Psychedelics directly lead to an ability to manipulate collectively perceived reality

[Xorkoth]

Scientific consensus, and what limited evidence we have, suggests otherwise.

One new survey's initial results is hardly proof one way or the other, they even said at the end of the article that their results may be contradicted by a future, even larger survey.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^Hence "suggests" rather than "proves" or somesuch term. And since we're not highly specialized physicists, what do our resident supporters of fractal cosmology theory have to justify their viewpoint, besides that they saw it while high (and why would this realization be given credence over the myriad humbug realizations)?

 

[Xorkoth]

I feel like with something as massive as the nature of reality itself, the science is only just beginning to scratch the surface of the subject at all. Anything is possible. Personally I believe that the universe is a fractal, I feel that I have had genuine insights into the matter. It's possible I am deluding myself, however that's what I'm going to believe until a day comes along when we have a much more complete area of study about the macro-universe and the picture developed contradicts it.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

By "the reality of it is probably a lot more mundane and a lot more funny" do you mean it's just some guy wearing sunglasses looking out the corner of his eye at someone (without them noticing), then instantly making them move because of a metaphysical projected thought? Or that it's some silly, laughable mistake others have made? Man... I don't think so...

Magick, as you call it, is often indeed hypnosis. In fact it normally works best that way and is impossible to do without meditation (similar to hypnosis). I had to meditate (and I've been doing it a long time, I meditated for over 12 hours once doing nothing but drinking water and trying to keep a clear mind, suddenly I saw this bright white light of awareness coming toward me that scared me so much I was instantly jumped out of the peaceful meditation with an adrenaline shock.



Oh yes, it is. Maybe the universe will have things flow to a point where doing this is not the place I should be in my life right now. Or perhaps people's minds aren't ready for it, maybe my mind isn't ready for it. All these religious systems / prophits / metaphysical beings, if you even believe in them, were designed for people in their own place in time, to help develop collective universal consciousness, by what I call "source" (you can use "the universe", whatever makes sense to you). Maybe doing what I know I can do is something that people are not ready for. It might cause mass chaos. Maybe the CIA would arrest me and do studies on me the rest of my life, so there's another reason it might not happen. But tonight, something happened in favor of this. But you cannot deny that humanity is evolving and that there is "something" causing the upswing.

You clearly have a shrunken ego from your using psychotropics (A++ btw for doing that for so long, try higher dosages of the psychs, one time I took 8mg of LSD-25 (MG's, not micrograms and it changed me for ever - again 8,000mcg's. <no that is not a product review for Ballz, I report all people asking me or anyone for sources>) and sure, I can abandon it (publicly) like it's meaningless.

But I was tripping so hard that I could only hear, see and feel myself as a ball of energy - I was surrounded by people's barriers and my friends and couldn't even preceive myself 'walking' or tell what people were who. I almost called an ambulance, but then remembered that the only recorded LSD overdose was a guy who SLAMMED 10,000mcg's. So oral dose of 8mg should be pushing it, but safe enough. Maybe some of you should try it, I hear there are 730mcg blotters going around (this is not source discussion), take ten of those babies (and no mods, that is not a dangerous recomendation), manage yourself, be with loving friends who care about you, see who you are forever afterwards. My family did not know who I was and I have never changed back. I don't give a fuck about money really and see the way society functions as a complete joke, it's annoying.

Anywho, we'll see how this turns out.

Hmmm, just read about the OP admitting to blatantly lying about the LSD usage. Now that I realize the situation, I see no point in trying to inform a crazy person that they are crazy.
To the OP good luck, and I really hope you get some quality professional help. I'm very sorry if I seemed argumentative. I wish you the best in life and I hope your able to find some balance.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

I feel like with something as massive as the nature of reality itself, the science is only just beginning to scratch the surface of the subject at all. Anything is possible. Personally I believe that the universe is a fractal, I feel that I have had genuine insights into the matter. It's possible I am deluding myself, however that's what I'm going to believe until a day comes along when we have a much more complete area of study about the macro-universe and the picture developed contradicts it.

We are all deluding ourselves, even the vet best scientific minds. We will always be deluding ourselves no matter what until we perfectly understand the nature of everything. All we can hope for is take the best information that's currently available and look at it as objectively as possible.
There was a time when the greatest scientific minds believed that earth was flat. Even the sacrosanct laws of science are only as true as long as our worldviews and understanding of them does evolve past current scientific understanding. This is why it's so important to remain a partial skeptic about everything. Nothing is 100% true, all things are 100% permissible depending on the circumstances.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

metaphysical
deluding

Metaphysical does not mean paranormal.

(from Encyclopædia Britannica) "Delusion...a rigid system of beliefs with which a person is preoccupied and to which the person firmly holds, despite the logical absurdity of the beliefs and a lack of supporting evidence. "

There was a time when the greatest scientific minds believed that earth was flat.

Science as we know it has only been around for a few centuries. See: modern science/the scientific revolution.

Nothing is 100% true

In that case, classical logic is completely invalid.

Or I might retort, "1 = 1"

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

Metaphysical does not mean paranormal.

(from Encyclopædia Britannica) "Delusion...a rigid system of beliefs with which a person is preoccupied and to which the person firmly holds, despite the logical absurdity of the beliefs and a lack of supporting evidence. "



Science as we know it has only been around for a few centuries. See: modern science/the scientific revolution.



In that case, classical logic is completely invalid.

Or I might retort, "1 = 1"

I never attempted to define metaphysics or the paranormal. Nor do I consider what most people consider to be paranormal to be anything other than normal. It's just our understanding of the subject that makes anything seem "paranormal" - and I believe a lot of "paranormal phenomenon" is nothing short of people not understanding what they are experiencing and simply filling in the gaps as best they can usually with their imagination.
My remark about the earth being flat was only to illistrate that science of any age including present day has not figured everything out and it is very possible that as our knowledge and understanding of everything changes so might our ideas about anything. No matter how sure we are about even the most basic science. As the model increases so does our perspective and our understanding.
The reason nothing is 100% true is because everything is in a state of change, nothing is static. Everything moves through time and is affected by it. Everything that exists is subject to constant change.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

As far as the flat earth thing goes, like you just said, "As the model increases so does our perspective and our understanding. " It's ridiculous to compare theories derived from common sense with those based off of quantifiable, empirical data obtained from observation and experimentation (experimentation that must be reproducible. Ya'know, peer review and stuff).

I mean, we really have to know quite a bit to pull off something like this.

our knowledge and understanding of everything changes

Lots of everythings and nothings in this thread, those are dangerous words. Are we suddenly going to discover that terrestrial life is xenon based rather than carbon based?

I never attempted to define metaphysics.

Your statements did so implicitly:

I study and practice magick. I'm not a scientific fundamentalist. I am a believer in the metaphysical...... no way to really prove the metaphysical or the mundane

I heartily recommend spending more time defining things. Looking up definitions, and doing some cursory reading to be sure that whomever I am disagreeing with doesn't know what they're talking, and confirming that my statements aren't equally confused, has taken up the bulk of my time in this thread. The amount of time spent actually composing my posts is meager by comparison.

This is why it's so important to remain a partial skeptic about everything

Skepticism is indeed important. I always try to be skeptical of my thoughts and beliefs, the experts usually know better, and I'm wrong as often as not even in disputes among peers. I try to apply that same skepticism towards competing theories. You know how the saying goes, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

OP should stop eating acid and start eating risperidone imho

Upon further review, I see that low dose riperidone can attenuate aberrant salience. The OP could benefit from it, if it were to be coupled with a serious effort to correct inaccurate thoughts/beliefs.

Guys, I can do this. But not on video. Magazine publishing only, people aren't ready for this yet to be shown on TV.

Have you heard of anosognosia? Thanks for the laugh.

Have a job, have decent interpersonal relationships, relatively happy

Well then, you're socially functional and don't need psychiatric help. However, taking a nice long vacation from psychedelics/cannabis/dissociatives (heck, drugs in general if you can) might be helpful. Also, you use a lot of post-graduate-level jargon while displaying a less-than-junior-high-school-level understanding of the sciences, please get back to the basics and learn how to learn how the world works.

irradiating sort of "magnetic" looking field

Alright, this is beyond me, we covered magnetism in my intro physics course way back when, and let me be honest, I learned nothing in that class. Physics is hard (didn't help that I hadn't taken calc yet, so my willpower was broken by the time we finished Newtonian mechanics, plus I'm a slacker on my best days).

When I have a glaring lack of knowledge (as I often do), I look things up before posting, and try not to say anything complicated that I cannot find a good citation for. It tricks a lot of people into thinking that I'm intelligent.

my aura is a vibrant green

Your aura reflects EM radiation with a wavelength of 595-570nm and a frequency of 508-526THz? If not, then why do you perceive it as a color, as visual data? Why can't you hear or smell an aura instead?

Personally I believe that the universe is a fractal, I feel that I have had genuine insights into the matter

Can you do me a favor and prefer/like/be drawn to fractal cosmology, rather than believe it? If not, then whatevs.

 

[《Plasticity》]

I feel like with something as massive as the nature of reality itself, the science is only just beginning to scratch the surface of the subject at all. Anything is possible. Personally I believe that the universe is a fractal, I feel that I have had genuine insights into the matter. It's possible I am deluding myself, however that's what I'm going to believe until a day comes along when we have a much more complete area of study about the macro-universe and the picture developed contradicts it.

Couldn't have said it any better, the fact is we don't know SHIT about the universe so I keep a very open mind to alot of things but the nature of the universe most. Wasn't there a study claiming that reality is likely just a simulation and what we see isn't what's really going on? Either way when it comes to everything I think anything is possible. I definately believe in extraterestrials and spirits. While I haven't seen a UFO to think that we are the ony intellegent species is absurd.

What if beyond a black hole lies a solar system with no worry of asteroids and other devastating natural disasters and their in lies a species that's been around for millions of years, you think they wouldn't have the technology to travel through dimensions? I mean look how far we've come over the last 100yrs, imagine a society that's been around for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years thriving with an ever evolving species and the amount of possible knowledge they may have... Also while I believe most UFO abductions are sleep paralysis or very vivid dreams, people have had implants removed from them that comprised of metals that don't exist on earth. Life is fucking crazy, no amount of science can explain what we don't know so I believe ANYTHINGS possible.

Neverknowsbest I've neved attended spacewalk, if you don't mind me asking what city are you from? You don't need to answer if that's too personal...

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Neverknowsbest I've neved attended spacewalk, if you don't mind me asking what city are you from? You don't need to answer if that's too personal...

One of the little suburban cities near where the Los Angeles and San Bernardino counties meet. Not Pomona, but in that area.

It's a really cool event, I'd check it out this year. Had you gone last time, I was gonna say you probably saw me, the way overdressed guy nursing a bottle of Jim Beam whenever he thought no one was looking. I totally remember most of it. >_>

 

[DoctorSativa]

Truth is, we don't even use 20% of our brain's full potential. Prolonged drug use of certain substances (namely psychedelics) can allow us to increase brain power by a smidgen; I'd say about 5% at the most. However, that 5% makes a remarkable difference. Alluding to the OP, it allows us to manipulate perception to a certain extent. Fact of the matter is, our brains aren't programmed to perceive full blown reality. As it is, what we think is "reality" right now, actually isn't. It's more or less a severely dumbed down version of it. We don't (or will never) have the capabilities of perceiving what actual reality is. Our brain or bodies physically and psychologically cannot handle the intensity of it. Bare in mind that only a handful of individuals will actually understand what I am talking about. If you're scratching your head with a baffled expression on your face while reading this, then I'm sorry to say you're living an intellectually inferior life.

Hey, I totally dig what you are talking about! Dude, you totally put my thoughts into words right there. Thank you.

 

[DoctorSativa]

One of the little suburban cities near where the Los Angeles and San Bernardino counties meet. Not Pomona, but in that area.

It's been so fucking dry this year

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^I know, and I'm very fond of the rain. C'est la vie.

Good evening, well, morning at this point~

 

[swilow]

Truth is, we don't even use 20% of our brain's full potential. Prolonged drug use of certain substances (namely psychedelics) can allow us to increase brain power by a smidgen; I'd say about 5% at the most. However, that 5% makes a remarkable difference. Alluding to the OP, it allows us to manipulate perception to a certain extent. Fact of the matter is, our brains aren't programmed to perceive full blown reality. As it is, what we think is "reality" right now, actually isn't. It's more or less a severely dumbed down version of it. We don't (or will never) have the capabilities of perceiving what actual reality is. Our brain or bodies physically and psychologically cannot handle the intensity of it. Bare in mind that only a handful of individuals will actually understand what I am talking about. If you're scratching your head with a baffled expression on your face while reading this, then I'm sorry to say you're living an intellectually inferior life.

Its odd to say that, due to our physical construction, that we experience a "dumbed down" version of reality. How can you know? You have already eliminated the possibility of ever knowing true reality based on flaws in our own hardware.

The illusion of self is the thing which makes us believe, mistakenly perhaps, to have an actual life, separate from the rest of the entire universe.

Reality isn't even real! :D

 

[《Plasticity》]

One of the little suburban cities near where the Los Angeles and San Bernardino counties meet. Not Pomona, but in that area.

It's a really cool event, I'd check it out this year. Had you gone last time, I was gonna say you probably saw me, the way overdressed guy nursing a bottle of Jim Beam whenever he thought no one was looking. I totally remember most of it. >_>

So what is it? That site you linked doesn't explain much besides the fact that I called it spacewalk instead of soundwalk lol... Anyways if I check it out I'll shoot you a PM, share a joint or two....

Btw, did you guys feel yesterdays (well 2 days ago) earthquake? I'm paranoid about another earthquake the size of the 94 earthquake

 

[Flickering]

Some very cool replies to this thread.

Everything DoctorSatvia has claimed is falsifiable, and hence scientifically testable. I have no problem with anything he's said and wish him luck. I don't believe any of his claims are correct, but as others have pointed out, it's a big universe... who knows. And besides, it would be pretty cool.

DoctorSatvia, I think it's a brave person who puts his/her money where his/her mouth is. Take heed, others have done the same, and I mean it with compassion when I say you should be prepared for the possibility that you were wrong. You are talking about a lot of drugs. But, genuinely, best of luck.

 

[Xorkoth]

Lots of everythings and nothings in this thread, those are dangerous words. Are we suddenly going to discover that terrestrial life is xenon based rather than carbon based?

No, probably not that one, but I think it's fully feasible that we could come to understand that some of the basic things we know about space and the structure of the universe could be entirely misunderstood and misinterpreted. Everything we know about the universe outside of Earth is understood nearly 100% through what we read in the light from them, we've never been there except to the planets in our solar system, and we've only landed on the inner planets. I think the most intelligent response to that is to take it all with a grain of salt and realize we could be way off.

 

[Nemodeus]

After years of...

I too have spent a great deal of time meditating with various entheogens in search of arcane knowledge. I myself have experienced much of the same type of reality manipulation you speak of.

I wrote this down one night after some deep meditation with shrooms because I didn't want to forget it. My goal that night was the search for the meaning of life, who we are, why we exist, why reality exitsts.

In an entheogen influenced moment of clarity I came to understand that reality manifests as a dream from the collective subconscious minds of all conscious entities. Nothingness made something because we collectively believe it into being, and physical laws given power by the reinforcement of conscious observation. Creation, destruction, and even time itself are but an aspect of ourselves and we of them. Life and death, simply illusions we face from a limited grasp of our own existence. We are one, all is eternal.

Its my belief that this describes why we are never able to prove higher abilities in a scrutinizing setting.

I interpret it like this...

A dream is like your own personal reality, where you alone have complete control of everything and anything within if you have enough discipline to realize your are dreaming (lucid dreaming) and focus your thoughts. Dreams are temporary though, merely a practice ground if you will, and often unstable because it is only one entity (you) creating/destroying/manipulating everything.

This reality is essentially a dream, except controlled by the collective of all participants. Say I try to levitate, spectators believe I cant, there are more of them than there are of me, therefore I cant. They observe me fail, reinforcing the belief in gravity. A spectator does not necessarily have to be in the same time and place so video recordings are useless in this regard.

I believe this is the origin of religion. Getting a collective of participants together all synchronizing their beliefs to achieve an otherwise impossible goal of altering the collective reality.

 

[Xorkoth]

Insightful, thanks for that.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

So what is it? That site you linked doesn't explain much besides the fact that I called it spacewalk instead of soundwalk lol

Well, it's a real piece of California gold.

that some of the basic things we know about space and the structure of the universe could be entirely misunderstood and misinterpreted

Yes, our suppositions about the far-out/abstruse are frequently revised. Now that we have both accepted this statement, we have to determine what it means.

To me, it looks like the 'anything is possible' faction in this thread is assuming that imperfect knowledge lets them treat folklore, and the rational conjecture of a body of experts, with equal weight. Why do you think y'all keep on saying the above, yet fail to make to name a single piece of theory that likely falls into this category, and how prospective changes to said theory will affect our broader understanding of the universe? I surmise that this is because you guys don't actually care about the rigorousness of theoretical physics and cosmology, y'all are just looking for an excuse to discard methodological materialism, which you have conflated with ontological materialism.

Now that you guys know what I've been seeing, I'd appreciate it if you filled me in on what you think is going on in this thread.

This reality is essentially a dream, except controlled by the collective of all participants. Say I try to levitate, spectators believe I cant, there are more of them than there are of me, therefore I cant. They observe me fail, reinforcing the belief in gravity. A spectator does not necessarily have to be in the same time and place so video recordings are useless in this regard.

While the reality vs dream comparison is interesting if we're talking about the nature of consciousness or something like that, it is not applicable in this situation. In a dream, you are dealing with the imaginary, whereas reality is objective. Here's an introduction to the five senses, it'll blow your mind.



Additionally, I see some more technobabble.