murphythecat
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nirvana is the cessation of the mind. I could describe it more, but its a good way to say it. its to eliminate all the reasons you have a mind. but saying it fast like that makes no sense, its just for conversation sake of course!
but yeah, nrvana is a concept, just like a apple is a concept. everything is always just a experience that defy language entirely. words never describes the truth of the simple taste of a apple.
heres a few quote:
Rupert Gethin: "Literally nirvāṇa means ‘blowing out’ or ‘extinguishing’ [...] What the Pali and Sanskrit expression primarily indicates is the event or process of the extinction of the ‘fires’ of greed, aversion, and delusion. At the moment the Buddha understood suffering, its arising, its cessation, and the path leading to its cessation, these fires were extinguished. This process is the same for all who reach awakening,[note 8] and the early texts term it either nirvāṇa or parinirvāṇa, the complete ‘blowing out’ or ‘extinguishing’ of the ‘fires’ of greed, aversion, and delusion. This is not a ‘thing’ but an event or experience.[16][note 9]
Paul Williams: "[Nirvana] means 'extinguishing', as in 'the extinguishing of a flame', and it signifies soteriologically the complete extinguishing of greed, hatred, and fundamentally delusion (i.e. ignorance), the forces which power samsara."[25]
Paul Williams: "Nirvana is broadly speaking the result of letting-go, letting-go the very forces of craving which power continued experiences of pleasure and inevitably suffering throughout this life, death, rebirth, and redeath. That, in a nutshell, is what nirvana is. It is the complete and permanent cessation of samsara, thence the cessation of all types of suffering, resulting from letting-go the forces which power samsara, due to overcoming ignorance (thence also hatred and delusion, the 'three root poisons') through seeing things the way they really are."[25]
Donald Lopez: "[Nirvana] is used to refer to the extinction of desire, hatred, and ignorance and, ultimately, of suffering and rebirth."[web 4]
Damien Keown states: "When the flame of craving is extinguished, rebirth ceases, and an enlightened person is not reborn."[26]
The attainment of nirvana has also been given a more worldy interpretation, emphasising its effect in present life:
Ajahn Sucitto: "By the extinguishing of the “three fires” of greed, hatred, and delusion, nibbāna gives tangible results in terms of other people’s welfare."[27]
Ajahn Sucitto: "The metaphors associated with nibbāna often liken it to the blowing out of a fire. When it is no longer burning, the fire has “nibbāna’d”—the elements on which it was based are no longer in a state of combustion. This may seem like sterility and lifelessness from the viewpoint of the fire, but from the perspective of the elements it means life and potential. That is, when the fires of greed, hatred, and delusion are extinguished, the mind is free to operate in terms of its fullest capacity."[27]
look it up, this is buddhism 101.
and yes, there is such a thing as being perfect but its not what we think, but I know its not all dandy, its very hard. meditation is very hard, but once you get the hang of it, utterly magnificient.
but hey, this is a psy forum and we are all very blessed to be able to have those blissful experience and teachers at our disposition. Thing is, most doesnt seem to really listen and take the teaching of those plants into consideration, so the psychadelics benefit is gone and it creates more problem then not.
tripping more then once a week is utterly problematic, unless you take ayuasca and try to learn from it to try to heal epople, but this is not common ground in the psy community.
but yeah, nrvana is a concept, just like a apple is a concept. everything is always just a experience that defy language entirely. words never describes the truth of the simple taste of a apple.
heres a few quote:
Rupert Gethin: "Literally nirvāṇa means ‘blowing out’ or ‘extinguishing’ [...] What the Pali and Sanskrit expression primarily indicates is the event or process of the extinction of the ‘fires’ of greed, aversion, and delusion. At the moment the Buddha understood suffering, its arising, its cessation, and the path leading to its cessation, these fires were extinguished. This process is the same for all who reach awakening,[note 8] and the early texts term it either nirvāṇa or parinirvāṇa, the complete ‘blowing out’ or ‘extinguishing’ of the ‘fires’ of greed, aversion, and delusion. This is not a ‘thing’ but an event or experience.[16][note 9]
Paul Williams: "[Nirvana] means 'extinguishing', as in 'the extinguishing of a flame', and it signifies soteriologically the complete extinguishing of greed, hatred, and fundamentally delusion (i.e. ignorance), the forces which power samsara."[25]
Paul Williams: "Nirvana is broadly speaking the result of letting-go, letting-go the very forces of craving which power continued experiences of pleasure and inevitably suffering throughout this life, death, rebirth, and redeath. That, in a nutshell, is what nirvana is. It is the complete and permanent cessation of samsara, thence the cessation of all types of suffering, resulting from letting-go the forces which power samsara, due to overcoming ignorance (thence also hatred and delusion, the 'three root poisons') through seeing things the way they really are."[25]
Donald Lopez: "[Nirvana] is used to refer to the extinction of desire, hatred, and ignorance and, ultimately, of suffering and rebirth."[web 4]
Damien Keown states: "When the flame of craving is extinguished, rebirth ceases, and an enlightened person is not reborn."[26]
The attainment of nirvana has also been given a more worldy interpretation, emphasising its effect in present life:
Ajahn Sucitto: "By the extinguishing of the “three fires” of greed, hatred, and delusion, nibbāna gives tangible results in terms of other people’s welfare."[27]
Ajahn Sucitto: "The metaphors associated with nibbāna often liken it to the blowing out of a fire. When it is no longer burning, the fire has “nibbāna’d”—the elements on which it was based are no longer in a state of combustion. This may seem like sterility and lifelessness from the viewpoint of the fire, but from the perspective of the elements it means life and potential. That is, when the fires of greed, hatred, and delusion are extinguished, the mind is free to operate in terms of its fullest capacity."[27]
look it up, this is buddhism 101.
and yes, there is such a thing as being perfect but its not what we think, but I know its not all dandy, its very hard. meditation is very hard, but once you get the hang of it, utterly magnificient.
but hey, this is a psy forum and we are all very blessed to be able to have those blissful experience and teachers at our disposition. Thing is, most doesnt seem to really listen and take the teaching of those plants into consideration, so the psychadelics benefit is gone and it creates more problem then not.
tripping more then once a week is utterly problematic, unless you take ayuasca and try to learn from it to try to heal epople, but this is not common ground in the psy community.
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