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Psychedelic experiences on non-psychedelics?

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I'm personally curious as I hear this a lot from people. For example "I took so many of those tramadols i was trippin..."

Do you believe you can achieve an experience deemable a trip or at least a psychedelic experience from no-psychedelics, for example benzodiazepines/opiates/stims etc. low/moderate/high dose, whatever..

Personally I'm on the fence. Ive definitely had some revelations if I'm highly faded, and even very dreamy almost dissociative experiences, but I don't know if I could call them psychedelic..
 
I've had friends who've smoked so much pot they've seen mild hallucinations and things that could qualify as being called 'a trip'
 
Rather than worrying about how to label and classify each drug experience, it's much more productive to look at the experience itself and decide how to apply the experience most productively to one's future actions and outlooks.

There is no one state of mind called 'tripping' that a drug either causes or doesn't. As more and more synthetic compounds are used and documented, it's becoming increasingly clear that any specific definition will run across a number of murky cases. Give me a specific list of effects that qualify a given drug experience as tripping or not and I'll name a compound that often doesn't meet the list and yet is widely considered to be a psychedelic. Much like the well known quote about porn: I can't define tripping, but I know it when I see it!
 
oxycodone has left me with slight visuals sometimes

weed can be extremely psychedelic
 
Weed can be very psychedelic, a very anxiogenic one at that. It's so much of a psychedelic in me that I don't even think it's relevant in this thread. In the same kind of category as MDMA producing psychedelic experiences.

Something I do find relevant to this thread; I have had psychedelic experiences on opiates. Specifically oxycodone a few years ago when I was scripted percs for a broken shoulder and wrist.

Those were some very magical and peaceful nights.
 
i have indeed had psychedelic effects from weed. starting psychology at uni this year, pretty excited. sorry to get off topic.
 
I have had psychedelic experiences without drugs at all.
Not a flashback, but a purposeful mental re-immersion in the psychedelic state after about 5 years without any tripping. I tried to re-create the beauty of LSD in my mind, and suddenly everything around me was glowing.
 
I believe most psychotropic drugs can be 'psychedelic'. The word 'psychedelic' has a puritanical reverance. However, through intense use it's meaning has broadened out to take on the description of anything entheogenic (becoming the divine), empathogenic (becoming the empathy), hallucinogenic (generating hallucination), dissociative (removing association between mind and body) and so on.

I would posit that when someone uses the term 'psychedelic', they are referring to any one or combinations of those descriptions, and therfore to focus on just the one (mind manifesting) is to neglect a whole array of experiences in mind relevant to the discussion. Probably, the term 'entheogenic' would be a greater, even broader one to apply to the forum discussions.

I have found many drugs not considered to be psychedelic, to produce effects of this kind.
 
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^ There is a difference between drugs that directly cause a psychedelic episode and those that might be involved in a psychedelic experience by pure accident. You could have such an experience without any drug at all.
 
Basically a full fledged trip in the mental sense, but besides brighter colors, no other signs of a psychedelic experience. I would go as far as calling d-amphetamine a definite psychedelic if only counting the headspace.
 
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