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Psyches and Apocalyptic Thinking...

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This, to me at least, seems to be a really common theme amongst psychedelic users (and humanty at large guess). But I know personally have entertaned and wth much plausablity the end of days(daze) at the peak of my psychedelc use, and used to regale people wth messages of woe and doom- however, feel t may be a chemical reaction based on repeated induced trauma.

What do you thnk? Are we doomed? Or do we just think we are doomed?

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I think we are doomed in the traditional sense: soon our world will be very different from the way it has been. However, the past couple formative years have me thinking now that global nuclear war (or destruction of the kind) is not the end of ALL. And with the right perspective, we can learn to transcend attachment to mere physical things of value.

I've been worried about the apocalypse since I was a toddler.

Doomsday could feel like doom to those in fear, and it could feel like the opposite- a climax of love and consciousness to those open and balanced.

Just my two centiments.
 
I think that any time humans find themselves in the midst of a massive paradigm shift, our first reaction is to start thinking its (literally) the end of the world.
 
^Can you expand on the paradgm shft- I feel that lne of reasonng- that there will soon BE a paradym shft- is defntely related to the apocalyptyk feelngs expressed by peeps here...
 
Doomsday could feel like doom to those in fear, and it could feel like the opposite- a climax of love and consciousness to those open and balanced.

But what if ts nuclear war? How wll that be a clmax of love and concousness? (don't take that as dsmssve, eye is just curous- damn eYE NEED my eye key back)...
 
^Can you expand on the paradgm shft- I feel that lne of reasonng- that there will soon BE a paradym shft- is defntely related to the apocalyptyk feelngs expressed by peeps here...

Well if you look back at most classic apocalyptic writing, they seem to pop up during periods of large-scale social change. Typically there is some group at the center of the paradigm shift that is being persecuted, and they're usually the ones who start popping out the apocalyptic writings (like the Book of Revelations and the Domitian persecution). Since psychedelic-users are an actively persecuted minority, and earth at least seems to be currently on the edge of some type of world-wide awakening, its no wonder that psychedelic users are feeling kind of apocalyptic lately.
 
and earth at least seems to be currently on the edge of some type of world-wide awakening, its no wonder that psychedelic users are feeling kind of apocalyptic lately.

What do you mean? Not havyng a dyg there, I just wonder what your basng that on. If the world is wakng up- why do they kill each other everywhere all the tyme? I thnk in our PD bubble there is a massive conciousness of concousness, but elsewhere....I'm not sure....
 
Well, for me it had quite the opposite effect. Psychedelics have reinvigorated the optimistic part of me. I truly believe we all of a bright future ahead *in the long term*. There are a lot of things that have gone to shit in the world, but if you know your history (*all* of our history, from the very start), you can see a picture, and it's a good one. We're moving forward, as tough as it is to see when living in the moment. You have to appreciate it for something bigger than yourself, because we obviously won't have the happy ending in our lifetimes. It'll take many generations. Or it'll just get incrementally better till the end of time. Do your part as best you can to help move us forward.

To be blunt, I think it's an excuse not to do your part. I'm not saying you explicitly think of it that way, but just that it's easy for us to let ourselves move in that direction (it's certainly easy for me). The truth of the matter is that each of us can make a serious difference in this world. Historically things are moving in the right direction, but how things play out at this very moment, around you yourself, is all you have control of for now. Take your pick of how to live your life. I've chosen to be optimistic and do everything in my power to help people around me and be the best person that I can be. Hope everyone else tries the same, but if not, I won't let that bother me, knowing that in a (too long) amount of time, things will be better for everybody.
 
Amazing thread idea.

I feel psychedelics have got me thinking this way a lot. It's the expanded awareness of subconscious vibes of the world. I feel like we're on the edge of something and it could very well be apocalyptic or simply a massive population control event. The earth can't handle the population and we may kill ourselves with nuclear war. The ones that survive will be the ones to carry on the species or we may all die through making the planet completely uninhabitable until the earth enters a new age and new lifeforms take over.

Everything is in flux, death of species/ages and birth of new ones is going to happen.

I'll be straight up; I've started to prepare for it!

If nuclear war does break out it will be targeted at big cities. There is going to be a HUGE outflow of people from the cities into the countryside. Just trying to gather food and survive. I've got the structures and supplies ready to go for such an event. I know such thinking may be paranoid but hey, it's smart as fuck.

Better safe than sorry and all that stuff. I'm going to survive is my motto. Out here we'll also have a lot of visitors.

The one thing on my mind is that while I may have the means to survive independent of modern society I am rather low in elevation. Maybe a couple hundred feet above sea level. If the seas started to rise up really high, I'd have to evacuate from here and travel to higher ground.

I think that any time humans find themselves in the midst of a massive paradigm shift, our first reaction is to start thinking its (literally) the end of the world.

It's going to be the end of the world as we know it. Whether it's a positive shift or a negative one will be found out in time. Until then... better safe than sorry. :)
 
maybe....

does it really matter though?

Once you realize your own insignificance in this universe the other things kind of cease to matter....

We are more or less the same reprocessed matter that has existed since the beginning of time, and will continue to be so for the rest of time...Once we die, the world will still keep on rotating about the sun along with all the other planets in the middle of an average sized galaxy amongst more galaxies than out minds can comprehend, each with more stars than we can comprehend in rational thought....

The entire work of human history, if it all went away in a blink would anything really change in the grand workings of this universe.....

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An image of earth taken from the edge of space back in 1990 by voyager 1... That one little pale blue dot is what we know as home.... even if the world was destoryed, all that would change is this dot no longer being there....

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

--Carl Sagan
 
Good post, thanks for that quote. That's really beautiful.


Once we die, the world will still keep on rotating about the sun along with all the other planets in the middle of an average sized galaxy amongst more galaxies than out minds can comprehend, each with more stars than we can comprehend in rational thought....

If we die it really doesn't matter int he grand scheme of the universe. It only matters to our life loving egos.

It doesn't matter if we live or die but it sure matters to us. I don't want to die and will do everything possible (and impossible ;)) to prevent that from happening to me or my loved ones.

So yeah, It doesn't matter but no one wants to die.
 
Good post, thanks for that quote. That's really beautiful.




If we die it really doesn't matter int he grand scheme of the universe. It only matters to our life loving egos.

It doesn't matter if we live or die but it sure matters to us. I don't want to die and will do everything possible (and impossible ;)) to prevent that from happening to me or my loved ones.

So yeah, It doesn't matter but no one wants to die.

to us it does matter, that i can agree with.... I pretty much just consider my death to be an inevitability, so when i die i have pretty much already come to terms that its going to happen, living without fear of death is a wonderful thing.... There is still a sense of self preservation, looking for death is a bad idea but so many people spend their entire lives living in fear and running away from it that they never really live, and then it catches up with them and they realize its all been a waste... I just want to look back on my life when its all over and think "its been a good ride, but its over" and i can be fine with that...
 
I'm not that big on survival. I mean, its cool and all, but its not really worth the effort to survive if the situation becomes all grim and hopeless. I guess I'm just kinda lazy LOL. :D
 
to us it does matter, that i can agree with.... I pretty much just consider my death to be an inevitability, so when i die i have pretty much already come to terms that its going to happen, living without fear of death is a wonderful thing.... There is still a sense of self preservation, looking for death is a bad idea but so many people spend their entire lives living in fear and running away from it that they never really live, and then it catches up with them and they realize its all been a waste... I just want to look back on my life when its all over and think "its been a good ride, but its over" and i can be fine with that...

I completely agree. I also don't really fear death. It's going to happen but I will try to extend my time here if I can.

I'm not that big on survival. I mean, its cool and all, but its not really worth the effort to survive if the situation becomes all grim and hopeless. I guess I'm just kinda lazy LOL. :D

But it's not grim and hopeless and I'm lazy as fuck too! :D

Actually I'm only lazy in things I don't actually like doing. I love working around the house on weekends. I just hate "working for someone else" jobs.

That's why in a way I'm kind of excited for it! It's going back to a tribal existence, living off the land, no more 9-5, capitalist, conformist horseshit.

I look forward to living with people in such a way. We can grow and hunt for food, have a comfy, warm spot to come home to and spend time with the family. We can gather together and form tribes. I quite like the sound of it. :)
 
^Well if there's ever an apocalypse I'll come chill with you up there in the woods bro, we can take mushrooms and play drums made out of gords and animal skins. :D
 
Awesome man! :D

If there's one thing we don't have here it would be psilocybe mushrooms. Absolutely none here. We could stockpile some spores and cultivate them on dung and straw.

My plan in my continued preparation is gathering a seed cache for many psychedelic and food bearing plants. Cannabis is already well covered. :D

Growing cacti would be tricky but if it was kept above zero in the winter by keeping it on a windowsill it might work. The thing is if you leave for more than a day the woodstove goes out and the temperature becomes whatever it is outside.

Of course there will always be travel. We can take journeys to other areas and exchange wares that one party has the means to produce but the other doesn't and vice versa :)
 
Amazing thread idea.

I feel psychedelics have got me thinking this way a lot. It's the expanded awareness of subconscious vibes of the world. I feel like we're on the edge of something and it could very well be apocalyptic or simply a massive population control event. The earth can't handle the population and we may kill ourselves with nuclear war. The ones that survive will be the ones to carry on the species or we may all die through making the planet completely uninhabitable until the earth enters a new age and new lifeforms take over.

Everything is in flux, death of species/ages and birth of new ones is going to happen.

I tend to agree with uniter here.

Psychedelics allowed me to view absolutely everything in cycles, birth-existence-death-rebirth which can be applied to virtually anything.. i feel as though we will at some point descend into chaos experiencing a total collapse of structure, death and carnage, only to re-emerge understanding more about ourselves or a completely new species all together assuming we cause our own extinction.

I like to compare it to the process of a trip. As you start to come up you notice the little changes in your perception, you enter to peak and begin to realize reality is not all that it seems but you accept it anyway and go along with it.. changes start to become more intense and you start to see this accepted reality shatter and shred away.. panic starts to set in as you approach an overwhelming feeling of 'the end'.. as you approach it you descend into chaos/destruction of yourself only to reemerge with a heightened sense of knowledge.

I feel as though the universe is made up this single entire cycle, formed by smaller versions of the same cycles over a extended period of time all moving towards a collective united consciousness.


"We are part and parcel of a single and all-encompassing evolutionary current that is itself Spirit-in-action, the mode and manner of Spirit's creation, and thus is always going beyond what went before--that leaps, not crawls, to new plateaus of truth, only to leap again, dying and being reborn with each new quantum lurch, often stumbling and bruising its metaphyscical knees, yet always getting right back up and jumping yet again." - Ken Wilber

I hope some of that made sense, my mind is a bit sleep deprived and scattered.. :\
 
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maybe....

does it really matter though?

Once you realize your own insignificance in this universe the other things kind of cease to matter....

We are more or less the same reprocessed matter that has existed since the beginning of time, and will continue to be so for the rest of time...Once we die, the world will still keep on rotating about the sun along with all the other planets in the middle of an average sized galaxy amongst more galaxies than out minds can comprehend, each with more stars than we can comprehend in rational thought....

The entire work of human history, if it all went away in a blink would anything really change in the grand workings of this universe.....



An image of earth taken from the edge of space back in 1990 by voyager 1... That one little pale blue dot is what we know as home.... even if the world was destoryed, all that would change is this dot no longer being there....



--Carl Sagan
My sentiments exactly..
 
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