preparing pure codeine phosphate into a Intra-muscular shot

[chugs]

Mods feel free to move this into the codeine thread but my question; I have pure codeine tablets and would like to know the steps into preparing it into a sterile shot for a I.M injecting. The interweb seems to indicate that pharmacological prepared codeine phosphate is injectable but of course I have the tablets and therefore need to remove the binder etc before injecting.

 

[drug_mentor]

I am really not sure that codeine is 100% safe to use even IM, although I could be wrong on that. I would guess you would prepare it in a similar manner as you would dexies or endones. I know from your posts that you are a pretty regular heroin user and if you are using codeine tablets I am skeptical that you will manage to get an adequate dose into a particularly small amount of water, purely speculation though as I have never done it.

 

[Crankinit]

I'm gonna go with 'don't do it'. We know IV codeine can be very dangerous, and there's no evidence for IM codeine either way, so it's better to err on the side of caution.

That said, if you insist on going ahead, you should be fine as long as you run them through a micron filter. I've IM'd pills plenty of times after using a micron filter and never had a problem.

I don't see how this is viable unless your pills are much higher than the usual 30mg dose, dissolving a decent dose of codeine in water would take enough water that you'd be preparing and injecting multiple shots, it would be faster and probably just as effective to dose orally.

 

[Sustanon]

Dont do it man unless you are prepared to get abscesses. You could use a micron filter mentioned above but I still would refrain from using it. Are the ones u have called fortes? Im not really sure why youd want this. Quicker onset? Stronger effects? For me personally id rather up the dose then. The most important thing is it need to be metabolized into morphine and the BA for Codeine is already high as it is, prob the best option out of all of them would be Oral.

 

[chugs]

Dont do it man unless you are prepared to get abscesses. You could use a micron filter mentioned above but I still would refrain from using it.

yeah micron filters was the way i guess. i would imagine i need a massive rig with a butterfly clip/tube to do it. bummer about the abscesses but then again isn't this a risk with all types of IM injections, or is more so the problem with codeine?

Are the ones u have called fortes?

codeine phosphate is what is on the foil pack. pure codeine 30mg.

The most important thing is it need to be metabolized into morphine and the BA for Codeine is already high as it is, prob the best option out of all of them would be Oral.

cool. was reading about how medically codeine can be administered via IM injection. In fact just read a abstract/study about how they administered it to children for post-op pain and they were trying to work out if rectal or IM were better. they found the onset for IM codeine was the fastest.

so i guess there are liquid forms of codeine prepared for medical purposes and i was wondering how one goes about converting codeine phosphate into such a solution (if at all its possible)

 

[pinkanga]

Just curious but why not just dissolve whatever dosage you require in like 100ml of water? Would hit you in less than 20mins. Admittedly not the same as injecting but I assume if youre a heroin user its just an interim maintenance type dosage.

Id be curious how much left over shit you end up with after dissolving pure codeine tablets. If you end up doing it.

 

[spacejunk]

bummer about the abscesses but then again isn't this a risk with all types of IM injections, or is more so the problem with codeine?

i don't know about codeine specifically, but abscesses are far more likely when shooting something not-intended-for-injection IM. pills and street powders, in other words.
it's pretty hard to guarantee that you are not going to be injecting any soluble binders or other things which are likely to cause an infection. would be a different story if you had liquid codeine intended to be injected IM but it's pretty much impossible to insure it is sterile and pure otherwise.

have you considered plugging it? may be just as effective...and certainly safer. %)

 

[pinkanga]

I assume the objective is to avoid the liver doing its thing?

 

[spacejunk]

^not necessarily...i don't know how the pro-drug action of codeine is affected in this sense (ie is the liver the main converter of codeine into morphine etc?) but generally people attempt different routes of administration in order to get the substance into the bloodstream faster and/or more efficiently.

drugs all have different bioavailability in different modes of administration - some are very active orally, and others not at all.

there are a lot of variables, and some people have preferred ways of administering drugs, such as sniffing, or in the case of some opiate users, intravenous injection. with codeine this is potentially deadly, hence the talk of intramuscular injection, or my tentative suggestion of rectal administration.

it's worth further research, in the very least. it's not something i would be interested in trying (without a glowing recommendation, that is!) because i would simply ingest it.
however, i definitely wouldn't IM codeine extracted from pills, and not because i have a problem with needles or anything - just not something i do in risky circumstances. if the OP is keen to do something other than eat them, plugging might be worth considering.
there's got to be info elsewhere on bluelight about such things, and if not, there must surely be someone on the internet who has tried plugging codeine.

 

[8ft-Sativa]

If Codiene doesn't bypass the liver it can result in fluid in the lungs (I.V) please don't I.V it ... if you do though give me a headsup and i'll prepare an amazing playlist for your funeral. Starting with minimal house and working up to some deep house

Ie ... Just eat it like everyone else.

Note, codeine can't be administered safely by IV (intravenously) injection as it can result in pulmonary edema (fluid in lungs), facial swelling and other life threatening complications. http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml

 

[Sustanon]

Not really sure Chugs as to why you would prefer this ROA? Quicker onset im assuming but seriously Codeine orally hits within 10 minutes. The negatives outweigh the positives with IM Codeine. Spacejunk hit the nail on the head, you wouldnt want to risk binders and otehr shit either which in many cases can and more than likely cause problems for you. Like I mentioned before you need the liver to metabolize it into morphine and oral is the one of the most effective ways of doing this. By injecting it u will by pass the first metabolism. It will just wonder around ur system and then finally get metabolized by the liver but at a slower rate which means it wont hit u faster or any harder.

 

[Crankinit]

You still can't pump that much water into a muscle. Even a 3ml IM shot leaves the injection site swollen and sore, and will leak if you don't do it deep enough and/or leave the needle in for a minute or two. I've no idea what the kind of sized shot you'd need to inject codeine would do, but I can't imagine it's good.

A muscle isn't a vein, veins are made for carrying liquid around your body quickly, muscles are solid flesh.

Likewise, even high doses of morphine sets off an uncomfortable histamine reaction around the injection side, I'd hate to see what codeine would do.

 

[chugs]

ok fair enough guys - thanks for the feedback. i was under the idea that with these tablets (there very small) that it was possible and as i've noted there is a medically prepared solution for IM codeine injections. (i've been trying to find the product itself i.e. in ampule form). but no matter. i'll close the books on trying.

by the way i do like deep house 8ft-Sativa....but not at my funeral

 

[8ft-Sativa]

by the way i do like deep house 8ft-Sativa....but not at my funeral

Fuck yeah I went to Strawberry Fields this year and dabbled in deep house for the first time ... Goddamn off the hook genre!

 

[Sustanon]

Deep house is the best man. Look up Sezer Uysal, Evren Ulusoy, Domased Electronica and Deepsense. There my top 4 djs atm, now to be back on topic, music is awesome to listen to on codeine, it enhances it by a ton

 

[heythatsmybike]

codeine needs to be metabolised into morphine via the liver. im pretty sure skipping this process is quite toxic

 

[L3inad]

I assume the objective is to avoid the liver doing its thing?

Generally the idea of any ROA other than oral is to avoid first pass metabolism (loss of drug before it even enters general circulation) and/or higher bio-availability. In the case of codeine you dont need to avoid first pass metabolism as conversion of codeine > morphine happens here. The only advantage of IV/IM is higher bioavailabilty, but this can be achieved to effectively the same level via plugging.

No real benefit at all from injecting over plugging, probably no more than ~5% increase in bioavailability, with what would be near identical onsets.

codeine needs to be metabolised into morphine via the liver. im pretty sure skipping this process is quite toxic

Not toxic at all, bypassing first pass metabolism just means it enters your bloodstream before going through the liver. Its still going to come back round through the liver later. Even if codeine doesn't get metabolised into morphine (like in CYP2D6 poor metabolisers) its not toxic, just inactive and gets excreted by other means.

 

[opi8]

Codeine can be administered via IM injection, but I would not recommend IM'ing any kind of pills, only medical grade ampoules specifically meant for IM injection.

One of the richest men in the world at the time (early 1900's) Howard Hughes was known for injecting codeine via IM all the time to manage his pain.

X-rays revealed five broken-off hypodermic needles in the flesh of his arms. To inject codeine into his muscles, Hughes used glass syringes with metal needles that easily became detached.

I always wondered why he didn't just IV morphine, it would have been much better in every way than IM codeine.

 

[Dr Phibes]

Only read some answers but all I can think of is - what is the point? Is something else going on here?

 

[spacejunk]

One of the richest men in the world at the time (early 1900's) Howard Hughes was known for injecting codeine via IM all the time to manage his pain.


I always wondered why he didn't just IV morphine, it would have been much better in every way than IM codeine.

no wonder he was always freaking out about germs!