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Post-Salvia Blankness - TOO Blank?

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I've recently discovered an extremely powerful method of administration of Salvia- Tea. Its power is really up there with Iboga, Ayahuasca.

It strips away layers of self-consciousness. Being under the spell of Salvia feels a lot like being under the spell of Iboga in a lot of ways. It grounds you and makes you face your own bullshit and phoniness, but in a gentle, good-humored way.

My first tea experience was life-changing. It was like a rebirth- The next days were amazingly real. I wrote this experience report about it: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/670417-Salvia-Tea-Experienced-Smooth-Subtle-and-Powerful

Then I had a mushroom trip, which was light-years more lucid, positive, grounded, meaningful and powerful than all my previous mushroom trips. I felt like I had truly "arrived," but in a selfless, dynamic way. This feeling lasted for days...

...Until I decided to drink Salvia tea *again.* Quit while you're ahead, right? Not me.

I broke my own rules: I had emphasized to myself the importance of taking it *slow* with Salvia, and using moderation. Taking little sips. For some reason, I took a few gulps from the cup itself. Then a friend walked in the room with some weird personal things to say. I was not interested, but I conversed anyway. I directed my visionary consciousness to her, and not inward.

I'm not sure when exactly it happened, but something bad happened. Spiritually. I feel like I completely lost all the progress I had made in the week prior, and actually in the many years prior to this experience. I feel like I've regressed to 3rd grade mentality--susceptible to the dysfunctional energies of others, and with almost no conceptualizations about life, the universe and everything. This is very unusual for me. I'm historically an active, sharp thinker.

I feel dumb. Spaced out. Like I've lost a large piece of myself, a bright, shining, crystalline consciousness connected to an open heart. I feel empty in my mind, empty in my heart, too. Where are my feelings? Where is my drive? Where is my ego? Where is my power? When I said my mushroom trip was powerful, that also meant that *I* was feeling immense amounts of balanced, sturdy power, and that power continued well after the trip.

Now it's gone. No trace. I feel as powerful as a third grader. My mind feels empty, which usually feels great, except now, it also feels devoid of so many wonderful things. Also, my heart. I feel so depressed. Salvia usually doesn't do this to me.

Help me. I'm afraid I've lost "it," and permanently. It's been over three days, and the usual thought-forms that help me connect to people are gone. I'm scared. My body even feels different, like it did years ago when I was very depressed. My sleeping patterns have changed (for the worse), and my sensitivity to temperature as well, just to name a few physical differences.

Has anyone felt this way before? Like, a blank mind, but like, REALLY blank, and scarily so?

~RS
 
Salvia is unlikely to produce permanent, low-level changes beyond those you would expect from any sort of psychoactive anyway. It's more of an emotional insult you are delaing with than any sort of physical one.

Uncomfortable experiences on s. divinorum seem to go with the territory. You're probably just quite shaken up. Give yourself a while to become accustomed to your body again and you'll feel better, with time. You are definitely not the first one to feel empty and strange after a bad salvia trip.

Salvia really does deserve the utmost respect. It's not really a good drug to "experiment" too much with, in my opinion, because of stuff like this. I personally do not like feeling like I have just been whacked over the head with a shovel and then put into a tumble drier. But at least the effects wear off reasonably quickly.
 
Hehe. I usually don't mind the effects of Salvia.

The reason I'm worried that, yeah, a smoked Salvia experience can be crazy and spiritually harmful, but it lasts only a few minutes, and the body and mind are quick to return to equilibrium. BUT,

What I experienced was equally intense, but drawn out for about an hour. That makes me think that the body is more likely to "forget" some of its ego-related patterns, and the brain its neural pathways.

But I will definitely consider that I just experienced an emotional insult. And I will give it time. But I really do feel like I am starting from scratch, and if I feel better later, it will be a result of putting in a lot of spiritual work that I've already put in before this experience.

I feel like my ego has been scrapped, and like, there are some good things about the ego too!!!
 
I'm pretty sure this is just a part of the "spiritual path" (whatever that is), and you could look at it like it's a good thing. Your mind might be blank, but maybe this is a perfect chance to look at all your beliefs in a different way and learn new things about the universe?
 
^ I've done that before with Salvia. It has been extremely useful.

This time, I have NO beliefs. It sounds crazy, but it really really feels like that.

I can try to view this in a positive light, but it's hard. I do recognize that I have lost a lot of negative beliefs and thought patterns as well, which is great. But I really miss those positive ones... I dunno.
 
Having no beliefs can be healthy I think, at least it depends how you define belief. In any case this reminds me of the Zen parable of ten bulls, maybe you are in the 7th stage or something like that.
 
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