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I have been taking psychedelics every weekend now for that last couple of months (aMT, magic mushrooms, ketamine, LSD)

Its mainly been aMT though in doses up to 125mg aswell.

Anyway lately I have noticed my pupils are always huge even when im stone cold sober, when you look at Charles Manson his eyes are massive in all the photos of him and that video of him in court he looks proper bug eyed which is what I look like (he ate lots of acid).

Its like im constantly staring into space, does anyone else have this problem?
 
I wouldn't advise tripping every weekend. It doesn't give your tolerance a chance to fully revert to baseline, so at the very least your experiences won't be as magical as they would be with a proper break.

It makes sense that you'd be left a little fried and spacey if you've been tripping so often. I had the same thing when I was taking 2C-E rather often. The solution is just to space your trips out a lot more and both you and your tolerance will find their way back to baseline - plus you'll enjoy your trips a whole lot more! :D
 
aMT is said to be a mild MAOI. If this is the case, then you may be experiencing mydriasis due to an increase in catecholamine levels. I must admit, I've never heard of this particular side-effect of regular dosing, but who knows. It's unlikely to present any problems. Most people who have been on an SSRI drug will be familiar with the huge pupils you get with them.
 
I feel like aMT makes my pupils really big, bigger than anything else probably. How many days between use do you mean you are "stone cold sober?" A single day or two? Or are we talking they stay big from Saturday night up until the next Friday morning?

aMT has a really long duration of action. This could be part of the issue. I'd guess mine stay big for at least 24 hours past my last dose, although I've never really timed it.
 
The last time I dosed aMT was about 10 days ago and last night my pupils were rediculously big at the moment they arent that big but theyre still bigger than most peoples.

Its like I feel like i'm a robot void of any real emotion, I just dont know whether my pupils have anything to do with this n the way I feel. I have heard some mental illnesses make you have massive pupils even when you arent on drugs etc?
 
Remember AMT is not well documented in its long term effects or side effects. I would take a month with no psyches and report back on the pupils issue, or see an eye doctor/neurologist if you're concerned it indicates a neurological issue. It's very unlikely, I believe constantly using psychedelics in this manner will make you unusually worried about things that aren't really problems if you aren't entirely comfortable with them. It's a psychological thing.

Your body could be depleted of serotonin/other neurotransmitters, causing you to feel "devoid of emotion" as you put it. All the drugs you listed, pretty much all psychedelics, use up serotonin and other neurotransmitters and your body typically needs at least a week to replenish those brain chemicals. Using something again right after your body has finished recovering makes it recover slower next time, and possibly less of those neurotransmitters/serotonin. I'm sure you've heard it all before, but serotonin is key in regulating your mood, sleep, anxiety levels, and a lot of other factors. I'm pretty sure AMT is known for causing a large release of serotonin.

It's okay to do it maybe two or three consecutive weekends, but eight weekends is a different story. Moderation is the key here. Give yourself some time without tripping and see if how you feel subsides.
 
I ditto the wombat. You health habits become more and more important if you push your body with consistent psychedelic use; you have to be smart about it or else suffer the consequences. There's plenty of threads around here with ideas to help health following drug use. Also make sure you aren't tricking yourself by going from rooms with little lighting and then looking in the mirror without letting your eyes adjust.
 
The human brain is infinitely complex and so there could be infinite reasons as to why your pupils are bigger nowadays

but if you are comparing yourself to charles manson maybe it is time to trip less
 
you definitely need to take a break from tripping. you are probably really hurting your mental stability by tripping that often, especially on an RC like aMT. these are totally unstudied chemicals, you really wanna be the one who takes them every week? basically every few days..to be honest you'd proly be better off tripping on mushrooms or acid, maybe try like once a month or every other week if you really have to. but really, the more space you put in between trips the better your trip will be. it's all about balance.
 
CombatWombat said:
Remember AMT is not well documented in its long term effects or side effects. I would take a month with no psyches and report back on the pupils issue, or see an eye doctor/neurologist if you're concerned it indicates a neurological issue. It's very unlikely, I believe constantly using psychedelics in this manner will make you unusually worried about things that aren't really problems if you aren't entirely comfortable with them. It's a psychological thing.

Your body could be depleted of serotonin/other neurotransmitters, causing you to feel "devoid of emotion" as you put it. All the drugs you listed, pretty much all psychedelics, use up serotonin and other neurotransmitters and your body typically needs at least a week to replenish those brain chemicals. Using something again right after your body has finished recovering makes it recover slower next time, and possibly less of those neurotransmitters/serotonin. I'm sure you've heard it all before, but serotonin is key in regulating your mood, sleep, anxiety levels, and a lot of other factors. I'm pretty sure AMT is known for causing a large release of serotonin.

It's okay to do it maybe two or three consecutive weekends, but eight weekends is a different story. Moderation is the key here. Give yourself some time without tripping and see if how you feel subsides.
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OK I don't mean to tear your post apart, but I have to clarify a few things.

aMT used to be prescribed as an anti depressant in Soviet Russia so I'm sure there is plenty of research done on it, you just have to look hard.
Its not a psychological thing. He is feeling void of emotions because he used aMT too many times without enough of a break in between and cause his body's serotonin levels to deplete. aMT releases just as much serotonin as MDMA does, but not in the rush, but over a long period (dose dependent) which could be 12+ hours. This means that aMT doesn't cause the amount of down regulation that MDMA does, thus a quicker recovery.

I do agree that 2-3 weekends in a row is ok, but the third, depending on your dose of course, starts to push it. 8 is just too many. It doesn't give your body enough time to recover, and if you aren't eating particularly well, it will take even longer to get its levels back on par.
 
I've had this put to me by someone really well "drugs are the spark that ignite the fuel", how do you expect to take your mind to a diffrent plain without some good old gas? eat some food, get some rest, do some strenuous exercise and give it a few months before your next trip.

(ps: this is the advice i'd wish i'd taken sooner xxxxx)

PAL x
 
I felt quite like what I can imagine your feeling like now after I used aMT regularily for a few months. The best thing to do is to if you can manage stop using psy's alltogether for a month or so or if you cant do that switch to something a little less chemically or if you still cant manage that, space out your amt trips to ever other weekend and lower the dosage.
 
freehugs said:
aMT used to be prescribed as an anti depressant in Soviet Russia so I'm sure there is plenty of research done on it, you just have to look hard.
Its not a psychological thing. He is feeling void of emotions because he used aMT too many times without enough of a break in between and cause his body's serotonin levels to deplete. aMT releases just as much serotonin as MDMA does, but not in the rush, but over a long period (dose dependent) which could be 12+ hours. This means that aMT doesn't cause the amount of down regulation that MDMA does, thus a quicker recovery.

I do agree that 2-3 weekends in a row is ok, but the third, depending on your dose of course, starts to push it. 8 is just too many. It doesn't give your body enough time to recover, and if you aren't eating particularly well, it will take even longer to get its levels back on par.
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I was unaware of that. I'm sure there's some research out there, then. I was not saying he was feeling devoid of emotions was a psychological issue though, I was saying worrying about his pupils being abnormally large could be brought on by use of AMT every week and his own concern that it isn't safe, and in fact his pupils aren't any different/it's a benign issue.
 
its like a zit

you are focusing on it so you notice it more

dont underestimate the mind
 
I've done a SHIT load of dxm in the last few years and ive noticed even if i go months of being completely sober, my pupils are way bigger than normal pupils so i'd like to know why as well if someone could explain it in a simple way...want to also know if its dangerous or means ive gotten brain damage
 
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