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I've noticed the west is barely reporting on this. The liberal west will argue the hijab isn't a sign of oppression but Iran and women in strict Muslim countries would disagree.


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Mahsa Amini's Death: 5 Things You Need to Know

22-year-old Mahsa Amini was arrested in Tehran for "improperly" wearing her hijab. She died in police custody on September 16th, 2022.
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Being forced to wear a hijab is certainly oppression, and it's being used over there to subjugate women, no doubt about that. Women choosing to wear it in free countries, however, may be doing it for other reasons.

But yeah I've been following that situation over there. Actually it's covered pretty heavily on NPR recently, which I like to listen to when I'm driving. And FYI, NPR (a liberal outlet for sure) is certainly not trying to paint it as anything but oppression.
 
Hahaha.... What a country I am livin'🤸🤸🤸🤸🤸😀😀😀😀😀Chief of police department"Fight against organized crime" busted after driving under the influence of amphetamine...Absurdistan.Yesterday some busynesman driving with 200km/h smash a car&killed a french tourist.His wife is in coma.This guy was drunked&loaded on meth...supported with police car....after the accident policemen disappeared instead to help the dying people&arrest the killer.....Everyday car accidents with victims.Almost half of the drivers are drunked&,on speed....despite of heavily police presence on the roads......just people here are goin' totally insane&nobody gives a fuck of nothin'.....I tell u...there is no such place
 
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Why are any Iranians upset?

If they didn't want to live under Sharia Law they shouldn't have overthrown the liberal monarchy that was rapidly advancing them economically and culturally until the 1979 revolution when the vast majority of them thought it a great idea to murder a large number of the citizenry then replace the Shah with a theocratic dictatorship. While I feel sorry for the women of any Islamic culture, I feel little pity for Iranians themselves, as on the whole they embrace radical Islam, and have only themselves to blame for all their economic woes.

Before 79 they were one of the wealthiest, best educated nations in that region. Now they're the exact opposite. Alhamdulillah?
 
Allah be praised...for muslims.The Shah's government was so corrupt&,just an ordinary american puppet.Wealthy life was only for elite.A lot of muslim women in fact wants to wear a hijab...those who aren't under the west decadence values.Like srtongly orthodox women wear a veil,a scarf,which must covered the hair.....cause in the believe system of eastern people women's hair represent her nudity.....hard for u to understand for a westerner.....it's a whole void between these two structures....and for me like a person,who lived in between two worlds are far more easy to understand....The two systems are fundamental oposite.None of them is better than another.......just different worlds.
 
Burnt Offerings said:
A lot of the Iranians currently protesting were not even born when the 79 revolution took place
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Yeah that's fair. I was harsh. Secularism is the only way out of this type of oppression though. So hopefully Iranians can effect change, because we can't help them.
 
The muslims who overthrew persian monarchy where not true Iranians. Just as the case with other mulsim countries in the middle east. These invaders cross all the borders and overthrew demoracy to instill sharia in the law of allah and to steal all the oil for themselves. Plenty of iranians fled 1979 and many more fucking hate islam but can not do anything without getting stoned to death by the barbabic fucks who rule the country under a total diactorship.

Iran will be the first country to uprise vs islam in the middle east and it will spread. The new generations are slowly waking up to the bullshit that religion has forced upon people.
 
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Why are any Iranians upset?

If they didn't want to live under Sharia Law they shouldn't have overthrown the liberal monarchy that was rapidly advancing them economically and culturally until the 1979 revolution when the vast majority of them thought it a great idea to murder a large number of the citizenry then replace the Shah with a theocratic dictatorship. While I feel sorry for the women of any Islamic culture, I feel little pity for Iranians themselves, as on the whole they embrace radical Islam, and have only themselves to blame for all their economic woes.

Before 79 they were one of the wealthiest, best educated nations in that region. Now they're the exact opposite. Alhamdulillah?
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They're upset because a young woman who was visiting the city with her family was arrested by the "morality police" (this is the English translation for what they are called, it is a police force that looks for women not dressed properly and brings them to a detention center where they are "re-educated" and forced to swear to never again wear their hijab improperly), and while her family waited outside the center, she was killed. Or rather, she was taken to a hospital and pronounced dead shortly after. The official claim is that she collapsed and died of a heart attack but she was in her early 20s and healthy, and it's far from the first time women have been harmed in this way. For the women of Iran, this is the reality of life. Most of them have either been taken there at some point, or know someone who has been. There are a great many accounts of abuses perpetrated at this place. This particular young woman who died was actually wearing her hijab, she was arrested because it wasn't being worn "properly". The younger generation of women wants to have the choice in how they dress, many of them are fine with the hijab, but many of them find it a symbol of oppression. It's a more complex situation than it is in Afghanistan, where women are not allowed out of the home once they reach sexual maturity, and are not allowed to work or be educated beyond grade school. There, a woman can be legally stoned to death for not properly wearing the hijab. In Iran, women are allowed to be fully educated and there are women surgeons, lawyers, etc. Women are represented across all areas of life, but a woman's husband can decide for her whether or not she can work, and there are no protections against domestic abuse or sexual violence (not just from their husbands but from anyone). So women are doing better in Iran than in many areas that have fallen victim to the fundamentalist wave of islamic states that has taken over much of the muslim world in the past 4 to 5 decades, but the situation is still not good.
 
That is terrible. I don't think any change would be affected in Iran unless the current government is deposed though, considering its history. It's the men, the clerics really, and their inability to control their sexual urges/anger who kill women over silly shit like a mis-worn clothing accessory. And unfortunately, women don't really make up a fighting force that could kick off a revolution... so I guess they'll have to wait and hope their husbands, brothers, sons, and fathers can get the heck over themselves and their backwards traditions and move their society forward.
 
Xorkoth said:
They're upset because a young woman who was visiting the city with her family was arrested by the "morality police" (this is the English translation for what they are called, it is a police force that looks for women not dressed properly and brings them to a detention center where they are "re-educated" and forced to swear to never again wear their hijab improperly), and while her family waited outside the center, she was killed. Or rather, she was taken to a hospital and pronounced dead shortly after. The official claim is that she collapsed and died of a heart attack but she was in her early 20s and healthy, and it's far from the first time women have been harmed in this way. For the women of Iran, this is the reality of life. Most of them have either been taken there at some point, or know someone who has been. There are a great many accounts of abuses perpetrated at this place. This particular young woman who died was actually wearing her hijab, she was arrested because it wasn't being worn "properly". The younger generation of women wants to have the choice in how they dress, many of them are fine with the hijab, but many of them find it a symbol of oppression. It's a more complex situation than it is in Afghanistan, where women are not allowed out of the home once they reach sexual maturity, and are not allowed to work or be educated beyond grade school. There, a woman can be legally stoned to death for not properly wearing the hijab. In Iran, women are allowed to be fully educated and there are women surgeons, lawyers, etc. Women are represented across all areas of life, but a woman's husband can decide for her whether or not she can work, and there are no protections against domestic abuse or sexual violence (not just from their husbands but from anyone). So women are doing better in Iran than in many areas that have fallen victim to the fundamentalist wave of islamic states that has taken over much of the muslim world in the past 4 to 5 decades, but the situation is still not good.
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"Hisba" it's called.Relligious police.I talk with many Iranians.Young people.....they hide and go in private parties,wherw the helll break loose.All supress emotions falling down&people get really have avfun.Not talking about some orgies-just modern dresses young women dancing&flirting with boys.A normal thing.Hisba or moral police,which often can include a women in their structures are real assholes,worst than whitesupremacy fans policemen,who shot at black people without nothing in ur country..My point is that u cannot force something on people,who aren't ready yet for that thing-In ur case democracy....in middleaged minded people......or to rule country in which Sharia is law...like Saudi Arabia or Afganistan.U can do it ofcourse-thats happened things like this in Iran,but u cannot stop the flow of time.Every religion must have need of innovation somekind...to move with the time,to be able to win the heart of people....including our Orthodox....and when the soul of man had no place for spiritual development....well the nature does not allow empty space...then came the vice,overcomsuming,loss of balance,loneliness,greedness..
The Evil.We see the consequences now.Toxic planet on the verge of destruction......or may be rulling elites aren't humans indeed.The machine,that they themselfs are created is holdin' them tight&they have no choise?I really don't know.....what's goin'around,what's goin' with people...are we fundamentally same or different
 
I've been halfway following this on reddit and twitter. There are some people who argue that Iranian women are protesting against wearing the hijab while muslim women in western countries fight in favor of wearing the hijab. While true, I think the important thing to point out is that in BOTH cases, it isn't so much about the hijab as it is about patriarchal control.

When you think of the hijab being used as a tool of oppression, whether it is being forced to wear it or forced not to wear it, this all comes down to women being denied the right to choose to do what they want to do with their own body. Sound familiar yet?
 
In patriarchal society the women get secondary role u know.That does not mean that she is inferior to man looking through the eyes of those people.She is a mother first.Take care of children,take care of home....That are equally even much more important things,that man do.That's why such things like feminism in such societies sounds horrific for not only a men,vut a lot of women too.But lookin' through the eyes of the wrsterner all this looks like terrible opression.That's are different cultural values,different societies...it's not about a dominance a man above woman.It's a divine order.....that's how one believer-muslim would answer u.I have lived in arab country.....what can u say.....another world
 
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Wasn't Mohammed and his wife considered equals? And there is not one word in the Koran about women wearing hijabs. Not one. Islam is like all religions -- different doctrines for different types of practice. However, I do not think it is prudent for people from areas in the world who have never been to Iran, or any other country for that matter to concern themselves with issues that we may know nothing about. Unless these women are personally asking to be freed from their lives, we should care more about what is happening in our own lives. People need to know more about the history of Islamic and Sharia Law, and most of all, respect for other cultures before inserting opinions or getting involved.

However, I think many Muslims should not come to America and freely expect the judicial system except the Sharia Law that is practiced in their home countries. Take it back home, but do not expect America to adopt law from other countries. And, we need to all realize that we are all on the same planet and in the same boat, to say, so we should have more love and understanding for one another instead of criticisism and acromony.

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Every Muslim woman in the west I know wear one because they were raised that' its unholy not to wear one so they are brainwashed from the diaper on.
The woman in aran countries that are forced to wear it see it as a sign of oppression, something that hides their identity.
There was a protest in Toronto and on one side Muslim woman standing with their sisters . On the other side men screaming. I don't think it even made the news.
It should be a choice, not brainwashed and definitely not killed for it.
Western white women were there telling a 14 year old it's not a symbol of oppression. I wish I taped the 14 year Olds response.
These bored house wife's do more harm then damage.
 
Rainman1964 said:
Wasn't Mohammed and his wife considered equals? And there is not one word in the Koran about women wearing hijabs. Not one. Islam is like all religions -- different doctrines for different types of practice. However, I do not think it is prudent for people from areas in the world who have never been to Iran, or any other country for that matter to concern themselves with issues that we may know nothing about. Unless these women are personally asking to be freed from their lives, we should care more about what is happening in our own lives. People need to know more about the history of Islamic and Sharia Law, and most of all, respect for other cultures before inserting opinions or getting involved.

However, I think many Muslims should not come to America and freely expect the judicial system except the Sharia Law that is practiced in their home countries. Take it back home, but do not expect America to adopt law from other countries. And, we need to all realize that we are all on the same planet and in the same boat, to say, so we should have more love and understanding for one another instead of criticisism and acromony.

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I disagree. If the world can fight for oil it can fight to free woman.
No body deserves to be stoned to death for not wearing a non religious item.
 
Just as Christians disown the kkk why do Muslims stay quiet on their version which harms their own people. They will say that's not Islam but that's about it.
My native/white butt went to the protest because I believe in women's rights while the so called feminist, Trudeau included went to star bucks for pumkin spice something.
 
This is a great read by Yasmin Mohamed

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UNVEILED: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam​



www.yasminemohammed.com

Human Rights Activist | Yasmine Mohammed

Canadian human rights campaigner, Yasmine Mohammed, advocates for the rights of women living within Islamic majority countries, as well as those who struggle under religious fundamentalism.
www.yasminemohammed.com www.yasminemohammed.com
 
Jennn said:
Just as Christians disown the kkk why do Muslims stay quiet on their version which harms their own people. They will say that's not Islam but that's about it.
My native/white butt went to the protest because I believe in women's rights while the so called feminist, Trudeau included went to star bucks for pumkin spice something.
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A lot of Muslim organizations, groups, politicians etc. have criticized violent extremism

For example


On the other hand, the political situation in the Middle East is often very complex, with a lot of different layers...some regimes that the United States has supported, like Saudi Arabia for example, have provided material support for terrorist and religious extremist groups in the past, while other regimes that the USA has been dead-set against, like Syria or (eventually) Iraq, under the Baathist Arab nationalist regimes, took a very hard line against religious extremists. Israel initially fostered the growth of organizations like Hamas as a way to split and divide the Palestinians, who had previously been under the sway of secular political organizations like the PFLP.

You see that kind of stuff all the time in that part of the world. There's a lot of complexity regarding all these nuances within Islam that I don't understand at all, plus issues related to imperialism, geopolitics, nationalism, etc. I know that all of those factors are definitely at play in Iran
 
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