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Pot Frees the Mind, period

zoad

zoad

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Pot frees the mind. This is a common expression for any drug as any drug mearly shifts your awareness in a direction different from the one you've become so bored with. So it will be no suprize for me to associate pot with the same experience of freedom. What will be of suprize to some is that pot most simply does nothing more than this! Pot allows you to relax your grip on your familiar focus so that you can redirect it in whatever fashion you choose. Pot is not a forcefull drug, the only forcefull effects of pot are those that you place on yourself. Within this forum, then, we have a number of unique individuals who are expressing a number of different and varied effects, each just as unique. Which only serves to prove how versitle the drug truely is. Pot politely helps you bring youself where ever you are expecting, or rather trusting to bring youreself when high or relaxed. If you want to enjoy yourself, that effect will manifest easier if trusting that you will enjoy yourself while high. If you trust that pot has medicinal effects, then it will help you heal yourself. All pot does is put you into a relaxed, medative state, from which you may mold yourself in whatever direction.

So I open a new discussion on this aspect of pot. Who agrees? Who doesn't? Why? What are your experiences and where have you led yourselves in those experiences? What did you learn with each experience?

-Zoad
 
That is so true... I've always thought that, but couldn't really express it in words. Like, when I'm with my friends in my room and we smoke a few joints, I feel completely fucked up out of my mind, because that's how we've always thought it should be. And right now, it's 4:30 in the morning, I fell asleep at 7PM and just woke up, and toked at 4:20... and I did it in hopes of getting tired so I can fall back to sleep, and I'm so drowsy I can barely read clearly now. I think the high depends completely on what your subconcious mindframe is. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's my .02 cents.
 
Yeah I've actually thought this for quite a while :)
Your words are definately true and from experience.

Especially true with the versatility of this drug. Someone will complain they egt this or that, or brag they get this or that. It's not wrong just because it doesnt happen to you. Pot is a very personal drug, and the high is related to your mindstate ALOT. And this high isn't for everyone. Since cannabis gives you the power to focus on any one thing at a time (be it your thoughts, senses, writing, drawing, looking at a wall.. etc..), in the wrong head, this could easily become a bad thing, as people over focus and over analyze every little detail.

But anyway, back to the original subject. I do find Cannabis frees my mind. From bullshit, from stress, from boredom etc.... You just gotta learn how to use the high. It is a very mental high, everything is in your head.
 
Pot Frees the Mind ext.

Recently I've been experimenting with altering my high with will to produce different effects such as audio hallucinations (sometimes very strong, if I have a song stuck in my head it sounds like the radio) or mild visuals (mild depending on how adept you are to hallucinations, I've actually never done a classic hallucinegen). As far as any visuals, they go no further than a higher intensity of image or a distortion of momvement or in one instance the wood-grain pattern on my wall was doing this cascading/waterfall effect and that was cool and to this day I'm still suprized at how relaxed and calm about it I was. I was staring at this wall going "wow, thats never happened before" and the movement and clearity was so realistic that I kept running my hand over it in disbeleif.

As far as other willed effects go: I've controlled the direction of what felt like an inner surging of energy, which usually flows in a regular direction (forward, backward, to the left etc.). This energy always feels active when I'm high. It makes you feel like your moving, if your focusing on it.

Also, and this may be of absolutely no relevence, but if your ever really quiet and don't have any ambient sounds in the area, you can hear in your head a humming or whistling or ring that is ALWAYS present, high or not. You can change the pitch of this ring easily when high and not so easily when sober. I've found that this ringing relates in someway to emotion, like an emotional tone.

I've also tried salvia once and got a mild trip where it felt like my body was turning in one direction. This followed the relaxation and hairsplitting feeling. I've been able to reproduce these effects with pot also (and a hell of alot cheaper too).

Mind you, all these thing can be experienced consecutively within the first 10 minutes of smoking (not to say that you may not after 10 minutes...). But these are some of my own personal experiences with the varieties.
-Zoad
 
I'm sure we were separated at birth zoad lol. I totally agree with what your saying and have had very similar experiences to you while under the influence of cannabis. I'll post some of my thoughts when I have some time because at the moment i'm a little snowed under with homework and study. Work before play (smoking :))
 
You're definately right, Zoad. I can smoke with friends with a mindset of "I wanna geek out", and surely enough it happens. If I smoke alone and want to just reflect and reminisce on good past experiences, or sit and deeply think of how pretty the flame on the candle beside me is; or how pretty it is outside at the time - I can get overwhelmed by a perfect euphoric feeling. It's what you make it out to be. In my year or so of smoking I've only experienced paranoia twice(each time we were in a hot spot), because I believe that anxiety and paranoia only happens if they're invoked. When you're in an environment in which you don't have to worry, you won't worry. Smoking a blunt at the corner of a grocery store, yup, paranoia. The weed sort've 'enhances' and stimulates your brain... so whatever you do, you feel on a deeper level. Just as Frump said, if you want to use it to achieve sleep, it'll act on that.
 
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Also, and this may be of absolutely no relevence, but if your ever really quiet and don't have any ambient sounds in the area, you can hear in your head a humming or whistling or ring that is ALWAYS present, high or not. You can change the pitch of this ring easily when high and not so easily when sober. I've found that this ringing relates in someway to emotion, like an emotional tone.
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The ringing in the ears is the blood in your veins rushing past the ear drum area. Therefor you hear this "rushing" or ringing in your head. You can flex a muscle and push those veins closer to create a much more intense sound.

It doesn't free you though. It allows you to shift gears in your head so to say. Sometimes it shifts for you, sometimes you can shift for yourself. Either way, you're not free. Your brain is shifting gears perhaps, but you're still just the same old bumbling stoned fucker eating all my damn food.

Then again, I couldn't really tell you what freedom was exactly. I've never experianced it. I've experianced things other people say are freedom, but never felt it myself. To each his own right?
 
U guyz r all right. I was at my friends and we all smoked up but we were all tired and trying to stay awake and thats exactly how i felt, tired and a bit drowzy. It all depends on how u want to feel when ur stoned. WORD!
"The Silence is Deafening"
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Right on Zoad, weed is what I use to flush away the boredom and bring about a more interested, interactive mindset. And it is intensely personal, nobody has the exact same reaction to it, which is why I think it's the best drug in existence.

.P.S.- Red Haze, if you want to feel freedom, go to the Bonnaroo Music Festival in Manchester, TN ... June 11-13... complete fucking anarchy...
 
States of Mind

Looking back at the two last posts of mine, you can even see a difference in my format and word usage. In the first one I was high, in the second I was sober. In the first one I had a tighter focus on the point I was trying to make and the words easily came to mind as I focused on what was needed. In the second one, the ideas are more sporatic and mixed and the text format and usage is also different.

Right now as a matter of fact, I am high, and yet even though the same action occures as in the first, the style of this message it still different from either as my state of mind is also different.

Therfore it can be seen that the form of your creations, whether inner creations of joy or hate or outer creations of art, music or writing, is most dependent upon your state in general whether chemically induced or not. Pot, as I said is mearly chemically induced relaxation which allows you to loosen your grip upon that one specificly chosen state that you identify as "sober". In conjunction with that one almost built-in belief and trust that "pot will free your mind", you send yourself actively exploring any state that is not sober.

This may be why first time smokers (or first timers for getting high) get erratic and sometimes wild differences in high in comparison to what a veteran is used to (I'm sober now...). I think that when a newbie chooses to smoke they bring themselves into it not knowing what to believe and as a consequence they lead themselves in erratic directions. As a smoker becomes veteran, s/he is more likely to identify "high" with one favorite and relatable state. In my opinion, this is like being stuck in a rut. But I am not discounting the enjoyment of your "home" state, I just like exploring and I generously invite all others to willingly explore also. It's always exciting exploring and experiencing different dimensions of the mind. Bringing yourself where you've never gone is a high in itself.

-Zoad
 
That is true. Weed is a psychadelic, in a sence after all. I have been so high sometimes I have mentally created a cocaine drip in the back of my throat or made my tounge feel numb. Pot can really steer your mind, but unlike other drugs it is much easier to control. However, it is still a powerful mind-altering drug.
 
I suppose pot frees my mind in the sense that I "think out of the box" so to speak. Still, I associate real mental freedom with something closer to a high dose shroom trip, where I am not still acting on the same familar impulses. When I'm high I still feel like the same person, and everything still comes in as the same thing. My focus is definately expanded (probably why I lose my train of thought so damn much), but I don't feel anywhere near free from normal mental restraints.

Sometimes pot makes me even more inhibited (when im stressed or nervous), and other times it makes me feel much less inhibited (cruising around with friends talking about carefree nonsense.) I've spent countless hundreds of hours meditating and exploring the depths of my mind both high and sober, and I can honestly say that in the long run I reach the same places both ways. The only difference is the route I take to get there.
 
Done already?

I was kind of disappointed to see the small number of replies to this thread, but delighted to see an overwhelming agreement to the simpleness of pot. As I said in another thread, people have built up alot of dogma surrounding pot and the dogma does nothing but prestructure people's experiences with it. I'm sure this is also common to many many other substances. I can easily see this happening with LSD or shrooms or other substances that allow internal data (thoughts/emotions) to easily manifest outward (hallucinations).

I suppose this disscussion would get further if it was outside the cannabis discussion and encompassed all drugs. Is there any way to do this?

-Zoad
 
Let me say first that I really really really like pot.

I agree to some extent. Pot 'changes' your mind, but I would not call it 'free'. Some mental things that I find necessary in my daily life (thinking logically, following a long train of thought, being able to perform several tasks at a time and stay focussed) are very hard when you are baked. In that sense pot makes you 'stupid' or 'unfree'. For this reason I do not want to be baked all day long.

But the other side of this is that your mind goes in different directions. All stoners will know what I mean. Your mind enters the cannabis zone, which I feel is sort of 'underneath' the everyday world: it's allways there, but you only feel it and see it when you are high.....sorry for rambling.....

What are your experiences and where have you led yourselves in those experiences? What did you learn with each experience?
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What I learned is that there is some fabric underneath our reality that ties together all beings and all things....that we all just play a role in a play....and that in normal life we play it so damn seriously. When I'm stoned I feel that we are all one and that I am part of the universe, and that my 'intelligence' only serves to make me blind for this......also I tend to take convictions and so on less serious, I relativate much more....this is what I learned. And of course a good high is euphoric, stimulating and sedative at the same time....wonderful ! :)
 
Wow, I'm sorry to bring any kind of counterpoint to this mellow thread, but I'd like to say that I don't really like pot.

I get those negative effects that zoad was talking about.

I just feel dumb on it...I can slow my metabolism and be mellow, yes, or I can speed it up, but then things start to "go wrong" with my body...like I get tired after a bit, or my stomach works differently, or etc...

I think generally, I have a very high metabolism...and "relaxing" for me doesn't consist of slowing it down. I love being really active and happy and intellectually involved in something! That's how I feel relaxed.

I think I get the feelings you associate with pot a lot more from things like LSD. I feel like I can totally control the trip and there are no negative side-effects for me. And you just have this boundless energy!

so yea, that's my 2 cents

But in general, I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying that I get the same thing that you're talking about with hallucinogens instead of pot.
 
I personally think it has a lot to do with your mind set. If you a deep introspective thinker while sober, your going to get some wonderful incites to your already probing mind while high.

I found it interesting how some of you mentioned that you don't "feel like a different person". I'm not sure I grasp the meaning of that statement. Do you mean to say that while under the influence of more powerful psychadelics (pot being one of the weaker forms), that you feel like you a detached from your own mental awareness? I would think that I would personally find that rather scary but my experimentation with drugs hasn't left the realm of cannabis and N2O.

Recently while extremely high, I was fussing about (i get rather compulsive when high :D ) with my shakespear collection and I was humming a pretty stupid song. The song started to form words which in turn formed a sentence. I was lucky to have a pen and paper handy at the time.

I am stuck in the middle of reality and without a clear vision

This kinda struck a cord with me and made me realise that pot does indeed put you in a altered state. You are all right when saying that it is nothing compared to the stronger psychadelics but that is one of the attributes of pot that make it great. You can basically (if you feel the need) enjoy it on a day to day basis without any really severe effect. I don't for that matter and space my smoking out on the weekends so that my tolerance stays low and I can carry out cognitive tasks during the week.

Hope it all made sense. :)

Cheers,
pullacone
 
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