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Powerade, Gatorade etc. dangerous with E?

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I saw a little info book at school called 'ecstasy: facts and fiction' and picked it up for a bit of a laugh. it's by the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre, University of NSW...
they actually seem to get a lot of the facts straight. they do, however, mention that one shouldn't drink isotonic sports drinks such as Gatorade or Powerade when rolling, because it can 'interact with ecstasy and cause a dangerous increase in blood pressure.'
in the Enlighten pamphlet (I'm reading the .pdf now, good job guys), it mentions that drinking something like Powerade is a good idea when rolling.
??? just curious. it may seem like a stupid question, but um, say KNOW to drugs and all that. heh heh.
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Not sure about the increase in blood preasure etc and it being bad for you. All the research tends to point towards isotonic drinks as being good in an environment where you may sweat out a lot. Its good to replace those salts and minerals.
It would be the 'energy' drinks like V, Red Bull yadda that would be the ones to avoid perhaps.
 
Being isotonic means that your body can take out what it wants, and leave the rest, without having to put in much effort. If drinking isotonic fluids whilst pilling increased your blood pressure... I would have exploded years ago
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I do find all the iso-hypo-hype tonicity/balance of fluids in the extracellular environment stuff pretty confusing tho... but I think I have it right.
ummmm.... also I always drink powerade during/after pilling... it seems to help my body get back to normal... and me get to sleep (due to my body being sorted... and my heart rate returning to normal).
 
RaveSafe recommends if on MDMA:
1 isotonic drink followed by water, 250ml/hour if you're not physically active and 500ml/hour if you are.
The reasoning behind the isotonic drink is that by raising your body's electrolyte levels slightly you reduce the liklihood of water crossing the blood /brain barrier and causing hydrocephalus type conditions.
merc
 
I was once given a drug offensive portfolio that has only produced to scare little kids from ever taking drugs. Funnily enough it doesn't talk about the problems of alkihol or smoking.
Don't believe everything you read
 
apparently, women have a greater danger of developing hyponatremia (brain swelling from drinking too much water, as per anna woods and some poor girl in the usa this week) this is because of the way we are made, and our estrogen levels - we tend to retain water more readily.
since i heard that, i tend to drink mostly gatorade while rolling, speeding etc. i dont drink much, however.. maybe 2 bottles over several hours, plus some sharing w/ other ppl out of those bottles. this is my own personal level tho that works for me. on comedown, i drink *lots* of both water and gatorade mixed until i sleep.
the reasoning is that w/ isotonic drinks you can not only replace your fluids, but also electrolytes (like salt) which are very important to cell function. the drinks are specially designed to quench thirst w/ *less fluid*! therefore, you require a little less drink overall, and are in lesser danger of hyponatremia.
as w/ all things tho, use common sense to judge what you should drink. the suggestion by ravesafe qld is a good one, and enlighten may consider amending their lit somewhat to include something abt not doing that if you have a blood pressure problem or something, and to alternate w/ water.
thing is, i've heard of ppl dying from hyponatremia, but i havent heard of ppl dying cuz they drank gatorade while rolling.
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weneed to see the actual quote before discussing this further. i hope it's a misunderstanding and the original pamphlet says "energy drinks" like red bull etc, not"sports drinks".
redbull, v, black stallion contain not only caffiene but heaps of gurana, taurine, ginseng, and other natural stimulants. drink two or three of these and you will be raising your blood pressure, regardless of what else you have taken.
the danger with mixing these drinks with MDMA is far less than the mixing of MDMA with amphetamines, and how many of us do that all the time? you just have to be sensible about it.
if you have a pre-existing heart or blood pressure problem it is foolish to stack a whole bunch of stimulants on each other. if you have a condition, and arent aware of it, one sure way of finding out is taking a few pills, a g of goey, 17 red bulls and a viagra. the way you find out is your heart explodes and you die. it has happened.
it just goes to show the value of knowing yourself, and your body's limitations.
 
With the viagra JB, it problably won't be the heart that explodes...
 
Just a general comment,
went to the NDARC site to see if I could find this pamphlet http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/ndarc/default.htm
Seems you can only order them, the results are not available on-line. I would of thought all results of research would be available to the general public (being a government institution (does it really belong to us?), good will for mankind yadda yadda)
Again through the techinical articles, you can only order them.
Is there any resource that has these available that I could get through over the web? Strange that it is not there listed for free for personal non-commercial use...
(now back to our regular schedualed thread topic...)
 
Good point JB on the energy drinks. They would certainly elevate your blood pressure, but in perspective, it's not dangerous unless you have a pre-existing medical condition.
If anyone has concerns about this, and are worried you might have enough of a heart problem to cause yourself damage... well if you're like me and don't like the taste of Red Bull... drinking 17 cans in one night may not be an attractive option. (I wouldn't even take a sip mayte!)
So:
Just ask your doctor to check you out if you've had any previous symptoms like fainting, short strong headaches when sitting/laying down, irregular heartbeat, chest pains, a heart murmur when you were younger, or a family history of heart problems.
If you haven't had any warning signs, you should be fine.
If you have a heart problem you can still enjoy illegal chemicals.
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Just get yourself some medication to carry about with you.
 
Hey Ravesafe Queensland, can you that hydrocephalus type condition extend after you roll. That is couple of weeks after you have taken a pill. Cos lately whenever i drink a lot of water my brain feels as if there is pressure on it and feels like it will explode. Its a bit scary. I get a bit un-coordinated as well.
Maybe i should see a doctor or you reckon this will go away?
 
Hi RollinAlong,
If ever in doubt, see a GP. If you feel embarrassed to talk to your family GP, there are a probably a number of practices in your capital city that have anonymous/numbered consultation, and if not, try going to the doc in another suburb (though it may be more difficult to communicate your history this way).
Doctors are there to help you with medical care and advice.
BigTrancer
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from the enlighten pamphlet.
Hyponatremia and cerebral edema
Excess consumption of water can lead to an abnormal fluid and electrolyte balance. The human body maintains an equilibrium of electrolytes including salt in the bloodstream as part of its normal operation. Sweating during MDMA use and high activity levels cause both electrolytes and water to be lost. Replacing these with water only (in large quantities) can upset the delicate balance, and hyponatremia can result. This can lead to cerebral edema, a swelling of the brain, causing brain damage, paralysis and death. It is very rare for this to occur, dehydration is a more likely side effect of MDMA, especially if dancing. One way to prevent both dehydration and hyponatremia is to drink an electrolyte drink such as Powerade, or fruit juice, rather than water. Be sure to sip drinks frequently, rather than gulping large quantities.
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maybe that should read "as well as water" rather than "instead of" just to be on the safe side. ah the importance of language! this is the kind of feedback we need for lit so keep it up peeps
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I guess this is where it comes down to knowing your own body!! Nearly a science in its self. Water, fruitjuice and sports drinks are all good in moderation. There shouldnt be a set amount of liquid intake, because we are all shapes and sizes(know your own body)If you suffer from a heart condition and roll then you are toying with your life!! The problem with dehydration is that you dont feel it until it has already taken effect. Guidlines are needed though!!
 
As samadhi pointed out, you need to know your own body, these guildlines are just that, guilelines, they aren't rules by which you must abide and not stray from...
I usually drink about 350ml of water every couple of hours if I'm not dancing much, much less than the suggested 250ml every hour... I've had no problems from this amount of comsumption and kinda feel bloated if I drink more anyway...
When I'm dancing a lot that amount increases, but the amount and length of my spurts of activity are too varied to be able to give a proper estimation of the amount of water I need to drink...
RollingAlong: Don't stress yaself out too much, just go see a doctor as BT suggested, and then hopefully you'll see you don't have anything to worry about and just don't need to drink so much water... But check with a GP to be certain...
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But when the roll is well over you can drink as much as you want can't you? I mean my last roll was like 3 weeks ago and still feeling this way. Truly hope my brain is not haemorriging or anything. Anyway i will see a doctor just in case.
Looks like i won't be Rollin Along for awhile
 
Good comments on this topic. Remember what's been said about your body's individual response to a substance. Some people may experience slight renal insufficiency on MDMA causing a further rise in body temp. and more sweating. It is important to maintain your body's fluid volume if you do sweat a lot, as this can further exacerbate renal conditions.
Drinking too many electrolyte drinks can raise your blood levels to a dangerous degree if your're highly active while rolling. While increasing osmolality and reducing chance of edema, it can also place a dangerous strain on the heart.
Supplementing 250-500ml of water/ hour with 1 sports drink every 2-3 hours is what we recommend if you're dancing hard.
Try to assess how much water your body is using. Consider your state and the environment you are in. Are you sweating more than normal?, are you urinating more or less than normal? How long have you been dancing without a break?
Regrouping can help assess how you are feeling. If in any doubt, check with the harm minimisation team at your event... something every club and rave should have...wE wISH
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JB mentioned pep drinks. This is particularly true. An article appeared in Mixmag a couple of years ago titled
"Rxx Bxxx is not a food group" as people were thinking they could sustain all their nutritional requirements over several days with it.
RollinAlong. I agree, see a GP. Get one with which you feel free in confiding any relevant details of your lifestyle. Holistically speaking, what's a diagnosis if such things not considered?
merc
 
erm. sorry, what a time to have server problems. I've been offline for a few days, and I know it's a bit late, but here are some actual quotes from the pamphlet, to clear up any misunderstandings...
Don't drink isotonic sports drinks like Gatorade or Powerade because they can interact with ecstasy and cause a dangerous increase in blood pressure
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The best guide is that if you are inactive (ie. not dancing) then you should drink about 250ml (a small bottle) of water or fruit juice per hour
If you are active (ie. dancing or doing some other strenuous physical activity), you should aim to drink about 500ml (one big bottle) of water or fruit juice per hour
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