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Pot Frees the Mind, period

I think any mind altering drug will let your mind explore like you guys are talking about. Pot seems to be the least "directed" drug, meaning that the high is most varied. With pot I can explore any emotion or state of mind I choose. With shrooms I tend to explore the darker emotions and with LSD and E I explore the lighter ones. Does anybody else react this way? I don't mean that shroom trips are always bad and scary and LSD is always happy and up lifting. But on shrooms I tend to explore my darker side and the high is usually a reflecting on my inner anger, hate, ect, but it will still be a good trip.

When I think of pot I think of "clear", meaning the drug itself doesn't give me any certain feeling and I can focus on whatever I want. When I think of shrooms I think of "cloudy and dark", it's more of self reflexion kind of trip. When I think of E and LSD I think of a "bright" trip, more outward and I tend to explore the rest of the world more then myself. Anybody know what I'm talking about?
 
Pot calms my mind down. Of course I have intense anxiety and depression issues. But it turns down the brainstorm and actually helps my brain to stop going off on what if tangents. Taken in this light I would say that pot shackles my mind (in a good way). Opposite of freedom.

That's the problem with making all-encompassing statements. You will never know another's experience. I could use all sorts of weird logical arguments like R.D. Laing, but that would just be confusing. I would just say that it is impossible to extrapolate your experiences to others - even if those said others say they agree with you. Because they are simply contemplating your experience through an imperfect means.

Now all we have to do is hunker down and wait for the arrival of true telepathy...
 
Opposite of freedom.
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But you direct yourself into stability, for you the pot has become a symbol for the state that you refer to:
pot shackles my mind
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You smoke knowing and trusting that this will happen, you set yourself up for the state and the high allows you to meet that state more efficiently.

For everyone with a unique and constant high, you have directed within expectation the outcome of your high.

(refering to the top quote again) It is not nessesarely the opposite of freedom if you are free of your own internal babble. The problem of that statement really has to do with our language, the word doublethink comes to mind...

Also, I agknowledge that I am consistantly using a peticular term set for my statements. For the purposes of clearity:
"State of mind" means "mindset" means "attitude"
"Objective" refers to anything percieved by the five senses
"Subjective" refers to anything percieved by the inner senses

Your objective focus picks up physical reality. That focus, that perception changes states constantly and thus changes perception depending upon where you direct it. You automatically try to keep it as close to one state as possible for your own sanity. This state is "sober". When you take any drug, you automatically set youself up mentally to move out of sober and into whatever state you are expecting. If you are not expecting anything, the high may be erratic and move all over the place, taking you into states that you have never been before. If you want to explore, just let yourself drift without the infuence of your beleifs on what to expect from being high. If you want to change to a peticular state, all you have to do it expect and trust it to happen. Trust in your ability to do so is key!

I am stuck in the middle of reality and without a clear vision
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Pullacone, this was a very good observation and just as good of an example of how letting your mind wander through states naturally and just explore as it pleases can be fulfilling. It struck such a chord with you because the translation was such an accomplishment. You trusted your direction and you allowed your inner impulses to translate for you inner meaning. This is very good experience and I encourage you to find the rest of the lyrics now that you have found the first line :) You may find out more about yourself! If I may tranlate your message again with my interpretation (emphasis on 'my'): "I'm stuck in the middle of my experience without knowing how to direct it."

I'm sorry to bring any kind of counterpoint to this mellow thread
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Thats perfectly fine Leg and critique is welcome. Remember, experience is realty, and so far the reality of pot seems to be pretty broad! All experience is valid, of course, and should never be denied but instead explored.

I know this was sort of an "erratic" entry but there where many different ideas that came to mind as I was typing. I guess you could say that I was flowing with it, showing myself the validity of my own writing. See where drifting can get you!

...I hope this entry has sparked some insight, I enjoy these communications greatly :)
-Zoad
 
the best thing to do with weed is to not fight the high, let it take you and whisk you away. its much better that way
 
I whole heartily agree that pot expands the mind. Pot opened my mind to more then I could ever imagine. I always thought pot just made you mellow, hungry and laugh at most things funny. It'd be lying to say I were wrong, even very wrong heh. I could see conflicts between friends, families and even within myself.

The times when I convinced myself that id never come down have been some of the biggest learning experiences I've ever had. They showed me how much I love being sober and how much I love being high, if it makes any sense. Those times have even made me realize my own mortality; that life only lasts for a blink.

I sure a lot of you have had the same experiences but to me they are unique to everyone:)

Happy Hunting=D
 
Go for it

My bad. I asked if there was a forum outside of CD that this could fit into so that we could explore other drugs and how your state while high effects the perception. I suppose I could just start a new thread along those lines instead of ripping this away from CD. Sorry guys.
I'm kind of new here, so I don't know the mechanics of moving around threads, but I belief that it can only done with the powers of a moderator. If you can do it, go for it.
-Zoad
 
Sorry was just trying to steal back a good thread.. Maybe you could look into Thought & Awareness.
 
...asked to move it back

I sent a private message to @lterEgo asking to move it back to CD...
...so I guess I ought to keep the flow moving anyhow:

I will acknowledge that there are several aspects of the phrase "Pot Frees The Mind" that may or may not be entirely correct, depending upon how you look at it. In a way, "Free" is basicly a catch-phrase. Are any of us really free? Are we free from perception in general? In my beliefs, we are all completely free to do anything regarless of mental orientation and perception. What matters to me is if you acknowledge how you are free and if you take steps to utilize that freedom. In this sense then, we all have complete potential freedom, with what freedoms we enjoy now limited only by what we view to be our freedoms. Therefore, we are only limited by our own perception, which is freely controlled by the individual. And yet, even this can be seen as a potential freedom if the individual does not know that they can control it.

What does this have to do with pot? or any other drug?
Since drugs divert our perception in other directions from our normal state of perception (sober), and in many cases the individual learns to control the highs they get, drugs help us realize our own mental freedoms. Drugs help us realize the true, boundless potentials of our mind.

Any opinions?

-Zoad
 
^^ I agree.

Everyone has potential freedom. Pot or other drugs as u said help us realize the boundless potentials of our mind, but one does not have to experience or undergo drugs to be "free"

Drugs or in this matter, pot is a "tool" not a necessity to freeing the mind
 
^^and I agree with you

This is actually what I was trying to get at, but I figured I'd divert from making huge entries anymore and give everyone else a good chance to communicate.
Thnx Dj_TranceMadness

-Zoad
 
thnx zoad!

zoad said:
I sent a private message to @lterEgo asking to move it back to CD...
...so I guess I ought to keep the flow moving anyhow:
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In that case.. I'll Bump it for her! :)
 
Perception and the accepted reality

Bump? I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds promising.
Thnx Blowmonkey :)

Continuing:
One doesn't need to utilize drugs in order to experience different states of perception, this is clear. Manic Depressives change perception all the time without drugs (though they view this to be uncontrolable). The evidence is clear for them because thier perception changes with such a dramatic swing, but the ordinary individual also changes perception constantly, though the swing may not be as dramatic. "Sober" then, as I have been using the term, can be seen as not one state, but rather a narrow range of states that the individual tries to stay within. "Sober" as I use it here refers to the accepted state/s which everyone tries to align with. As I am using it here, a depressed person would not be considered sober. You may argue this, but for these purposes, this is the term I will use for the state we accept as "normal".

Now, as we go about our lives, we allow our perception to change automatically into different states depending upon what actions or events we encounter and what we want to do. For this discussion, we will presume that there is an infinite range of potential perception allowed to us, but because we all look to stay on the same wavelength, so to speak, we all try to stay "normal". "Normal" then, on a mass scale, will be considered our Accepted Reality. Because we all try to stay normal, or align with our accepted reality, we have forgotten our own potentials, or even the fact that our Accepted Reality has infinite potential for change. If we all wished, we could all be on a completely different wavelenth, we could all have psychodelic perception and let this become our accepted reality. How different would the world be if this was the case? Remember, everyone would automatically try to align with eachother's perception so that hallucinations would occure on a mass scale. But are they hallucinations anymore if everyone agknowledges the existance of what is percieved? With this considered, what hallucinations are we experiencing now that we have not questioned in the past?

-Zoad
 
by request, i'm sending this back to where it came from.

--> moving to Cannabis Discussion
 
Cha Ching.

In general people are frightened of the unknown. We are all so confused on who we are and where we are going that we miss the signs on the road. We search for something to gives us order so dangerously we lose the fact on how beautiful chaos can be. You can call it religion or education or maybe even love but we as a people always need order. I think this is the reason why we are all so closed and confined into our individuality realities.

People much rather label something as evil or bad (drugs) then ever give it the light of day and experience it for themselves. We spend so much of our time building walls around ourselves to keep us secure. We would rather just say it's evil then ever put our own security in harms way. People should experience things for themselves and better yet think for themselves. A good example is a book. People say it's the best book ever written but, is it? Is the book really that good? Or is your mind telling you it is?

I honestly think the only way to break the cycle of these habits is through change in consciousness. As long as we trust in our own divinity I think we can fulfill anything. (heh im sure some of this won't make sense.. Im pretty tired right now)


"Think for yourself
Question authority

Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening,
terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in
this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the
religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by
giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their
view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and
learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness;
chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself.

Think for yourself.
Question authority."

-Timothy Leary
 
Zoad, my personal relationship with cannabis is, I think, similar to yours. For me, it can enhance or make easier certain types of thinking, It's what I love about it! But, I can't help but be reminded of how it can be completely negative for some people, even some people who like it.

When my girlfriend smokes (any amount), regardless of setting, she is totally overwhelmed with negative emotions. Thankfully, she is no longer a regular smoker. Some of my friends who quite enjoy the high, are, in my opinion, mostly incapacitated by it, mentally and physically. A "useful" high is somewhat difficult to acheive for most. So just remember, some people, despite having a positive mindset and being "open" to the effects, will never be able to achieve the type of high you and I love. It's a matter of brain chemistry, not spiritual readiness :)
 
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