Opioids powder heroin for the first time

[Ashley26]

Yeah pm if you got any other questions. One quick question... are you taking sub just to get by for a little bit or as a SMT program?

I've been seeing a doctor for awhile. To be honest, I've had period where I did well on it, but lately I've just been using the Sub's to hold off withdrawal until I get more Oxy

 

[Tommyboy]

OP, there was a time when NYC bags regularly weighed .1, but that's pretty rare now, but some crews still put out bags that size on the reg. Most people equate a bag (sniffed) to equal 60mg of oxycodone (oral). It varied a lot though. I've had bags twice that strength, and half that strength, but on average 60mg seems to be common. I always sniff half of a bag first to gauge potency, and that's with a tolerance of around 120mg oxy to get nice, and 180 to get wrecked.

smoke it on some foil

You can't smoke #4 heroin powder efficiently.

 

[Ashley26]

Sorry for the probably silly question, but what's #4 heroin?

 

[ANewKindOfArmy]

Sorry to keep this going and going Mods. When you're ready you'll get there. Can't until you really want it ya know. But for now obiously it's an awesome thing to have to fall back on atleast you don't gotta deal with being sick... Watch it though people don't believe me but when i shot dope i got lucky and fell into some money picked up a NASTY tolorance and sub wouldn't work. It got to the point to when i went to rehabs i refused to go to ones that had subs for detox. I know i sound like a picky little fuck and all that but i look at it shit if i wanted to be sick id do it at home by myself then go in for treatment. Anyway be safe,
-B

 

[Tommyboy]

Sorry for the probably silly question, but what's #4 heroin?

It's the kind that you are getting. It's heroin hcl, which easily dissolves in water, but also burns up too easily to smoke well. In the UK and some other places they get heroin base, which needs citric acid or something similar to allow it to dissolve into a solution, but it is smokable.

 

[mareseatoats]

I hear ya. That was at my max though. I've been on and off Sub's through this as well. For whatever reason, trying heroin is really scary to me? I guess because you don't know exactly what you're taking.

I was taking Oxy's orally btw

Ashley-I completely get where you're coming from- I was a heroin user for about 6-7 years after a couple years of oxy use, but haven't used either for almost a couple of years. BUT, six months after I had been clean-I wanted to try heroin again one more time, I guess one last hurrah before really moving on in life--and when it came time to do it, I was very nervous, as if I had never done it before/had never been used to it. Maybe some of my hesitation could have been attributed to feeling a bit guilty for wanting to pick up again, after coming so far. So I understand your nervousness-especially if you aren't with a most trustworthy friend or close person with you while doing it.

I don't want to act like a woman-preacher or anything, but most of the time the main plateau you'll reach with thanks to heroin, is usually always a low, life-changing one...filled with regret and damage of all sorts. Just be careful, and don't do something you don't feel right about! Peace

 

[THC2LSD]

You could still take it orally or smoke it on foil if you want. Orally it's potency like oral morphine, though potency varies from person to person. Some studies found oral heroin to be almost as potent as IV morphine in some people.

The type of heroin in NY isn't the best for smoking, but if it's good and your tolerance isn't too high it might still work. Best smoking heroin is freebased or cut with caffeine. I've never heard of anyone who's turned heroin hydrochloride, the most common type on the east coast, into smoking heroin though.

I don't get the obsession on bluelight with not "wasting" drugs like there's a drug shortage. The poor kids in Africa dying of AIDS are still not going to get painkillers, regardless of whether you IV and "save" drugs or smoke them and "waste" them.

If your on suboxone and want to quit, don't try heroin. Most people try it, end up liking it more than oxy, then run up their tolerance up so high they end up spending just as much money as when they did with pills or more. And they get a bigger monkey on their back.

 

[Ashley26]

Thanks for the input everyone, I haven't done it yet, I'm still deciding how to do it, but I appreciate the feedback!

 

[Limitbreaker]

It's the kind that you are getting. It's heroin hcl, which easily dissolves in water, but also burns up too easily to smoke well. In the UK and some other places they get heroin base, which needs citric acid or something similar to allow it to dissolve into a solution, but it is smokable.

Why #4, not #12312 or something else?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

It's just a way to designate the different purities of heroin..it's ambiguous, someone just came up with it. It's irrelevant. What matters is what the "4" represents.

 

[heavyriffer]

the powder i had was either to be shot or snorted tho ppl said you could smoke it on foil, which didnt really work maybe once. but i prefer oxys big time or even statex morphine

 

[Titus]

I have used heroin off and on for 5 plus years. Most recently 2 mintues ago. I almost exclusively snort it now due to an incident that was bad IVing it. I went from sniffing recreationally to using it regluarly sniffing it and deciced to switch to IVing it to make the effects last longer since I was using it so much and $ became an issue. I was scared of ODing so would do as I always do with a new drug, start with a tiny ammt preferring to get NO effect rather than OD or get a bad reaction.

Got comfortable guaging how much to IV and was IVing it regularly. Then deciced I wanted to get the 'rush' people were talking about and how great that felt. Wound up waking up in the bathroom with a terrible pain on the side of my head/face. Turns out what happened is I IV'ed it and immediately fell out and cracked my head on the porcelan toilet, sink, or tub. No one was home as I use in secret. Was glad I woke up but realized that I could have OD'ed and no one would have been there to find me and I would have been found dead a few hours later.

So I went back to snorting. I've IV'ed here and there since that time but do NOT try and get a rush and don't think I ever will again due that experience.

If heroin is active orally, well, it's an option to use that way. But especially since you have experience using opiates and have used high ammt's of oxy, your coming from a different place than someone who has never used an opiate, never a percocet, etc...

When I used heroin for the first time my only prior experience with opiates was like 15 yrs prior using prescribed percocet for wisdom teeth being removed so wanted to be very cautious.

I sniffed a TINY ammt, figuring it's better to be safe and get no effect than use too much. So used like the ammt of a match head from one of those small folding books of matches. Didn't get any effect. Waited like 10 min. No effect so used another dose of same size... did that until I got comfortable guaging how much I could use and feel it.

So what I recommend is using that type of approach, sniffing a tiny ammt and waiting. Then repeating that until you feel it and can guage how much it takes to give you effects and then figuring out the effect level you want (wouldn't recommend you do all this from jump). Get used to it. You might (probably will) 'waste' some in the sense that you will be using too little to feel it the first, 2nd, 3rd dosing with 10 min timebreaks inbetween. But better safe than sorry. After you do this and owrk your way through a bag or 2 or whatever your nervousness about ODing will subside and you will, while remaining safe, get a sense of how much you need to take to feel it.

Then your second go around on another day you won't be as scared (if at all) and will be able to start off with a little more than a small bump.

The dope I used and use isn't as strong as NYC dope so feel free to start off with a bump sooo small you can barely see it, wait 10 min and repeat. Wait 10 min and repeat. Maybe you'll get a good effect from 1/5 of one of the bags you have. But if you start off with 1/20th of on of the bags you have I doubt you'll feel it but you will get comfortable getting to know it and it's effects and how much it takes for you to feel it.

It's well worth 'wasting' 10 or 20 bucks worth of heroin IMO to overcome your fear of potentially od'ing by using tiny, tiny ammts of one bag that will likely give you no effect. Hell, set aside 5 hours and break down 1 bag into as many tiny bumps as you can and ingest each bump 30 min apart if that's what will help you feel safe.

My first time, with only 1 scripted perc experience prior, after using small portions of the first bag with like 10 min breaks in between doses and I started to get comfortable that I had a handle on it so that I would not OD using this method. After the first few bumps with breaks in betwen and not feeling it at all the 'scared I will OD' went away and I felt comfortable working with the substance to find a dose that I would actually feel. That process of taking a dose I would feel but not fall out went quicker as the fear of ODing was now gone.

So then I could do larger bumps and feel something and fairly quickly learned to guage how much I could use and feel it slightly but not be high. Then I transitioned into working to 'get high' while staying safe and not nodding. When I got to that point I wasn't 'scared' of heroin anymore. I should have never used it in the first place, but that's a separate (but not unimportant, to say the LEAST lol) issue.

 

[THC2LSD]

Why #4, not #12312 or something else?

The number system was made up by the DEA in 1970's Vietnam. It's a pretty dated classification of the types of heroin found in Vietnam.
#1-not really heroin, it's morphine, heroin's precurser
#2-freebase heroin, can be smoked or mixed with an acid and shot
#3-heroin hydrochloride cut with caffeine or barbiturates, making a eutectic mixture(lower melting point, like salt and ice),good for smoking
#4-pure heroin hydrochloride, for snorting/injecting

Nobody on the streets in real life calls it heroin#whatever except maybe cops. The number system doesn't specifically cover other types of heroin like black tar, mud, cheese, scramble, p-dope, ect. Most would technically be #4.

 

[verso]

Yeah, Basically your options if you want to use it, Snort (weak) plug, smoke or iv. But remember what i said.

Heroin's bioavailability, when insufflated, is around 50 - 60%, and while insufflation may be a less effective route of administration than intravenous, it's not exactly weak. Hell, oxymorphone's intranasal bioavailability is at about 40%, and I've yet to meet someone who has ever sniffed a line of opana and thought it weak. It's a different substance, of course, but what I'm trying to say is that heroin, like oxymorphone, is a potent substance and so we can probably go ahead and take 60% a little more seriously... don't you think?

 

[Ashley26]

In case anyone is curious, I tried some orally, no effect or euphoria at all. It only took away Suboxone withdrawal for maybe 2 hours. I'm' too nervous to snort it yet, so for now I'm just going to save it for when I get the courage and stick to oral Oxy use for now. I'm a wimp!

 

[tricomb]

Oxymorphone snorted gets me more fucked up than IV heroin.

Oral oxycodone is the best way to take it.