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Pot Frees the Mind, period
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zoad
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I agree that some people, whether open to its effects or not will experience negative high's. But what effects are they opening themselves to? What effects are they allowing themselves to entertain and for what sub-conscience reasons? Being open to a concept doesn't nessessarely mean that you have experience with the concept or know the specifics of it which are essential if you are to effeciently use it.
The first step in gaining the experiences with pot that we enjoy is to first know what is possible. The next step is to aknowledge the main concepts. The step after that is to incorporate those concepts into old experience in order to direct yourself into new experience which then reinforces the validty of those concepts and makes them more than just concepts but a part of that individual's reality. This has been the whole point of me starting this thread, so that people may follow these steps if they wish.
I define spiritual readiness as a mindset or state in which you are accepting of experiences regardless of you beliefs about them. It is my understanding that mindset itself molds brain chemistry. This is not to say that brain chemistry may not be physically altered though drugs and thus move the physical perception of the mind. In my experience, the body always tries to maintain its own equalibrium with whatever chemicals are acting within it. It is difficult to go into this area because of so much that must be explained, but from my experience, without the use of drugs, the body organism responds quite efficiently to the energies of the mind allowing itself to be directed with the only limit of its own self-preservation (you can alter the rate of your heart, but you will find it difficult to willingly kill yourself by stopping your heart; its like trying to kill yourself by holding your breath, eventually all that you will accomplish is making yourself pass out allowing your body to naturally return to its working state). When drugs are administered, the body responds just as effeciently but now it is not creating its own chemicals that it can control. The body reacts to the foreign chemicals and may change what or how it percieves depending upon what chemicals are used. You gain experience through perception and if you do not know that perception is just perception or if you do not trust in your own ability to automatically maintain stability, then you will probably experience conflict of some sort unless you are in a state of spiritual readiness in which case you are ready for the unexpected and do not cast any biased opinions or thoughts concerning your perception.
As an example: A person without the knowledge or experience may get high. Thier body responds to the chemicals, altering its perception of the world around it. In this, the mind sees this change of perception and in accordance with the individual's beliefs concerning pot or any change in perception, the body induces additional chemicals upon itself as it tries to follow the lead of the mind. In the relationship between the objective mind and body, one does not nessessarely always lead the other. It would be more accurate to say that the objective mind and the body go hand in hand through experience, one leading the other at times. Being spiritually ready presupposes that your objective mind and body walk hand in hand, side by side, each understanding and accepting of the other. Your body already understands and accepts the mind, but your objective mind may not understand or accept the body. Do not take the saying,"Know Thyself," lightly, it is truer than most acknowledge.
-Zoad
jar4ever said:
Totally, I've never freaked out on anything except mushrooms (and I've taken way more massive doses of LSD and E compared to my mushroom experiences) they are enjoyable but they just do not fit with me. I usually get the most rewarding experiences with MDxx chemicals but I have quite a few LSD trips that were unbelievable. I just like moving and dancing and usually trip at concerts so thats probably why.
Ampheta-me
Bluelighter
People have very different experiences with pot, for me there has been many good times but also paranoia and anxiety. It is a catalyst, nothing more. It is the individual who decides to free their mind with it or create a prison.
knumb
Bluelighter
No one is ever really free. Freedom is an illusion. Pot, and psychedlics are enjoyable, yes, but they are not freedom.
Ampheta-me
Bluelighter
zoad said:
Very insightful post, I agree with all you had to say....
I think that drugs are benficial if the highs teach us about the mind and how malleable our perception of reality is. Once the high has been experienced a decision must be made, consciously or not:
1) Rely on a drug to experience the mindset that we seek, unable to see that our brain is creating the high or simply not willing to put in the effort to get there
2) See the potential our mind has to alter our perception of reality and mastering it without drugs, or using the high as a tool to learn from and bring insight back into our ordinary consciousness. Think of it as becoming the high, programming your brain to function in a similar way
I rely on the drugs for these feelings, and feel that any further usage is doing more harm than good
Damn zoad... that's some deep stuff. I stopped posting here for a few weeks because I was thinking about altered perseption and things like what you've been discussing. I feel mushrooms showed me another reality, a differant take on existance. I took too much too many times (not a huge number, just aparantly too much for my mind) in a short period of time.
When they came into full effect I was no longer in control. I was sitting in my room with my eyes open, but saw nothing but what I thought. And I wasn't really thinking, I was recieving short clips of past memories all through my life, from me as a baby to me smoking that morning to school 4 years ago, for like 2 hours.
Then, some more I had taken right before this kicked in (because I thought I hadn't taken enough). Everything suddenly lost signifigance. I decided I would drop out of school, kill my dog, cut down my crop, and move away into the mountains. Then I told my dad of these plans and he put my in bed. I just had visions all night and it left me with the knowledge that nothing has meaning. It's like I understand something nobody else can (except others who this has happened to).
It's like I know alllll of those visions I had were moments in my life that meant absolutely nothing, and add in all the years to come, and all the people in the entire world and all their insignifigant lives and achievements. As if I were still on mushrooms sometimes, insane waves of paranoia have been hitting me multiple times a day for weeks.
I posted about it a bit in the dark side, and realizing there were other people who are going through this and can still go on, and people who've overcome this, it helped a lot.
Well sorry for posting about my mushroom trip in your cannabis thread, but when I read "drugs help us realize our own mental freedoms" and then that post about how everyone conforms to each others perceptions... it really made me think man. If everyone thought like I was thinking for the last few weeks... the world would be a sad sad place...
When they came into full effect I was no longer in control. I was sitting in my room with my eyes open, but saw nothing but what I thought. And I wasn't really thinking, I was recieving short clips of past memories all through my life, from me as a baby to me smoking that morning to school 4 years ago, for like 2 hours.
Then, some more I had taken right before this kicked in (because I thought I hadn't taken enough). Everything suddenly lost signifigance. I decided I would drop out of school, kill my dog, cut down my crop, and move away into the mountains. Then I told my dad of these plans and he put my in bed. I just had visions all night and it left me with the knowledge that nothing has meaning. It's like I understand something nobody else can (except others who this has happened to).
It's like I know alllll of those visions I had were moments in my life that meant absolutely nothing, and add in all the years to come, and all the people in the entire world and all their insignifigant lives and achievements. As if I were still on mushrooms sometimes, insane waves of paranoia have been hitting me multiple times a day for weeks.
I posted about it a bit in the dark side, and realizing there were other people who are going through this and can still go on, and people who've overcome this, it helped a lot.
Well sorry for posting about my mushroom trip in your cannabis thread, but when I read "drugs help us realize our own mental freedoms" and then that post about how everyone conforms to each others perceptions... it really made me think man. If everyone thought like I was thinking for the last few weeks... the world would be a sad sad place...
One thing I just thought of zoad; how you said people will conform to the people around them and make it their normal reality... that must have a lot to do with why brainwashing can be achieved don't you think? Like the holocaust...
Or has this already been established and I'm now just discovering it for myself? Or am I wrong?
Or has this already been established and I'm now just discovering it for myself? Or am I wrong?
Hmm, I am *really* glad you brought this one up zoad. I was actually going to start a thread about being stoned vs. being high, but this one grasps it just as well.
Im sure the only reason that I got soooo high the first time I ever smoked was that I was in a relaxed state, and really had no expectations from it. My friends thought it was about being cool, chillin' etc, so they got soo stoned.
I laughed my ass off, and totally "got" what being high was all about, that first time.
Then, later, when I was a little more experienced (and older), a friend of mine told me about tripping, hallucinations etc. What a coincidence: Some time after that I smoked some good hash and was hallucinating.
And I guess what I have always liked about weed was that it brings out in me what I really like to be (just a tad more spontaneous). And why would that be? Because I expect it to bring that up in me.
And everywhere in my live I see things that reinforce this feeling, that a high is what you make of it, and that life is what you make of it. And I see this because I think it is true, and my mind subconsciously is looking for things to reinforce my feeling.
But its beyond weed. When I go into town to buy pants, I ofcourse look at the pants everyone else is wearing. Stupid example, but just as true.
And I like it. Im actually quite serious about weed. I don't want to sound like an addict, but weed is one of the greatest things in my life. I really don't know what my life would be like without.
Well, I'm just glad you brought it up. I don't even know if this post is making a point. But I have a feeling, and that makes it right.
Im sure the only reason that I got soooo high the first time I ever smoked was that I was in a relaxed state, and really had no expectations from it. My friends thought it was about being cool, chillin' etc, so they got soo stoned.
I laughed my ass off, and totally "got" what being high was all about, that first time.
Then, later, when I was a little more experienced (and older), a friend of mine told me about tripping, hallucinations etc. What a coincidence: Some time after that I smoked some good hash and was hallucinating.
And I guess what I have always liked about weed was that it brings out in me what I really like to be (just a tad more spontaneous). And why would that be? Because I expect it to bring that up in me.
And everywhere in my live I see things that reinforce this feeling, that a high is what you make of it, and that life is what you make of it. And I see this because I think it is true, and my mind subconsciously is looking for things to reinforce my feeling.
But its beyond weed. When I go into town to buy pants, I ofcourse look at the pants everyone else is wearing. Stupid example, but just as true.
And I like it. Im actually quite serious about weed. I don't want to sound like an addict, but weed is one of the greatest things in my life. I really don't know what my life would be like without.
Well, I'm just glad you brought it up. I don't even know if this post is making a point. But I have a feeling, and that makes it right.
Edvard Munch
Bluelighter
If pot free's the mind, why are you always so cloudy?
zoad
Bluelighter
Frump said:
Now, don't get depressed Frump. Don't forget your own significance and how important your actions are in the world. At the single twitch of a finger, you send new probabilities flying out in every direction. Whole worlds change at your very significance. Even though you are one of many other individuals, the world would truely not be the same without your personal influence upon it.
We all co-create the world we live in. We all help each other make a world that can properly support us mentally, physicaly, and spiritualy. This is why we cooporate with beliefs and perception. But sometimes a set of beliefs or a way of perceiving something gets old for the individuals using them. They see the old beliefs as child-things, being more of a burden to hold than an advantage (like the Adam and Eve story for religion or the geocentric view for science, for instance). The individuals want to go past what they know and explore what they don't in order to take better advantage of thier newly discovered powers. In short, the individuals are looking to change thier beliefs and perception into something that gives more freedom.
The world around us has become stale because of our reliance on some old beliefs that we wish to dispense with. The ideas of what we should or shouldn't be doing with our daily lives constantly mocks our own free will to make choices and decisions whenever we want for whatever we want. This fact is becoming more apparent to many, and for many it is triggering a feeling of depression or paranoia as they see that they are in some way limiting their own freedoms by aligning with some of the old, now useless beliefs.
Frump, you were in an altered state of conscienceness and allowed yourself to view alternative perceptions. All you had to do was shift your focus and you automaticaly percieved other channels. This was firstly a demonstration to you that you do have this freedom of awareness. Secondly, the information you picked up while you utilized this channel concerned your associations with symbols and beliefs attached to them, or rather a conscience awareness of these associations. Becoming aware of this usually leads to the "Materialism is useless" attitude, hence: "Everything is insignificant". And this is not nessessarely true. If everything was insignificant, then we wouldn't include it in our world anymore. We wouldn't perceive it if it didn't hold some significance for us. Everything around us has significance in our lives. Without significance there is nothing, and nothing is very limiting and very stale and not very creative at all and thats just not fun. Sure everything is insignificant, nothing really matters because we are really immortal and very powerfull beings capable of creating worlds at our very wim. But what fun is it to play a game with all the cheats on, or to skip to the last page of a book, or to know the ending of a movie, or to play a board game with phony dice? We know what it's like to be outside the rules, but isn't the experience alot better everyone agrees on some lines of experience first?
So enjoy what significance is in your life, and if you become unhappy with a stale world, then creatively make your own significance and constructively effect the world around you. Observe what power you hold as an individual in the moment and let it strengthen your trust in your own abilities to utilize that power at will.
(damn I hate long entries... I hope nothing here offends anyone, reply if so, thnx. I just type and keep going sometimes
)-Zoad
zoad
Bluelighter
Hmm, that really didn't hit the point enough..... Material possessions and the world around you are insignificant in the way that it is all really unessessary to have everything. The reason we have it all is for the fun of the experience. But sometimes we have something that stops being fun and we try to move beyond it into something newer and better.
zoad
Bluelighter
Oh, ya, and about the brainwashing comment:
Yes, it is like brainwashing, it is the same action, the same as hypnosis also, and prayer, and teaching. It is all the same action and we do it all the time. But it is always a choice to align or not. Therefore you always have the power to be brainwashed or to learn or do both at the same time. The holocaust was a massive example of brainwashing, but the poplace that went with it agree to. It was thier choice. It always the individual's choice.
Yes, it is like brainwashing, it is the same action, the same as hypnosis also, and prayer, and teaching. It is all the same action and we do it all the time. But it is always a choice to align or not. Therefore you always have the power to be brainwashed or to learn or do both at the same time. The holocaust was a massive example of brainwashing, but the poplace that went with it agree to. It was thier choice. It always the individual's choice.