Prozac Nation? Is the Party Over?

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Nancy Hugo, a 57-year-old housewife in Corvallis, Ore., had recently been prescribed the antidepressant Zoloft by her internist when she found herself in the bathroom, looking at a Bic shaver and wondering if she could get the blade out of its plastic. In the living room she zeroed in on a pair of long scissors she had inherited from her grandmother. "I kept on wanting to pick them up and gouge my eye out," she recalls. Trying to occupy her mind at the computer, she fought the "urge to slam the phone into the side of my head."

Hugo survived the weekend; her drug doses were reduced and she was switched to antidepressant Paxil. This time, however, she experienced akathisia'a medicine-induced agitation and restlessness that some patients on antidepressants describe as the feeling of bugs crawling through the skin'and an extreme bout of mania. "What spooks me now is that I thought I'd recognize when I was having trouble with the medications," she says. "But it was a week later before I realized, 'Oh, my God, what have I done?'"

Both Zoloft and Paxil are Prozac-type drugs known as SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Do such drugs cause mania and violent obsessions? That question is now being debated in many a doctor's office, court of law and legislature. Whatever the correct scientific answer, the mere fact that the question is being asked represents a new phase in the evolution of SSRI medications and a threat to the well-being of the companies that make the drugs.

Since SSRIs arrived 16 years ago with the introduction of Eli Lilly & Co.'s Prozac, the category has expanded into a collection of blockbusters for Lilly, Pfizer, GlaxoSmithkline and other manufacturers. All told, the antidepressants category accounts for $14 billion a year of wholesale revenues just in the U.S., according to IMS Health. In the first five months of this year American doctors wrote 46 million prescriptions for antidepressants, up 5% over the same period last year, according to NDCHealth. Yes, this is a Prozac nation. Dr. Mark Vanden Bosch, an anesthesiologist at the Berkshire Medical Center in Pittsfield, Mass., who must be alert to drugs that might interact with anesthesia, estimates that a third of the patients checking into his hospital, for a wide range of operations, are on antidepressants.

When Prozac was new, it was heralded (in, for example, the 1993 hit Listening to Prozac) as a wonder drug with little in the way of side effects. The few naysayers were for the most part fringe sorts like Scientologists. Now a giant pall of misgiving is descending on SSRIs: Tearful family members are telling their congressmen how the drugs caused their children to commit suicide; Britain has limited their use in children; a suit by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer claims GlaxoSmithkline suppressed evidence that the drugs don't work in children and can endanger them; and the Food & Drug Administration is studying whether it should mandate ominous warning labels.


It's a pattern we have seen before in psychiatric drugs, says Harvard Medical School (news - web sites) psychiatrist Joseph Glenmullen. A new class of chemicals creates a wave of euphoria in the medical community, while a handful of celebrities (such as, in the case of SSRIs, Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes) swear by the new pills. A decade later reports of side effects accumulate and doctors begin to have second thoughts. Another decade later the world discovers a new miracle drug and the old one is relegated to niche uses. It happened to the major tranquilizers (like Thorazine) introduced in the 1950s, and it happened to supposedly less addictive and relatively side-effect-free substitutes for morphine. Dr. Glenmullen made this point about the SSRIs five years ago in his book Prozac Backlash. He looks prescient now.

The second-guessing about SSRIs comes just as the earliest patents have expired, or are about to. The combination of potentially dampened prescription volume and new price competition could bring a lot of disappointment to investors in Pfizer and its competitors.

The touchiest issue is whether SSRIs provoke suicides in children. Eric Harris was on Solvay Pharmaceuticals' SSRI, Luvox, when he and Dylan Klebold went on their murder-suicide rampage through Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo. in 1999. Did the powerful drug push him into a dangerous mental zone, like the one Hugo experienced, or was it unable to stop what was already there? It's hard to know. (A Columbine survivor's lawsuit against Solvay was settled out of court, without any admission of liability, and resulted in a token contribution from Solvay to a charity.) The British health authorities have ruled that the side effects of SSRI antidepressants other than Prozac put children at an unacceptable risk of suicide. The National Institute of Mental Health in the U.S., in contrast, says that "some research" points to a drop in suicides among children since the drugs were introduced, "but it is not known if SSRIs are directly responsible."

"The suicides under SSRIs are violent," says Vera Sharav, president of the Alliance for Human Research Protection, a group headquartered in New York City that is crusading for full disclosure of the drugs' side effects. "It's not like someone going into the bathroom and taking pills. It's jumping, knives, hanging. They're in pain. They're jumping out of their skins."

Glenmullen says he himself prescribes SSRIs when appropriate but is dismayed to see patients who have been prescribed antidepressants for every triviality, from nail-biting to boyfriend breakups. It is easy to see where overprescribing could become a habit. General practitioners, internists and family doctors are, at times, penalized by health insurers for making referrals to psychiatrists. These first-line doctors write 73% of all antidepressant scrips in America. Fact: We now spend more on mood-altering drugs for our children, including antidepressants, than we spend on antibiotics.

Harried GPs do not always discuss with their patients such possible problems as withdrawal symptoms on discontinuance or the need for ever-increasing doses as the drug's efficacy wears off. In 1997 C.W. Tillman, a county official in Missouri, had an anxiety attack and was prescribed Paxil by his doctor; a few days later his adverse reactions included severe agitation, extreme sensitivity to light and noise, claustrophobia, diarrhea and vomiting. His doctor told him to stop taking the drug, let the symptoms clear up and start again. A month later Tillman had descended into a deep depression and took an overdose. Tillman'subsequently diagnosed as bipolar and now the Web site editor of NAMI, the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, in Arlington, Va.'is grateful for SSRIs for eventually helping him manage his illness, but says doctors are undertrained in recognizing side effects.

The brain runs on a cocktail of feel-good chemical transmitters, among them adrenaline, serotonin and dopamine. Basically, serotonin flows across a synapse briefly, from one nerve cell to another, after which the cell that sent it out mops up the excess. SSRIs work by blocking the sending cell's ability to reabsorb the excess serotonin. Result: The receptors in the second cell get a prolonged bath of the feel-good juice. The miracle in this class of drug is that SSRIs are better tolerated than earlier antidepressants and less likely to be fatal in an overdose.

Now the downside: The brain adjusts to the artificial increase in serotonin with a compensatory drop in dopamine. No one knows the long-term effect of this drop in dopamine in the brain. "The gaping loophole in our drug safety system," says Glenmullen, "is long-term safety. It takes decades for enough consumers to have had ill effects for problems to come to the authorities' attention." Pfizer, the manufacturer of Zoloft, says it carefully monitors safety after drugs are approved and shares that information with the FDA (news - web sites).

Doctors and patients have for some time been reporting mild tics and jerks in SSRI users. The tics are usually overlooked, but can develop into tardive dyskinesia (manifested by a freakish "involuntary tongue" that darts out of the mouth, twitching or "running" legs, jerking or wildly swinging arms and gagging). Do patients know they may be in for this? Knowing, they might, of course, still opt for medication. "A little discomfort is a small (price) to pay for a normal level of happiness!" writes Archibald Hart in Unmasking Male Depression.

Thorazine, it turns out, creates similar side effects, but it was a while before doctors were aware of how frequently. Prescribed for everything from insomnia to anxiety, this type of tranquilizer was taken by an estimated 250 million worldwide. In 1973, at the 20-year mark, 2,000 cases of tics had been reported. Critics surfaced and were dismissed as alarmists. But by 1980 systematic studies using neurological screening tests discovered that 40% of all patients treated with the Thorazine class of tranquilizers had tics. Reclassified as antipsychotics, the Thorazine-style drugs were given a long list of FDA warnings and are used today only for severe mental illness.

SSRI patients are also reporting memory loss. It's mostly anecdotal evidence at this point. But Harvard's Glenmullen says the reports of memory loss, tics and jerking side effects found in SSRI patients suggests to him the possibility of long-term brain damage. Is there a risk that, a decade hence, we will see an epidemic of Alzheimer's- or Parkinson's-like diseases? The regulators haven't given enough thought to the possibility, he says.

Whatever the true hazards in SSRIs, there is no doubt that tort lawyers can make hay out of the situation. No overall litigation and settlement data are available on antidepressants (opponents claim pharma is settling cases quietly and sealing the records), and there are just the early signs of clustering activity'trial lawyers advertising for SSRI "victims," seminars and other legal teamwork'familiar to mass torts, but watch events gather pace.

"We went through a whole period of overprescribing SSRIs," says Jeffrey Kodroff, a Philadelphia lawyer suing Pfizer over Neurontin, an epilepsy drug. "When the market started getting to the point of saturation, the market started emphasizing juvenile use, also for the purpose of getting patent extensions. If the studies show they are not only not efficacious, but cause problems, you're going to see a big backlash in usage of SSRIs."

The New York Attorney General's suit against GlaxoSmithkline, filed in June, alleges that Glaxo committed fraud by suppressing or selectively quoting from clinical studies that showed Paxil to be no better, or even worse, than a dummy pill in treating children with depression. Spitzer has also requested documents from Forest Laboratories, maker of SSRIs Celexa and Lexapro. Glaxo says Spitzer's allegations are bunk; it never targeted kids.

To see what a successful Spitzer prosecution could provoke, look at what recently happened to Pfizer. Warner-Lambert's Neurontin was FDA approved for epilepsy, but the company, it was alleged, was encouraging doctors to prescribe it for "off-label" uses like bipolar disorders. A whistle-blower triggered federal and state criminal investigations into the marketing, and this May Pfizer (which had subsequently acquired Warner-Lambert) settled with the government, taking a $427 million pretax hit in criminal and civil fines.

Four days after the settlement the Teamsters Health & Welfare Fund of Philadelphia & Vicinity, joined by Aetna and the Alaska State Employees Association health benefits trust, filed class actions against Pfizer alleging, among other things, that Warner-Lambert suppressed a Harvard Bipolar Research Program study finding that "patients did worse on Neurontin than those who were on a sugar pill." Two years after the study was suppressed, the Teamsters suit alleges, "Neurontin accounted for $1.3 billion in sales, with over 80% of its use coming from nonapproved uses, such as treatment of bipolar disorder." Pfizer says it will "vigorously defend" itself against any suits following its Neurontin settlement, and says "it is worth noting that those investigations did not result in a charge of fraud by Warner-Lambert."

A user of SSRIs for almost a decade, who says she can't wean herself off the drugs and spoke to us on the condition of anonymity, recently wrote her former Park Avenue psychiatrist: "I simply pray Glaxo follows the path of (Dow) Corning, who endangered women's lives with silicone implants they knew were dangerous. Bankruptcy."

Even if Pfizer, Glaxo and Lilly are right about the science, they could be on the wrong end of a tort suit. Look at the breast implant cases. Scientific studies showed that there was no connection between silicone and the autoimmune diseases supposedly caused by it. But still the implant manufacturers had to spend billions of dollars to settle lawsuits.

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Prozac Nation? Is the Party Over?

Fri Aug 20,11:53 AM ET
By Richard C. Morais

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/fo/20040820/bs_fo/6fd966a3bbd7f3c511ec4152a7b4d08e

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It is easy to see where overprescribing could become a habit. General practitioners, internists and family doctors are, at times, penalized by health insurers for making referrals to psychiatrists. These first-line doctors write 73% of all antidepressant scrips in America.

Why would health insurers do that? Are they getting "incentives" from pharm companies?
 
Because then it costs the insurer more.

My 2cents on the subjects, even though they're probably only worth about 1 cent, but: Is that, its not really the fault of the drug company; it's there to make money, like any other company, their drugs do work when used right. If its anyones fault, its the doctors and the governments.

The government for one, should ban the direct advertisment of drugs to the public. The public is far to stupid to decide what medication it needs, and even if people were smart enough, the 'information' on adds is not enough for people to make an informed decision. Secondly, the government should make stricter laws regarding what a drug company needs to do to proove that their medication is sucessful. In the case of antidepressants, this should involve active-placebo controled trials.

Doctors on the other hand should know better. A good percentage of GPs have no idea that SSRIs cause withdrawal symptomes for instance. Some don't know how to tell the difference between clinical depression, and manic depression.. others will prescribe antidepressants to anyone who says they are depressed. It is the doctors responsiblility to be educated about the drugs they prescribe.

People should stop giving pharmaceutical companies crap. They work within the law, and deliver drugs which have been shown to be effective to the governments standards. In a real world situation, I don't think we can ask anything more from them.
 
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I knew this was comeing for quite sometime..... we keep takeing the easy way out. No more, hey kids you feel down, go out and play in the sunshine, build a tree fort, make belive.. now it's just "here, take some pills and veg in front of your XBox"

Were only now starting to see the downside of this, give it another year and this will really hit the roof.

Jay
 
The government for one, should ban the direct advertisment of drugs to the public.

And who lobbied the government to allow that??

Doctors on the other hand should know better.

They should. But they're being bought out:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146960

People should stop giving pharmaceutical companies crap. They work within the law

They lobby the law. Spending hundreds of millions on lobbying, they buy the politicians who write the laws.

their drugs do work when used right.

Really?? Did Fen-Phen work?? Drugs don't turn out to have unexpected side effects, and sometimes negative results of studies aren't concealed by drug companies??

it's there to make money, like any other company

So just becaue corporations are out to make money they shouldn't have to abide by any ethics??
 
Coperations aren't allowed to lobby the government? If the government allows it, it's their fault, not the lobbiers.

I personally doubt doctors bribes carry much weight when it comes to what the average doctors prescribe. One of the big things that anti-pharmaceutical people talk about, is all how pharmaceutical companies give certain doctors all expense paid trips to "conferences". Normally these are the heads of large hospitals, not places where ADs are presribed that much. Meanwhile, I doubt, apart from in the few most extremely unscrupulous cases, that any bribe has swung a doctor to presribe a drug he wouldn't normally, all it would do is alter which companies he prescibed. Also, outside of the states, in developed countries, the biggest bribes a doctor is going to get is a pen. Yet SSRIs are still over prescribed.

Buying politicians? That's a preety big call.

Fen-phen worked excellently, it just had very serious side effects. What does this have to do with whats on discussion? I don't think negative results are hidden, drug companies don't want to market drugs that don't work. Data can be minipualted to give more positive results, usually to exclude side-effects, by removing the results of people who withdraw from trials. There is still no agreement by acedemics whether this is legitamate or not.

No, of course corporations can't be expected to abide by ethics. When you've got a bunch of people in a board room, who could get fired if shareholders aren't happy, they're going to do whatever it takes to make money. Thats why laws exsists.
 
I'm glad the issues around SSRI treatment are being brought up. I was on them for a few years, and while they did ultimately play a part in curing me out of my depression (through a very risky internal therapy combining dxm and zoloft), these drugs should not be taken so lightly.

SSRI's can work, but there is a huge amount of risks that people should know about. A majority of doctors seem to know fuck-all about what these drugs do, how they work, and who they should be given to.

I've seen six different doctors, all of them were eager to give me a random ssri (or alternative AD) on my first visit. None of them could tell me what the long term effects would be, and all but one acted surprised when I came in time and time again complaining that I couldn't get an erection, that I slept 12 hours a day (or three hours), that I heard voices screaming at me while I tried to sleep, or that I would randomly get so angry that I punched holes through my door. When the side effects pushed my limit, they would tell me to stop taking the meds over the cours of a week, and immediately start taking a new one. The meds ultimately ruined my junior year of high school, making me a totally different person, and only did I find relief from my depression when I actually quit the drugs altogether and started mental therapy on myself.

So a pharmaceutical representative (aka salesman) convinces some unassuming GP that Lexapro is good for all sorts of conditions it hasn't even been researched for, and he starts prescribing it like mad. It is the pharm companies fault for their deception, it is the doctor's fault for their ignorance, and it is the goverment's fault for ultimately allowing this sort of shit to go on. All of these groups have a responsibility that they are ready to discard in the face of a point on the stock and the manic smile on a teen girl's face. I wish that when she cuts her smile off with a shard of glass because her skin is crawling and she has just enough twisted mental stamina to decide that death is better than the circumstance that all these parties would be held partially responsible, but it just isn't so.
 
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this is why all drugs should be treated equally.

These first-line doctors write 73% of all antidepressant scrips in America.

and that's a huge part of the problem with ssri's - my first experience with these drugs was with a doc who had no business handling them. Doctors who are only looking at surface-level health issues like "mood" do a disservice to their patients - the first thing is to figure out what's at the start of it all - the normal ebb and flow of the human condition, or something considerably more severe.

I guess everyone's prone to overusing drugs, not just us potheads =D
 
i've personally never taken SSRI's, but a lot of my friends have. most of them seem worse especially while adjusting to new medication. one friend of mine has been on just about every type of SSRI and i think shes found that weed works better for her. watching her adjust to medicine was like watching someone withdrawl. another friend of mine recently killed himself and he was on SSRI's for depression n bipolar disorder. so like personally i'll stick to grass when i'm down n out
 
Coperations aren't allowed to lobby the government? If the government allows it, it's their fault, not the lobbiers.

Its not that simple. A US Congressional candidate wants to get re-elected. If he chooses not to take money from lobbies, his opponents will, his opponents will use that money for more media time spewing out a bunch of bullshit that the voters will believe, and he will lose the election. If he does take that money, he is expected to support some legislation to favor those lobbiest intersests, or he won't get future money. In this way, elected officials get a steady flow of money from corporations that they use to keep getting elected, to the tune of hundreds of millions.

Buying politicians? That's a preety big call.

You only need to look at the hundreds of millions of dollars that pharmecuetical companies and other lobbies here in the US contribute to political campaigns. Nearly all of our Federal politicians here in the US are routinely bought out by contribruters. That's how the legislative and executive process works here.

I personally doubt doctors bribes carry much weight when it comes to what the average doctors prescribe. One of the big things that anti-pharmaceutical people talk about, is all how pharmaceutical companies give certain doctors all expense paid trips to "conferences". Normally these are the heads of large hospitals, not places where ADs are presribed that much. Meanwhile, I doubt, apart from in the few most extremely unscrupulous cases, that any bribe has swung a doctor to presribe a drug he wouldn't normally, all it would do is alter which companies he prescibed.

You doubt you doubt. You sound like a corporate spokesman. Is it ethical at all for doctors/hospitals to take gifts from pharmecuetical companies? You don't see a conflict of interest? Money talks in the US, and when money moves, you can be sure somebody's getting something for that. The pharmecuetical companies wouldn't be spending the money if they weren't getting something for it.

I don't think negative results are hidden

Uhm...you obviously aren't keeping up with whats come out in the media.

drug companies don't want to market drugs that don't work.

I thought you said they wanted to make money? If they can get away with making money on drugs that don't work well, or on drugs that have serious side effects, why wouldn't they do so?

No, of course corporations can't be expected to abide by ethics.

Bullshit. Making money is not an excuse for anyone to commit inhumanities.

When you've got a bunch of people in a board room, who could get fired if shareholders aren't happy, they're going to do whatever it takes to make money.

And when you have bunch of Congressmen up for re-election every two years, they will do whatever it takes to win the election, including selling out to pharmecuetical companies when it helps them. When you have bunch of hospitals/doctors being offered large amounts of money, they'll take it too. Why do you validate the greed of the corporations but not that of the goverment, doctors and hospitals??

Thats why laws exsists.

Here in the US those laws are made by people who are paid millions by the corporations. Don't you see a conflict of interest? The system isn't working, and while the government can be said to be to blame, the corporations, doctors and hospitals play their role too. And its all personal greed at all levels.


Now if at some level you wanna blame voters for electing government officials that sell out to corporations, I'm with you on that. Because only voters can change it by learning to see through the campaigning bullshit and voting for people who will truely represent them, not the big corporations and other lobbies. But first the voters need to become aware of the level of corruption that exists. (Hence my rant).
 
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Has anyone read the book "confessions of a medical heretic" by Robert S Mendelsohn. It's old (79) was the chairman of the medical licensing commitee for the state of Illinois (among other credentials) and the book illustrates the deep ties between doctors and pharmacutical companies.
 
Thelazer said:
I knew this was comeing for quite sometime..... we keep takeing the easy way out. No more, hey kids you feel down, go out and play in the sunshine, build a tree fort, make belive.. now it's just "here, take some pills and veg in front of your XBox"

Jay

totally agree man. It's a drug nation period, everybody's on em and they've just become an easier solution to everything. What would you rather do?, go out and work on your car so you can go find a job and make money or...get high, get low whichever you go for? So is America itself responsible for this whole mess we're in now? or just the drug companies and everybody who grows somethin in their closets?
 
I think we're roughly on the same page Glogga, just that you believe that there is some kind of conspiracy that allows dangerous drugs onto the market, while I believe that that's just how it is. I don't listen to "the media", because this shit that they spout is just as biased as what the drug companies produce, they're both out to make money and will do whatever it takes, within the law, to do it. Hence, my point, and what it seems you think to a degree, is that it is the governments role (and hence voters) to push companies towards "moral" actions.

But just one your "Bullshit. Making money is not an excuse for anyone to commit inhumanities"... So hospital can't turn away the sick? Educational facilities can't turn away the uneducated? super markets can't turn away the hungry? When stuff starts costing money, morals go out the window.
 
I was put on zoloft for 8 months a few years ago and it certainly cured my depression, and when i got off it, I was no loinger depressed nor have been to this day, but my doctor clearly told me that it was no miracle pill and that I should look for hobbies and alternative teraphies to stay undepressed when I got off it, and so I did.
another thing that I notice is that here in portugal SSRI's are rarely prescribed for more than a year to people who are under 40
 
I've been on several different antidepressants in my lifetime, and I've worked at a medical center along with both my parents, and I believe that these pharmy companies and doctors are definitely making huge profits off drugs they don't know enough about. You should have seen the crap that arrived weekly in our office from drug companies pimping the latest new pill (I remember all the secretaries fighting over the Viagra pens) My depressions still get pretty dark sometimes, but I'm coming to the conclusion that pharmeceuticals just aren't worth it. I've had way better luck with vitamin supplements like B complex and calcium, supplemented occasionally by 5HTP and Bee propolis for energy. Everyone makes a little something when a doctor prescribes meds, he gets kickbacks and free samples from the companies and happy patients who think the little pills will fix everything. If they have side effects and the patient has to come back, he gets paid for another visit. Its naive to think that doctors are that ethical that they're always going to put patient before paycheck. I've worked for doctors, there's a few good ones, and most have an excellent rapport with patients, but find out how they treat their staff sometime. Most of them are egotistical money-hungry bastards.
 
BliZ0r said

"People should stop giving pharmaceutical companies crap. They work within the law, and deliver drugs which have been shown to be effective to the governments standards. In a real world situation, I don't think we can ask anything more from them."

and

"No, of course corporations can't be expected to abide by ethics. When you've got a bunch of people in a board room, who could get fired if shareholders aren't happy, they're going to do whatever it takes to make money. Thats why laws exsists."

That's also why lawsuits and bad publicity exist, to give corporations strong financial incentives not to wreck people's lives. "giving pharmaceutical companies crap", as you call it, is one of the main things stopping corporations from completely disregarding the consequences of their actions.
 
BilZ0r said:
Coperations aren't allowed to lobby the government? If the government allows it, it's their fault, not the lobbiers.

I personally doubt doctors bribes carry much weight when it comes to what the average doctors prescribe.

Meanwhile, I doubt, apart from in the few most extremely unscrupulous cases, that any bribe has swung a doctor to presribe a drug he wouldn't normally, all it would do is alter which companies he prescibed.

Buying politicians? That's a preety big call.

I don't think negative results are hidden, drug companies don't want to market drugs that don't work.

Wow, you're pretty trusting.
 
BilZ0r said:

Making money is not an excuse for anyone to commit inhumanities"... So hospital can't turn away the sick? Educational facilities can't turn away the uneducated? super markets can't turn away the hungry?

There is a difference between "not giving away your labor for free" and "manipulating people and laws and organizations to make extra profits beyond what you are already making".

A hospital turning away someone who can't pay is different from a hospital selling you extra surgeries that you don't need in order to increase revenue.

Not the same.
 
Most drugs have pros to cure a condition but they always come with some side effects in one form or another. There is no magic-pill, and SSRI's have been marketed as such to doctors and general public.

People have to stop and realize that there is no such thing as "magic pill" every drug has side effects.

In the case of SSRI's the pros outweight the side effects in most cases , however the problem here is that big pharma was so paranoid about losing any potential profits that they lied and hid those well known (to them) side effects from the government, from the medical community and msot of all from patients taking these drugs.

Not cool.
 
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