Psychedelics Redose Timing

[Zalo]

Hey BlueLight,

I have a question about re-dosing 2C-B and LSD, so I figured I'd just make a thread for all psychedelics.

I'm wondering what the window of opportunity is for 2C-B and LSD so that when you re-dose it strengthens the trip instead of prolonging a mild trip. I'd like to test the cross-tolerance between these two drugs, 2C-B one day then LSD the next. When I do LSD the day after I want to dose slightly higher than I normally would, but if it's not enough I want to know how much time I have before I can no longer re-dose.

There's a festival coming up in two weeks so I don't have enough time to test this before without building up tolerance. I want to enjoy the festival, but I know that if my LSD trip is sub par then I'll be rather disappointed.

Thank you.

 

[psood0nym]

^With LSD, you should re-dose within an hour of first alerts, which usually begin within 15 - 30 minutes after first dosing. I don't have experience re-dosing 2C-B like this, but due to its faster onset and plateauing I'd say to get the most out of it you'll want to re-dose within 30 minutes of first alerts. For anybody else reading this, if it's your first time with either substance I can't recommend re-dosing this early. You need to have a good feel for predicting where you'll be plateauing based on your projection of the onset trajectory for any compound before early re-dosing becomes advisable. With very fast-onsetting psychedelics like intramuscular DPT, even redosing just 15 minutes later qualitatively reduces the trip relative to taking it all at once. I think it becomes more important to re-dose quickly the shorter the onset and duration of the psychedelic is.

Since it's still two weeks ahead of time you could probably test the 2C-B at a low dose now without risking too much physiological tolerance (more than most popular tryptamines and phenethlyamines, LSD seems to develop and effect long lasting cross-tolerance to other 5-HT psychedelics, so I think you're right about not taking the LSD now). Definitely take the 2C-B on the first day rather than the LSD.

 

[itsALLfake]

2 weeks is plenty of time to test out response curves of both. I haven't done this with 2C-B, but I've re-dosed in all sorts of time frames for LSD, and I've had a few occasions with 2CI, DOI, 2CE with rather random dosing times, but it's kinda useless for you. It was too long ago, and they were all too speratic to really give you a close estimate.

I've had many occasions of taking LSD without many day(s) separating the experiences. I've never noticed any tolerance build up, with exception of dosing within a day of taking LSD. The general rule of thumb with LSD is three days. I don't know how concrete that is. It may have come from the fact that Hoffman had an "accidental" dose on the 16th, and he took it intentionally on the 19th of April, but that is pure speculation.

The only good general rule of thumb I've found with LSD is if you're not to where you want to be after you've plateaued, double up with your dose. If you just try to take the same amount, it really just prolongs what you're already experiencing, as long as the blotter you're taking is evenly laid. If you had a friend that just laid a vial themselves on blotter for easier distribution, be wary about this. You may get more than you bargained for by doubling up if this is the case, but you'll come down and be okay.

 

[Reverend Random]

^That is pretty unhelpful advice, as the OP specifically asks for when redosing intensifies the experience instead of prolonging it.

I think ps00donym is generally right, but I would aim at redosing as soon as you've reached the plateau. Meaning that as soon as you realize that you're tripping and you're not coming up any more (and thus aren't in that twilight zone between sober and psychedelicized any longer), that's when redosing has maximum effects in terms of strength of the trip.

I've tried and tested this with mushrooms and from experience I can tell you that you really shouldn't wait too long after you hit the plateau.

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

Well, in an optimal controlled environment the above answers or before the first dose stops peaking however id say for festivals the focus is not the trip. obsessing over it will be pointless. just take whatevrr u want whenever you feel like it. just not like 8 hours in or something

 

[my3rdeye]

I've had many occasions of taking LSD without many day(s) separating the experiences. I've never noticed any tolerance build up, with exception of dosing within a day of taking LSD. The general rule of thumb with LSD is three days. I don't know how concrete that is. .

Yeah I find as long as its not the next day the tolerance isn't that noticeable. Like its good to wait a week or two but you will still trip if you wait a day between trips.

I took an extra half hit at 4 hour point yesterday I felt it was kind of a waste, but its hard to tell. Its lasted a bit longer I guess. It didn't increase the intensity noticeably. I would take it all at once for maximum effect or not much past an hour in for a slightly lessened effect. I have tried re-dosing at end of trip and got nothing. So its pretty clear it is sliding scale of usefulness.

 

[shanemacbike]

Well folks, Iv managed to become acquainted with a producer and distributor of some very pure elle-esse-dee-25 so Iv stocked up on a bit. Iv been using it with a few weeks now to work through some physical problems which have plagued me with years, physical problems which Im now coming to believe I have manifested into existence through my thought processes. Im using this LSD to try rewire my thought processes and rid myself of this physical ailment. I should mention that the physical problem Im working through, is a benign heart condition. I get PVCs and PACs on a regular enough basis and a good dose of LSD triggers them with a vengence. Now Im under the belief that LSD is a drug in the area of mind manifestation with very minimal physiological side effect, so I now really am convinced that it was just my personal circumstances and lifetime thought processes that manifested this annoying ailment into my biology. Anyway Im way off point here lol Im writing here because about 9 hours ago I ingested 600ug and had the most intense, uncomfortable, introspective voyage deep inside my innerworkings. Anyways i was near 100% back to percieving 'reality'in the most boring and basic version. Now Im well aware of the necessity to double up for the same effect. So the voyager, and perhaps the reckless teenager that still dwells within, decided to triple up. Iv taken what I believe to be in the vicinity of 2400ug about an hour ago, and as I type here its all coming apart at the seams, so Im going to retreat to a dark room for a while and see where this takes me and Ill report back when I can