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Psychedelics and The Hero's Journey

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Hello PD. Just some stuff I've been thinking about:

First of all, if you don't know what the hero's journey is you should read up on it. It's basically a structure for writing, described by Joseph Campbell in his book The Hero With a Thousand Faces, in which he perceives that all great myths follow the same structure, and that they come from the same source: the collective unconscious. I find it strange that there isn't more discussion about this, or maybe I just haven't searched well enough. To me this structure is profound because, as you may be aware, it can absolutely be applied to any movie, book, or story that tells a narrative. Experimental films are a good example of something that actually strays from this structure, but they aren't very popular simply because of the fact that they stray from the only story that has any meaning to us. There are stories that differ from the monomyth to play with our expectations of it (see the coen brothers for example), and these are only effective because of the fact that the monomyth is so well established in our movies. My point is that when you break down any narrative story, that even most of the songs we listen to follow, some variation of the hero's journey structure is there.

This has been related to psychedelics by other people, but I've never seen it as more than slightly mentioned in most cases. To understand how psychedelics are related to the hero's journey, you only need to see this diagram:

http://i.imgur.com/wgJWm.jpg

I was sitting in my screenwriting class as my teacher described this structure, and I thought to myself, boy this sounds similar to a psychedelic trip. Then when I did the reading which my lazy ass should have done already, I see that The Writer's Journey mentions the idea that the structure comes out of the collective unconscious.

Indeed there is a strong connection between this story and our (collective?) subconscious as seen through the lens of the psychedelic experience. I remember reading a discussion on this board about describing the psychedelic experience to someone. There was this idea that I've heard elsewhere and that seems to strike a chord with psych users, and that is that the psychedelic experience is like life compacted into a few hours, or that life is just like the psychedelic experience slowed down. Which is a pretty damn good way of describing a structure for a movie (or any story). The stories we see and read in this culture everyday are just about someone's life but with time speed up.

And here's where I'll get crazy on you. I believe that the reason our culture feels the need to constantly watch, read, and listen to this story is because that's the closest thing that our society has to experiencing, what I might call spirituality. The difference is that in a psychedelic trip, we experience this story directly, while when hearing this story at church (the story of christ is one of the oldest versions of the monomyth), or in seeing this story at the movies, we experience it indirectly. The powers to be dangle it infront of us like a carrot, and, in the name of God, ban anything that might help us see that we're experiencing this story directly. So when science started to contradict religion and the story of christ became less believable, people began more and more to look for this experience else where, and that's why today most people sit infront of a Television every night after working a job that may feel meaningless in the grand scheme of the universe.

Of course that begs the question, what is the grand scheme of the universe anyways? Are psychedelics just another way of creating meaning in a meaningless existence? Filling the void so to speak. Maybe, but then again, perhaps the true meaning of our existence is merely the meaning we create ourselves, and I can't imagine that too many people are satisfied with the meaning that our society has created by spoon feeding everyone the monomyth.
 
I do agree that our modern society has become disengaged from the existing archetypes..
But maybe this isn't a bad thing.
These conceptual structures are of the old Times; they are products of the human animal's struggle for survival and stability in this world.

Yet, these days have become strange and wondrous.
We have entirely separate realities at the ends of our fingers, we build new worlds in virtual space that has no third-dimensional volume!
We live in our own little cosms, even if they encompass our entire realities.

I think these new Times are so special in so many stories because these are the Times that we can forge brand new archetypes that will shape the course of Consensus reality for the entire next cycle.

..Just my take ha. (:
 
the collective unconscious
I'm noticing this recurring theme with me and with others around here.

I find it quite fascinating. That super soul or all is one thing. I dunno if that's what you reference but that's what my mind seems to want to make of it.

I don't know. Tonight is a sleep night and I'm late for bed anyway. lol
 
Though, in validation, I did feel like I had to make the journey through my own head over the course of a few brutal psychedelic trips just to live in the right exactly now.. So maybe the journey is like the driveway and keys to your castle! And maybe we've all got to make the journey so that we can build our own personal worlds of ideal form.
 
I have two, polar opposite thoughts on this.

First, I ponder on the damage Joseph Campbell has done to the state of popular storytelling.

Second, I don't think Joseph Campbell is very accurate at all. If you're going to follow this road, by far the best approach is Kal Bashir's version of hero's journey, who is much deeper - his ideas of journey through a new world where you transform and the exact process of it around a cycle with examples of modern film are the intelligent user's guide.
 
I think these new Times are so special in so many stories because these are the Times that we can forge brand new archetypes that will shape the course of Consensus reality for the entire next cycle.

Yes that's a very interesting idea. While we live in an age where the monomyth seems to encompass everything, there is more variation to this story than there ever has been.

I'm noticing this recurring theme with me and with others around here.

I find it quite fascinating. That super soul or all is one thing. I dunno if that's what you reference but that's what my mind seems to want to make of it.

I don't know. Tonight is a sleep night and I'm late for bed anyway. lol

The idea of collective consciousness seems to be taking more and more ground in our society. In my opinion there is definitely something to it, and it's interesting that it's an idea that seems to resolve the conflict between science and spirituality.

I have two, polar opposite thoughts on this.

First, I ponder on the damage Joseph Campbell has done to the state of popular storytelling.

Second, I don't think Joseph Campbell is very accurate at all. If you're going to follow this road, by far the best approach is Kal Bashir's version of hero's journey, who is much deeper - his ideas of journey through a new world where you transform and the exact process of it around a cycle with examples of modern film are the intelligent user's guide.

I haven't heard of Kal Bashi, but I will be sure to check it out.
 
One of Campbell's contribution to relating the hero myth to psychedelics was his letures/writing on the ancient "Mystery School" religions (Mithra worship for one) in which initiates were given some psychedelic (I believe Huxlex wrote about this, the brew known as "Soma"), immersed in a darkened "theatre" of the mind including artworks, lighting effects, singers & musicians, and under the influence of the psychedelic MADE TO FEEL AS IF THEY THEMSELVES WERE THE HERO ON HIS JOURNEY, ATTAINING UNITY WITH THE GODS IN THE PROCESS... and emerging a transformed advocate of the worldview into which he was being initiated.
 
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