Problems with Iv'n and Im;ing!! Im so frusterated some one help

[pirates_]

I am having a lot of trouble getting to the viens. The veins popping out, I stick it in, and I dont get that flash of blood. Ive been able to do it maybe 5 times, but I have failed probally 50 times. What am I doing wrong

Now on to my am problem, me and my gf stick our SEPERATE needles into the same places on are arms and our legs and we always end up with knots and or bruises.. It sucks! what am i doing wrong. We put the rig in, pull back a bit, and shoot away. The less painful way for me is IV'n but like i said I cant do it!

and one more bonus question, is tolerance supposed to jump up so quick, 2 weeks ago a match head would of fucked me up, now i gotta do at least a .15 to get something, i wouldnt even say a nod..just a buzz help

 

[Tommyboy]

Don't IM it, you will get an abscess a lot quicker that way than you would by IVing.

 

[pirates_]

Don't IM it, you will get an abscess a lot quicker that way than you would by IVing.

But i cant IV it either ahhh this sucks

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Read up on proper IV technique, how to find ideal veins and the best vein locations, etc. You really don't want to miss a shot or have to puncture yourself a bunch of times. My biggest tips would probably be:
- Use fresh needles ever time you even try to hit a vein. Needles dull extremely fast and it's much harder to hit with even a slightly dull needle.
- When you insert the needle, do it at a shallow angle, then draw back on the plunger a bit to register. If no blood enters the syringe, keep the plunger drawn back and gently move the needle a bit deeper or shallower. This way as soon as it is in the vein blood will enter. Once that happens don't move it and draw back a tiny bit more to make sure it is still in the vein.

 

[ketamolicane]

sometimes i find being tied off too tightly will make it harder to draw

 

[muvolution]

Read the links in my signature and report back if you are still having issues.

DO NOT I'M anything not made for I'M (anything but ampules)

 

[effie]

I would like to reiterate - do NOT IM it! IMing can be regarded as more risky than IV in some ways - with IV, the foreign particleds and bacteria are swept away in the blood stream where they can be dealt with by the body's immune system. With IM, they sit in the muscle and can be a focus of infection, potentially leading to abscesses, septicaemia, tissue infection/damage and amputation. As muv said, the only safe thing to IM is a sterile ampoule designed to be administered in that way. If you do IM anything else a micron filter is essential, but even then it's not what I would consider safe by any stretch of the imagination.

Good technique is essential. Do take a look at the threads muv has in his signature. Make sure you use a fresh needle every time (even if you miss - it blunts really quickly, making IVing a lot harder and also causing more tissue/vein damage), rotate your injection sites to keep the veins healthy, take a look at a vein map perhaps and select your vein well (try to find one that doesn't roll and is not too tiny or fragile, or in an awkward position) but bear in mind people's anatomy varies so it's vital you know how to identify a vein. Essentially, veins have no pulse where as arteries do - other signs such as bright red blood, forceful flow and pain with arterial injection are less reliable. Try running your arms under warm water or lifting weights beforehand.

It can sometimes help to have someone experienced demonstrate for you, but bear in mind even long-term users can have a poor technique!

Have you considered other ROAs such as plugging? Much safer and still usually has a pretty high bioavailability - and can even give a rush of some sorts, depending on what drug you are taking..

Tolerance certainly can bump up pretty fast. If this is happening for you it might be a good idea to try to cut down or switch to another ROA..

 

[pirates_]

Thanks for the all responses.I looked threw the links and I am still having a hard time, ugh this sucks so bad. IM is the only way i can do it. snorting is a waste and iv isnt working. One problem I have is getting my viens for my other arm to pop out. Is there anything i can do to get my veins ready? Warm/cold packs? push ups? asprin? also what other viens can i use? I heard the ones on the hand are good, but those viens roll around too much. What about the green veins on my wrist? Im scared im going to end up hurting my self. I know you guys said try a new roa, but I feel like a mouse trying to get the cheese. Despite the pain, i still keep trying and trying and trying. My gf also has no viens that show up in her arms either. If someone can help me. I owe you 100 favors.. if needed I will take this to a pm with a good user. thanks. or shoot we can even talk over the phone

As far as im, I take every precaution. I use clean needles If not brand new i soak them in alchohol. I clean the site before and after, I rub the muscle that way the liquid is absorbed better into the blood rather than just sitting there. I even take antibiotics that were prescribed for abcesses every other day just to aid in the battle,.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

When you IM are you using a micron filter to filter the solution first? As mentioned before, plugging is a great alternative. What drug are you doing by the way?

There are things you can do to get your veins to show more. You can exercise and apply heat (have a warm bath or shower or put a warm wet cloth on the area; keep the room warm). Cold packs and aspirin will have the reverse effect. Make sure you are well hydrated and well nourished, and try not to smoke cigarettes right beforehand. Drinking lots of water (room temp or warmer) really helps. The other thing is that you don't actually need to be able to see the vein, you can learn how to feel for veins. If a vein rolls, hold it stable with your fingers - it can take some practice to be able to do this if you are injecting into your arm and therefore only have one free hand with which to hold the syringe and the vein, but it is possible. You can also use a tourniquet. Get a proper synthetic-rubber tourniquet from a needle exchange or other harm reduction outreach source, or purchase one online. Click here for a diagram and instructions on how to tie it.

Wrists and hands are not the best area, as those veins are small and delicate and close to nerves. If you are going to use your wrist area the back is usually better than the front. But try other places on your arms first. You can also use the veins on the insides of your legs, just avoid the really deep veins inside your legs and avoid the groin area. Look at some vein maps.

Did you try my tips above?

- Use fresh needles every time you even try to hit. Needles dull extremely fast and it's much harder to hit with even a slightly dull needle. Look at this:

- When you insert the needle, do it at a shallow angle, then draw back on the plunger a bit to register. If no blood enters the syringe, keep the plunger drawn back and gently move the needle a bit deeper or shallower. This way as soon as it is in the vein blood will enter. Once that happens don't move it and draw back a tiny bit more to make sure it is still in the vein. This technique helps hugely.

Here's a vein care guide: AIVL's Vein Care Guide

Here's a vein map for the arm: (try to avoid where the veins cross arteries)

NSFW:

Here's a vein map for the leg: (but stay away from the femoral vein)

NSFW:

the one shown in pink, the great saphenous vein, which runs down the inside of the leg, is the best.

 

[pirates_]

When you IM are you using a micron filter to filter the solution first? As mentioned before, plugging is a great alternative. What drug are you doing by the way?

There are things you can do to get your veins to show more. You can exercise and apply heat (have a warm bath or shower or put a warm wet cloth on the area; keep the room warm). Cold packs and aspirin will have the reverse effect. Make sure you are well hydrated and well nourished, and try not to smoke cigarettes right beforehand. Drinking lots of water (room temp or warmer) really helps. The other thing is that you don't actually need to be able to see the vein, you can learn how to feel for veins. If a vein rolls, hold it stable with your fingers - it can take some practice to be able to do this if you are injecting into your arm and therefore only have one free hand with which to hold the syringe and the vein, but it is possible. You can also use a tourniquet. Get a proper synthetic-rubber tourniquet from a needle exchange or other harm reduction outreach source, or purchase one online. Click here for a diagram and instructions on how to tie it.

Wrists and hands are not the best area, as those veins are small and delicate and close to nerves. If you are going to use your wrist area the back is usually better than the front. But try other places on your arms first. You can also use the veins on the insides of your legs, just avoid the really deep veins inside your legs and avoid the groin area. Look at some vein maps.

Did you try my tips above?

- Use fresh needles every time you even try to hit. Needles dull extremely fast and it's much harder to hit with even a slightly dull needle. Look at this:

- When you insert the needle, do it at a shallow angle, then draw back on the plunger a bit to register. If no blood enters the syringe, keep the plunger drawn back and gently move the needle a bit deeper or shallower. This way as soon as it is in the vein blood will enter. Once that happens don't move it and draw back a tiny bit more to make sure it is still in the vein. This technique helps hugely.

Here's a vein care guide: AIVL's Vein Care Guide

Here's a vein map for the arm: (try to avoid where the veins cross arteries)

NSFW:

Here's a vein map for the leg: (but stay away from the femoral vein)

NSFW:

the one shown in pink, the great saphenous vein, which runs down the inside of the leg, is the best.

Thanks for the info, and I know what your saying about the new rigs. Everytime I make a succesful stick its always with a brand new sharp point. As for using a micronfilter, no I am not using one, those things are a bit pricey, and I am a junkie who rather spend money on dope than being safe but what i do is filter it once with cotton, let it cool, expel the liquid again and filter it again with cotton. I also hold up to the light to make sure i dont see anything floating around in there. I know it isnt full proof, but its all i can do for right now. One thing i did try was leaving plunger pulled back, and moving it in and out to see if i can get it to register, not no dice. Right now I think my problem is the angle and the depth in which im going in. I cant seem to find that sweet spot all the time. For the mean time I am going to go ahead and check out the resources you posted up in hopes of finding something thats gonna make me say "ahhh thats what im not doing right" thanks again brutha

 

[muvolution]

Damn dude, you are treading on thin ice. If I was not clear in my first post, let me be perfectly so:
IM IS NOT EVEN AN OPTION. IT IS NOT "SAFE", EVEN WHEN COMPARED TO THE INHERENTLY UNSAFE PRACTICE OF IV USE. Do not IM your drugs.
Either snort or plug. Plugging has a better BA, and if done properly can result in a "rush" so to speak, although I cannot personally attest to this.

Once you pierce the skin, aspirate the syringe by pulling back on the plunger, this will give the appearance of an air bubble, but it is a vacuum. Now that it is aspirated, keep it that way, and continue inserting the point of the syringe at a downward angle angle, maybe 25 degrees above your arm. Almays point it towards the heart (in the direction your blood is flowing) also the bevel always points up. Anyways, when you hit the vein, because there is a vacuum in the syringe, it will register immediately.

I cannot disuade you strongly enough from continuing down this path. Bluelight offers forums like TDS and Healthy Living if you wish to remediate the effects of hard drug use. Anyways, if you must shoot drugs, stick to iv or shooting em into yer bum.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Thanks for the info, and I know what your saying about the new rigs. Everytime I make a succesful stick its always with a brand new sharp point. As for using a micronfilter, no I am not using one, those things are a bit pricey, and I am a junkie who rather spend money on dope than being safe but what i do is filter it once with cotton, let it cool, expel the liquid again and filter it again with cotton. I also hold up to the light to make sure i dont see anything floating around in there. I know it isnt full proof, but its all i can do for right now. One thing i did try was leaving plunger pulled back, and moving it in and out to see if i can get it to register, not no dice. Right now I think my problem is the angle and the depth in which im going in. I cant seem to find that sweet spot all the time. For the mean time I am going to go ahead and check out the resources you posted up in hopes of finding something thats gonna make me say "ahhh thats what im not doing right" thanks again brutha

I don't think you're going to find that one secret that's going to solve all your problems and instantly allow you to hit.. IV drug use is a complicated thing.. and even experienced users run into problems where veins that were once easy to hit no longer are.. so we have to adjust our technique and constantly adapt to the damage we are doing to our veins.

Where exactly on your arm are you trying to hit and what gauge/needle length rig are you using? That'll help in trying to determine proper technique for you. Also, what is the condition of your veins? Are they readily visible without a tie? Or are they hard to see?

 

[pirates_]

Once you pierce the skin, aspirate the syringe by pulling back on the plunger, this will give the appearance of an air bubble, but it is a vacuum. Now that it is aspirated, keep it that way, and continue inserting the point of the syringe at a downward angle angle, maybe 25 degrees above your arm. Almays point it towards the heart (in the direction your blood is flowing) also the bevel always points up. Anyways, when you hit the vein, because there is a vacuum in the syringe, it will register immediately.

Ahh that may be what im a doing wrong. I wait till im way deep in to pull the plunger back. If I pull it back as soon as im in, it will create the vacuum thefore allowing me to see the flash of blood as soon as I am in.. I will try this.

on another note. I have some what of a beef with people saying IM'ing leads to abcesses. Ive been doing it for about 2 months now, and not once have I gotten one. I live right next to a pharmacy that sales 10 rigs for 4 bucks so I always have clean ones, I massage the muscle so, and ensure that my solution is not thick. This I believe allows the drug to be absorbed into the blood easier. I also take a strong antibiotic that was prescribed for abcesses.

I also did some reading and found that abcesses are caused by the staph bacteria. If there is no staph present and all my gear and skin are sterlized than I should be fine. no? Either way you guys scared me enough so i chopped my dope down into powder with lactose and a 25 mg promethazine tablet for snorting..
but really I would like to discuss how abcesses form.

got it.. I did pulled it back as soon as i broke skin, and when i hit the vien POW! a red cloud floated.. some might of spilled out after i pulled the shot out tho.. it kind of burned.. nething i should worry about it! thanks guys

 

[Swimmingdancer]

^The problem is that you are not sterilizing everything. It is impossible to completely sterilize things at home, and if you are using street drugs the drugs themselves are not sterile. You are not even micron filtering them. And what kind of water are you using? I know how you feel, it's not like you IM once and are guaranteed to get an abscess, but it's not good for you. You yourself said you get knots and bruises where you IM. It can irritate the tissues and/or become infected more easily.

An abscess can be caused by any foreign material, usually bacteria, but is not limited to Staph. An abscess is a collection of pus that accumulates in a cavity formed by the tissue, usually caused by bacteria, parasites, or other foreign objects/particles. An abscess can cause the surrounding tissues to die, causing gangrene (ever seen the movie Requiem for a Dream?). If you get an abscess deep under the skin it can be harder to treat.

Also, when you IM, you can accidentally inject into an artery or vein. You need to pull back the plunger on the syringe to check and make sure no blood enters the before you IM.

Taking antibiotics frequently is not good for you either. It is bad for your immune system and digestive system and can make bacteria resistant to the antibiotics. Best to just reduce your risks of infection and only take antibiotics when you really need them. There are also many bacteria which are resistant to antibiotics and one antibiotic is not going to ensure you are protected from all bacteria.

 

[pirates_]

^The problem is that you are not sterilizing everything. It is impossible to completely sterilize things at home, and if you are using street drugs the drugs themselves are not sterile. You are not even micron filtering them. And what kind of water are you using? I know how you feel, it's not like you IM once and are guaranteed to get an abscess, but it's not good for you. You yourself said you get knots and bruises where you IM. It can irritate the tissues and/or become infected more easily.

An abscess can be caused by any foreign material, usually bacteria, but is not limited to Staph. An abscess is a collection of pus that accumulates in a cavity formed by the tissue, usually caused by bacteria, parasites, or other foreign objects/particles. An abscess can cause the surrounding tissues to die, causing gangrene (ever seen the movie Requiem for a Dream?). If you get an abscess deep under the skin it can be harder to treat.

Also, when you IM, you can accidentally inject into an artery or vein. You need to pull back the plunger on the syringe to check and make sure no blood enters the before you IM.

Taking antibiotics frequently is not good for you either. It is bad for your immune system and digestive system and can make bacteria resistant to the antibiotics. Best to just reduce your risks of infection and only take antibiotics when you really need them. There are also many bacteria which are resistant to antibiotics and one antibiotic is not going to ensure you are protected from all bacteria.

Im aware that the plunger must be pulled back to ensure that I did not hit a vein or artery, but I have done my research and know the safer places to IM. As far as abcesses go, I will probally continue to IM until I end up getting one or until my technique improves. Only other problem i am having is that my gf has no other choice to IM because her veins do not show up what so ever. I tie her arm with a band, push, rub, etc...and no dice on getting the veins to come out. What options do we have as far as injecting? She says she would be okay with shooting into the veins on the hand, but I am no pro. I have no idea as to what angle to go in at, or how to stop the veins from rolling. Any advice for me here?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Just the same advice I already gave you

- go in at a very shallow angle (especially with small veins)
- you don't actually need to be able to see the vein, you can learn how to feel for veins
- you can also guess where a vein might be from moving up or down an inch or 2 from the location of a spot you used to be able to hit
- if a vein is prone to rolling, hold the skin taught to keep it stable with your fingers
- get a real tourniquet and learn how to tie it properly
- apply heat, take a hot shower, etc, exercise
- drink lots of water and eat something
- has your gf tried her legs?
- seriously consider other ROAs such as rectal

 

[Tricsta]

Bro, strap your arm up, pump your hand tight, hold a closed fist, new fit.. slight angle, don't go too far in, otherwise you'll go right the through your vein. Make sure there is no air..