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Psychedelic Users and Opiates

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Ey All <3 I think this would be a wonderful place for psychedelic and opiate users to discuss their experiences, thoughts, philosophy's and current life situations regarding opiates, as it seems to be semi prevalent in our PD community. I would encourage even those who do not use opiates or psychedelics to discuss with us as well.

I wish strength to all those struggling with addiction. As our friend Youkai once said... "there is no time like the present to quit. seriously." (miss you Youkai hope that you are alive and well) <3
 
I had a somewhat scary acid trip this past August and I took some opiates to calm me down. Ever since then I've been a nearly daily opiate user and I am trying to quit because I've seen first hand just how desperate some people can get for that wonderfully awful molecule.
I just stick to pills as I feel like taking anything IV is crossing a line I'm not willing to cross. (I guess I'm a pussy in that regard) I am a low dose user, i.e. 5-10 mg of OC a day but occasionally I splurge I guess like everyone else.
Before this past August I was clean from them for 3 months. And when I was doing it it wasn't daily. A few years ago I was taking about 15-20 vicoden/percocet a day and had to go to rehab.
And Im up at 6 AM on a sunday exactly because my withdrawal symptoms aren't too bad, but still my sleep pattern is semi-fucked.

The next time I try acid, which I feel is going to be a while, I want to do it with no other drugs present and just do my own thing.

I still love shrooms though. I have never been bugged out by a shroom trip (except once in a concert parking lot in a ring of cars where people were selling Nitrous, the nitrous dealer looked like a demonic Silver Surfer, but it was awesome after I got the nitrous in me and felt like I was going in a time machine/hyperspace journey)

And I REALLY want to try Ibogaine.
 
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When it comes to psychedelics and opiates I feel almost as if they're a ying and yang to which I need to choose one side. And with those options I choose psychedelics and think of opiates as something that need to be gotten rid of. Psychedelics have made me realize myself from the inside and strive to flow outward in expression. They've made me realize that we suffer, we feel pain and misery and uncomfortable times in our life but all around change my outlook on certain pains/difficult moments in my life, because everything comes full circle. When I use psychedelics I use them as building blocks. It's the whole deal, for me they show me the beauty and the ugliness, they're extremely truthful.

Opiates I feel are temporary escapes and masks that people use to shut out. When they don't want to reach out anymore and simply would rather give up and in and shut out for a while. I can't see them ever helping anyone along on the big scale of things. And I've tried them and have tried to understand the high thoroughly and believe that I do. It's just not for me. It's not what I search for.


It feels hypocritical because I have used opiates before. And returned to them and have asked myself why am I returning to this? But given that, I guess the only thing I can say positive for them is that they showed me essentially "nothing to see here," and I've since moved on. Maybe I just have a different demeanor, maybe I'm just crazy? I live in an area that seems infested with opiate addicts and it's a struggle to be understood as a member of the psychedelic culture with all of this around me. And it's sort of something I hold dearly and enjoy representing. It could just be my area, as it is notorious for heroin use(NJ). But I'm sure every area has it's batches of opiate users.

Again, not to sound pompous or anything. I'm an open minded person and open to experimentation. It's just some things I've experimented with I've been able to see that there's nothing to work on with it and don't need it to get in my way or hinder me temporarily, as seducing as the mental escape can be. That's not what lifes about, for me.
 
^I know a lot of people where I live in the opiate scene in my town that are exactly what you describe.
The worst thing is they feel like they can't trip anymore. So they are totally shutting that out of their possibilities.
I told one of my friends who is particularly weak and "shut-in" about Ibogaine. And he totally shut the idea down merely because he "can't" trip.
I feel sorry for him, he used to be my drummer and best friend, now's he's just a weak little dickhead. He can't even smoke weed because of the panic attacks he gets that are rooted in his depression over the shitty direction he is steering his own life in.
Opiates make me sad.
 
It's interesting how opiates tend to go with many psychedelic users as well. For me and my current situation, I've taken a great love for the opiate (especially oxy) as they are merely the best drugs I can find right now. Psychedelics come in waves in my area, with the research chemical wave just drying up. I haven't found real LSD in what seems like forever.

I'm curious as to the experience you get on a psychedelic + opiate, as I've never gotten the chance to do it. I've heard many say there's no point, its not worth it etc. and that really you should only do it if the trips a bit too much. What are some of your experiences of dosing an opiate (preferably of your choice) a couple hours or so into the trip, not to kill it but to add to it and gain the opiate comfort and itches and all that fun stuff? I understand that it will probably take away from the trippiness, but if you do a good psychedelic dose and a good opiate dose is the experience ultimately good?
 
^The combo is pretty fun. I've had probably the best acid trip of my life with a 20 OC and 2 hits.
The time I was talking about earlier it felt like I needed the opiate just to keep from going crazy. This "craving" came after not doing opiates for like 3 months so it was weird. It wasn't the opiate I was craving, it was the fact that I wanted to "level" my head out a bit as I was feeling anxious. I had already downed half a bottle of vodka and some nyquil and benedryl that night trying to "end" the trip. The opiate seemed like the only drug available that was capable of helping me out. If I had a benzo available I would have taken that instead of all the other shit. It was a fucked up night no doubt. I haven't felt the same ever since. But that was the last time I really went overboard with drug use.

I've never done opiates with shrooms. I love shrooms by themselves.
 
I am struggling with opiate addiction right now. :(

Its really fucking my body up, I'm getting to the point where there's only two states of consciousness that I exist in: sick, or high.

I hate waking up feeling like crap, bones aching, nose running, eyes watering, back hurting, can't concentrate on anything, depressed and anxious. :( Then even after you brave the acute withdrawal, you still have weeks of boredom and depression that hover over you like a thick fog. When you're addicted to opiates, its SO HARD to see the light at the end of the tunnel-- because its a fucked-up tunnel of decrepit suffering and misery.

If you're reading this, and you're just starting to get involved with opiates: PLEASE stop now. Just walk away, find another way to get high; no matter how strong the illusion of control is with you, its still just an illusion. It will get you eventually, it happened to me and I thought it never would, I was stupid and I paid the price.

Sorry if I sound overly-dramatic or whatever, but its a pretty dramatic situation. :| The first time you wake up dopesick, shit gets dramatic pretty quickly.
 
I am struggling with opiate addiction right now. :(

Its really fucking my body up, I'm getting to the point where there's only two states of consciousness that I exist in: sick, or high.



Sorry if I sound overly-dramatic or whatever, but its a pretty dramatic situation. :| The first time you wake up dopesick, shit gets dramatic pretty quickly.

i feel you dude. you think you know how to handle opiates and you keep telling yourself that long after you get sick and shit. you just gotta grab yourself by the nuts and break the cycle of getting sick... getting high... nodding... coming down.. then needing to score more.

i once mixed oxycodone with 2cB... amazing euphoria with my trip. just great.
 
Yeah I'm getting off this shit ASAP for sure, I just have to stay well to take care of some important business on monday and tuesday, then I'm kicking again.

Kicking is the easy part though, its not relapsing after the acute withdrawal that's the really hard part. You're not sick anymore, but you feel depressed and anxious, and you have some extra money because you haven't used for a week or so while kicking, and its SO easy to call the dope man and get your dope or oxys or whatever.

I'm really serious about getting my life back on track, though, so I guess thats a plus. At this time last year, I was so full of love and light and the possibilities were endless. I need to kick opies fully, and even cut down on my massive intake of pot, and just get my head on straight. This fact is just SCREAMING in my face, like I can't ignore it anymore, if I keep going down this path I'll be in it too deep to get out.

I also desperately want to fully delve back into my psycho-spiritual entheogen-assisted musical journey, but I can't because of the opiates. I yearn for the state of cosmic ecstasy that comes from feeling good in general in life, then taking LSD and listening to amazing music. When I'm doing that, I feel like the universe is so complete and beautiful. Opiates are the opposite, they make me feel fractured and alone. I've gotta get back into balance; I know it will be a struggle at this point, but I guess thats just the way its going to be. I can't wait to be well again though, that will be a joyous day when I wake up feeling good again. :)

Once I feel well, I'm going to take some DOM, I have a dose sitting in my cupboard that's just waiting to be tested out, but I haven't had a chance yet. I think that will be a fine welcome-back to the psychedelic universe, after a hiatus thats been much too long. I also yearn for some DMT, I'm going to make it a goal of mine to procure some for christmas. Hopefully I'll be feeling well then, and I can blast back into psychedelia in style. %)

As you guys can see, I really want to be back to my old self (or I guess you could say, a new-and-improved self thats revisiting old interests with vigor). I guess that's a good thing, because a lot of people just don't want to quit opiates, but I really do want to quit-- I just have to stop getting dragged along on this freaky ride.
 
I used hydrocodone in small amounts (5-15mg) a few times, but I found it pretty boring overall. Sure, it was pleasant, but nothing spectacular. I combined it with cannabis and had a nice body high, but my mind felt essentially blank. Kratom was fun the three or four times I took it as a tea, but I don't have much desire to do it again.

Psychedelics, on the other hand, I use fairly regularly. :)
 
Roger&Me i know what you mean. its so hard to resist going back to them because you just miss the high so much. i hate the cravings and i try to get rid of them by smokin weed. doesnt help. (sorry off topic)
 
Well it's kind of hard to trick your body that it doesn't want opiates by smoking weed, especially if you are quite used to the good feeling from the combo of weed and opiates.
 
I was an opiate addict for a long portion of my life and honestly its just a waste of time. The more days you spend nodding off the more of your life you waste. Psychedelics are much different for me , they open me up as a person and help me evaluate my place in this world. They make me wanna go out and experience new things and allow me to better see the beauty that is already surrounding me

Opiates close your mind off to the world and Psychs can open it right back up again

Fuck Dope :p
 
I love the yin and yang analogy, I've thought the same thing.

I've had my amazing times with opiates, other times are pleasurable but just "meh". If one thing will ever pull me under, it would be using opiates because I'm "bored" or because I don't want to deal with a nagging something in my mind. So I fight off that urge haha.
 
Every experience i have had with strong opiates left me with a craving i know would get worse and worse the more i did them, so i try and keep my distance.

Ive seen one too many people in my life die from them.....

I hate funerals, but a high school full of oxy addicts and it had to happen to someone....
 
I tried hydrocodone, oxycodone, suboxone, methadone, and codeine in high school. It took me huge doses to nod off, natural tolerance I guess. That and the price of that stuff is the only thing that turned me off at the time, I'm glad I can see how addictive they are now.

Haven't done them since I was a kid (At which point I tried each of those listed once or twice), and I never plan on doing so. My life is fine without the extra euphoria opiates could add, they don't contain any long term wisdom or something I could look back on and smile.
 
Pyschedelics in the winter time, opiates in the summer time.

I generally stick to this routine, often unwittingly, and have done so for the past 4 years.

As has been mentioned previously, I too feel that there is somewhat a yin and yang feeling to psychedlics and opiates. I have heard good things about combinations involving the two, but personally I am hesitant to delve into that sort of thing (although poppy tea and psy.'s might be interesting). Personally I enjoy keeping the two separate.

Psychedelics in the Winter time are perfect for me, I enjoy tripping indoors and if I do decide to go out, I'm almost guaranteed to be left alone due to the cold and overall Wintery atmosphere. Not to mention that I actually have the option of being out during the day time. My eyes are sensitive to the sun sober and this is only complicated by chemically induced dilation. Colors are muted and the sky looks far lower than it should, but this leads to a more approachable (useful) experience that would be difficult to have during the Summer.

During the Summer, opiates are a perfect drug IMO. Great for socializing, beating the psychological effects of the heat, and nothing feels better than a cold swim on a hot day while high on opium.

I think it's important to have experiences of both on a yearly basis. Psychedelics help to remind you that being high can also be useful and instil profound states of deep thought/self-study. Opiates help to remind you what it's like to get high without having to think. And the cycle continues.
 
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