psychedelics worse than alcohol/glue?

[TheMadHatter]

I've been considering the trend that seasoned drug users/literary figures germinate in regards to the zero hour of curious betterment. john lennon, hunter s., ken kesey, and countless interchangeable ancestors sporadically used actual drugs before their mid 20s. it is known that hunter's floozy was booze, the beatles sold out on whizz, and welsh monkeyed with glue; but none of them tried psychedelics until they'd indoctrinated a youth and lost their own.

I'm 17, and my experienced past is mainly with alcohol which evaporated after 5 or 6 wasted fridays at 16-17. i've tripped on lsa once, ayahuasca twice, and mescaline recently (400 mg). i have also used lorazepam/diazepam in the climate of 15 streams over the last year, and have cropped my share of red chinese opium/painkillers.

I have never smoked pot and my drug of choice/mistress drug of choice are not clinically neurotoxic. in your opinion would drinking every weekend or playing wide awake shows with my beetles have been gentler on my mind? do pesticides like mescaline and ayahuasca make glutamine receptors ingrown if dusted at 17? i know my beat is different than yours but after the repercussion, has my skin been punctured? am i softer than the alcoholic drummer (not lars ulrich)?

 

[ChasingTheCat]

My advice is to stay away from mercury

 

[Mjäll]

That's some funk right there.

 

[Delta-9-THC]

I hope this is a troll.

 

[Solipsis]

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Dude, tell us why are you obsessing so much over brain damage?

 

[Mjäll]

I hope this is a troll.

Not a troll, just a brilliant mind on vacation, it seems

 

[Roger&Me]

Softer than the alcoholic drummer indeed, friend.

 

[jamaica0535]

Ipesticides like mescaline and ayahuasca make glutamine receptors ingrown if dusted at 17? i know my beat is different than yours but after the repercussion, has my skin been punctured? am i softer than the alcoholic drummer (not lars ulrich)?

uhh... what?

mescaline and aya are not pesticides....

MAOIs can be kind of toxic if you don't follow the correct diet in the week or two leading up to the experience....

Mescaline is just a naturally occuring phenethylamine in certain species of cacti....

Alcohol is far more harmful on the body than mescaline in my mind.... hufing glue is just fucking retarded....

It seems like you have done a bit of brain damage already.....

 

[Immunity]

Fascinating.

 

[MistaJeff]

The reason that John Lennon and Hunter S. Thompson never tried psychedelic until they were older is because they are (were) really old. Up until the mid or late 60's psychedelic drugs were not widely available to people in European countries or America. I cant discern the rest of your post.

 

[PepperSocks]

Mescaline is just a naturally occuring phenethylamine in certain species of cacti....

Fixored

Alcohol and mescaline just cannot be compared; 2 very different chemicals that do extremely different things.

Inhalants are defnitely not good. They were actually the very first drug I recreationally consumed. When a curious kid wants to experience an altered state of conscioussness, doesn't really know much about drugs, definitely can't obtain any decent ones, and realizes inhalants will provide an altered state and are as a available as candy; stuff is unfortunately going to get sniffed.

 

[any major dude]

does the OP mean that perhaps agricultural toxins could be present in things like cacti & ayahuasca? I would think of course, since most plants tend to have varying levels of man made chemicals in them, depending on their location obviously.

 

[Ismene]

Beam me up Scotty.

 

[ChasingTheCat]

does the OP mean that perhaps agricultural toxins could be present in things like cacti & ayahuasca? I would think of course, since most plants tend to have varying levels of man made chemicals in them, depending on their location obviously.

He should be more worried by (agricultural) toxins in edibles.

 

[swilow]

does the OP mean that perhaps agricultural toxins could be present in things like cacti & ayahuasca? I would think of course, since most plants tend to have varying levels of man made chemicals in them, depending on their location obviously.

I think he is referring to the idea that psychedelic substances are in various plants as a form of protection from predators/insects and the like. Besides that, I have no fucking clue :D

 

[Immunity]

I think he is referring to the idea that psychedelic substances are in various plants as a form of protection from predators/insects and the like. Besides that, I have no fucking clue :D

That's what I figured as well. As for the rest of it, I can only guess. 8)

 

[Solipsis]

What you need to know is that most psychedelics, especially the classic ones like mescaline, are not bad for your receptors, brain in general or even body in general. It can make you use up lots of energy in a session but you will definitely be all right.
Alcohol is a pretty heavy drug even though many people don't realize this (one of the reasons being its legality), its bad for your brain and liver - for starters.
Painkillers as in opiates mess up your pain receptors over time so that only pain killers can fit in them and not the endorphins which are the natural pain killers in your body. So if you overdo it you will become physically dependant and withdrawals will be equal to going through very bad aching during the time your receptors are readjusting to your endorphins.
And yeah glue is just terribly unhealthy.

Please next time try to make your point a little more clear or stick around to elaborate. If you want to get more specific and have a question we can all actually discern I invite you to start a new thread. Otherwise don't.

See you Mr. Hatter
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Cryptic, yes. Troll, unlikely.

I like your style, but these are complex questions and you're less likely to get straightforward answers if you leave statements open to interpretation.

Opiates may not be neurotoxic, but they are much more likely to result in addiction and death when compared to classic psychedelics. And while there is no direct evidence AFAIK for neurotoxicity of tryptamines or phenethylamines, it's clear that they can cause lasting changes in neuronal function, as measured by quantitative EEG. Whether this constitutes neurotoxicity is unclear. My only recommendation is to avoid weekly use of any powerful drug. Playing with your beetles once a month or so appears to leave the brain intact at least from a macroscopic perspective.

There is plenty of information on BL regarding these topics if you dig a little.