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Psychadelics and Lucid Dreaming/OBEs

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Hey bluelight. I'm a new member but I've been strolling through the forums for quite some time now, and I've learned a lot from this community. I hope that I can become an active poster and member on bluelight.

Before I begin the thread, I would like to say that I have done ecstasy and weed many times. I enjoy the dreamy euphoria of both- the calm, relaxing, disoriented feeling of weed; the strong feelings of openness, happiness, empathy, and the flow of energy and the lush body high of ecstasy.

I enjoy both of the highs very much, and I do them for more than just feeling good- I use them as spiritual and psychological gateways to seeing reality in a different perspective. Before I had done weed or any drug, I had been practicing third eye meditation, lucid dreaming, and astral projection. These experiences let me experience much stronger feelings of enlightenment without being high; I was able to experience the sensation of floating out of my body from my bed to the ceiling and opening my spiritual eyes to see a different level of reality.

I have been able to control my dreams, experiencing a different world in which I know is simply a chemical in my brain. All of my consciousness and ego was transmitted purely into the dream, and I could feel my body throughout the most vast enviroment, I was everything around me- I could taste sounds, hear colors; everything was simply "one." Everytime I thought of something, I could see and feel the thought appear before me, 10x more realistic than even waking reality.

These experiences and the drug uses have both given me lifechanging and profound experiences. These experiences have led me to wanting to try acid, in hopes that I could hallucinate in real life. I'm not afraid of a bad trip, I am willing to experience acid even if it means terrifying experiences. Hey, I've woken up to sleep paralysis, unable to break out of it, when a girl crept out of the shadows with many eyes and screamed mortifying sounds, scarring extreme fear throughout my body. If that isn't worse than a bad trip, then what is?



I want people to post their experiences from use of Acid, DMT, Shrooms, Salvia, and experiences from "OBEs" and lucid dreaming. Have you ever had a bad trip from psychadelics? Sleep Paralysis? For those who have done both lucid dreaming/OBEs AND psychadelics, how do they compare?
 
Sorry for the double post, but I wanted to keep this seperate from the first.

For those who don't know what lucid dreaming is, it's basically knowing that you are dreaming when you are asleep, and this allows an experience that some say is stronger than even DMT. Astral Projection is the belief that deep meditation and sleep can seperate the spiritual body or your astral body from your physical body and it floats around in the astral world. Whether or not you want to believe this is up to you, they could very easily be lucid dreams, but I have supposedly experienced several OBE's and they feel much different than lucid dreams.


Sleep Paralaysis is very often compared to DMT, because during both DMT is in action while the body is awake. This puts the body in a strong delusional and hallucinating state, and create very strange bodily effects such as the feeling of flying or being 2 places at once. They are both so similar that you can substitute one for the other. To learn how to induce lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis go here:
http://tribes.tribe.net/dreamingknights/thread/2a99d265-e957-4348-947d-04ba9bcb9aad?newpostingid=8cbb5b18-917d-4529-aa56-75c46b89f760#8cbb5b18-917d-4529-aa56-75c46b89f760
 
Certain Dissociative function in different ways & different places

This I learned first from research then from personal experience. I am posting it because it changed my life and I know it will do the same for others. Robitussin and Ibogaine are both dissociatives of the NMDA antagonist group. Which simply means that they completely eliminate withdrawal symptoms (I take opiates for pain but like to come off them every once in a while) at a high enough dosage level. However, Robitussin, when I take 600mgs. takes away opiate withdrawal for 24 hrs. for me then everything returns to normal and withdrawals ensue unless I take more Robo or opiate. Yet any higher dose makes me go to an evil place. Ibogaine, on the other hand always has me hearing angel's singing and teaches me valuable lessons about life in the depths of my being (not just my mind). This way you really know what you have learned and it changes you. The one negative experience I did have was not frightening but felt like being an impartial observer. Further, Ibogaine after its first pass metabolism, changes into noribogaine and lasts 1 month in one's system and Ibogaine resets one's opiate receptors (meaning 5 mgs of hydros will do for you what it did the 1st time you took it) as if one had never even taken them and withdrawal doesn't return unless you take an opiate immediately then mild withdrawal comes for a day of two. This reseting and lasting a month is important because your body has stopped making it's own opiate endorphins because taking them orally has left your body with no need to make them. Without these endorphins, one feels weak and dead or unmotivated for 3 weeks and one doesn't really feel completely normal for 6-12 months. Even if the body produces them it doesn't do any good (if quitting in a normal fashion) because an opiate tolerant person can take 120 mgs of Morphine IV a day. Yet the body may produce an equivalent of 6 mgs. This is enough for the normal person, but for pain sufferers or drug users it feels like 0. But NorIbogaine mimicks all the body's endorphins which ironically opiates, benzos, etc. mimick the body's endorphins therefore addiction occurs. But the NorIbogaine makes a person feel normal for a month but the body doesn't know that NorIbogaine is doing the endorphin job, so it slowly begins producing endorphins again as in a normal person. Ibogaine is taken around the world and is illegal in only a few countries (ironically the U.S. is one). Methadone is the treatment here. If one stops Methadone vs. Morphine COLD TURKEY, withdrawal lasts 7-10 days with Morphine and 6 SIX MONTHS on Methadone. If it wasn't for Ibogaine I would have never gotten off Methadone - EVER! As for how Ibo works, first you see spiritually centered waking dreams pertaining to your inner self. Then you rise until you come out of your body and have a spiritual experience with relatives who have died or angels and in a few lucky cases God himself. Then after a few hours one returns to the body to see, like a movie, events (from an observer-painless point of view) from your life which have caused you to be in pain and become a drug addict or feel anxiety or behave strangely. This movie experience is like a life review and somehow brings understanding of what has caused all of one's problems and heals a person. Google it or e-mail me for more information at [email protected]. Hope this help someone.
 
Well, I have some limited experience with lucid dreaming and astral projection (more with the former, less with the latter). I don't think lucid dreaming compare much to tripping at all, OBEs are possible but I've never experienced them under the influence of a psychedelic. I think they are very common with dissociative drugs like ketamine, and DXM, though.

Regarding sleep paralysis, I have experienced that a lot, and I do agree it is utterly terrifying, but I don't think it is comparable to "bad trip" in any way, although the emotion of terror is similar I guess. The feeling of despair that goes with a true bad trip and that can last for hours (which feels like days) on end, the sense of dying/never being sane again etc, that accompanies a truly difficult ego-crushing psychedelic experience compares to nothing really, but you learn a lot from it and in that I wouldn't really call it a "bad trip". Sleep paralysis is harmless really compared to a real horrible psychedelic trip in a bad setting, which can have really negative consequences on your life and sanity, but if you're careful and don't underestimate the importance of set & setting, I think this shouldn't hold you back at all.

Sorry for somewhat scattered thoughts, I just woke up.

Oh, and welcome to PD and BL, great first post/thread! <3
 
Lucid dreams and OBE's, but have points in common with the psychedelic experience are not comparable. However, the psychedelic experience can have mystical sensations (fantasy or reality?). Such as telepathy, contacts with beings from other dimensions, the major revelations and mystical ecstasy.
 
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A few observations.

-Ketamine if done in repeatedly sub-k hole doses has on a few occasions brought on a very intense feeling of waking up from a dream although I have been fully conscious the entire time. Perhaps it activates particular parts of the brain related to dreaming, while leaving others unaffected causing a type of lucid dreaming state. Its an incredible feeling, but also quite scary at the time.

-I haven't had an OBE but I've had a few lucid dreams and they are much different than any psychedelic experience I've had. I think lucid dreaming has great potential for consciousness exploration but its much less consistent and harder to bring anything useful back then when using psychedelics.

-After taking AMT, I notice much more intense dreams. I believe Xorkoth also has had some interesting dream effects after AMT.

-I also take a methylating formulation which contains triMETHYLglycine + cofactors like B12 and notice a greater number or more intense dreams, better recollection and overall deeper sleep. Methyl donors like SAMe and TMG are needed for the body to synthesize DMT (and other neurotransmitters) which may be involved in sleep and dreaming so it could be a useful area to research if you are interested in lucid dreaming.
 
Tripping is nothing like lucid dreaming. I happen to love lucid dreaming, but... it's just not comparable. I've done shrooms, acid, ecstasy, so on...

I mean, I do like to trip, and I like to lucid dream... but at least for me, lucid dreams are in some way more intense. It's... an entire experience in your head. At the same time, there's the comfort that you're dreaming. When you're tripping, you are awake. This is reality.

Just do your research, be excited, and don't worry! :)
 
jyun: I cant PM you, cuz Im pretty new here too... but I have had a few third eye experiences and I am trying to repeat them. Wouldnt mind having a chat with you.

I wouldnt really call it lucid dreaming... it was more like vividly imaging whatever I wanted to. I could create scenarios in my mind and they were so life like that when I was done for the rest of the day and even the next day I was extatic and profoundly happy as if the experience had happened in real life... e.g. say you pull a hot girl, you would be pretty stoked about it and on a 'natural high' right. Well like that except it wasnt about a girl or anything. I was able to control somekind of rejuevenating 'cosmic energy' too and I healed an old gym injury with it.

This was all completely sober btw. I havnt experience astral travel or proper lucid dreaming yet.. but im sure I will have those opportunites when I find out how to control my 3rd eye a little better. How do you turn it on? I have a feeling is has something to do with refraining from any form of sex??

Any help/info would be great.

Peace x
 
Definitely doesn't have anything to do with refraining from sex for me, but if you think it'd help you, do it. There is something empowering about controlling yourself.

Honestly, my third eye was pried open by drugs. Not sure if you want to do that/have access, but that's definitely how things started. It was kind of open before, but drugs definitely did it. Perhaps you can try meditating? I've never been huge on it, but some people really love it.

And melatonin is supposedly helpful to inducing lucid dreams. You can get some at a drugstore. :)
 
There are many tricks and techniques to help with getting a lucid dream, it has everything to do with recognizing the fact that you are in fact dreaming that triggers it really. It is basically all about becoming conscious while still dreaming and not waking up to the fact. It can be somewhat difficult to do, but once you get the hang of it it gets easier and easier. There's a lot of good material on lucid dreaming online, I suggest googling and seeing what you come up with.

^ Melatonin has not helped me maintain a lucid dream per se, but it can make dreams much more vivid which helps a lot I suppose.
 
Ive tried LSD shrooms weed nitrous oxide and dxm, not to be confused with dmt. Lucid dreaming is the best for my life. LSD has brought the most euphoria but has also given me bad trips because I start analyzing bad parts of my life on it. Also I've been addicted to various other drugs which probably contributed to bad trips. Shrooms is amazing and doesn't noticeably change me afterwards like acid. I can't compare each one because each trip is different. Lucid dreaming seems to be the greatest for my life because it always puts me in a happy place. Dxm has a hangover which I don't like but my best dream came the night after doing dxm. N2o is definitely safe in moderation but isn't intense and only lasts a short while. Weed is amazing but not when I do it all the time. I always have bad experiences with sleep paralysis and makes me freak out and see myself in the mirror with one eye extremely dilated or I see someone's head inflate like a balloon. Lucid dreaming is the safest and best in the long run for me. LSD experiences are the best in the moment of tripping but doesn't last which leaves me disappointed after a week and that might be because I'm an addict. I recommend to only do psychadelics and travel as much as possible. Hope this helps
 
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