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Popularity of MDPV in America?

hey, not sure if there is any interest left in this topic, but to answer the OP's question:

The majority of MDPV in my area has been introduced not as MDPV but as bath salts sold in headshops, as "molly" powder by shady dealers, and sold as mephedrone

a few months back someone i thought i could trust sold me 500mg MDPV as 500mg bk-MDMA, i consumed 300mg and stayed awake 48 hours..

MDPV is probably not a chemical that is going to be sought after by most people, unless they are looking for a nice meth alternative, it is too powerful of a substance to be sold by the half gram..
 
ektamine said:
Just curious to how popular MDPV is other areas of america, and in what form (powder ordered from a RC vendor, legal high from a gas station, etc).

In my area (Northern California - just south of the bay area), I'm the only one that I know of out of all the people in all the social circles I associate with to have it. A few people know what it is from reading / teh interweb, and I've met maybe 2 other people that have tried it that I didn't give it to myself. I've only recently seen products pop up at one headshop in town that I suspect may contain MDPV.

It seems pretty much completely under the radar here. But it seems like (from reading on BL) that other parts of the country have picked up a lot more on the whole legal high / bath salt scene, and therefore introducing more to MDPV.

Whats it like in your area?
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Seems entirely limited to the "RC/Internet specialist" around here (of which there are few), except maybe for 'bath salts'... and there, I suspect most people who take those either haven't a clue what's in them or fall into the aforementioned category. I live in the Seattle, WA. area, fwiw.
mankatomeowfan11 said:
MDPV is probably not a chemical that is going to be sought after by most people, unless they are looking for a nice meth alternative, it is too powerful of a substance to be sold by the half gram..
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That is in fact about the smallest amount you can find of it these days, it seems -- a half gram or so. Many RC sellers I've run into online even consider a gram a small amount.
 
I Do Bath Salts All The Time. They Give You Energy That Makes You Want to Focus On A Single Task For Hours At A Time. You Can Stay Up Or Go To Sleep Easily On The Drug. Very Addictive. Leaves You Wanting More But Not At The Same Time. They Stop Working After A Period Of Using Them.
 
What a horrible name..you should just call yourself crackhead or something..bath salts are just a fad nd if they do last more then their 15minutes they will be banned universally ...I mean it is already starting..

sorry though bro I just get annoyed when people use drugs as their sn...look at me I'm bongsmoker lol I mean if you stick around and post you want everyone to know you as bathsalt?
 
bathsalt said:
i do bath salts all the time. They give you energy that makes you want to focus on a single task for hours at a time. You can stay up or go to sleep easily on the drug. Very addictive. Leaves you wanting more but not at the same time. They stop working after a period of using them.
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Someone just learned that cruise control doesn't fly around here. Anyways dude you can pick whatever you want for a user name just please refrain from posting like that. Caps lock is obnoxious.
 
chinky said:
What a horrible name..you should just call yourself crackhead or something..bath salts are just a fad nd if they do last more then their 15minutes they will be banned universally ...I mean it is already starting..

sorry though bro I just get annoyed when people use drugs as their sn...look at me I'm bongsmoker lol I mean if you stick around and post you want everyone to know you as bathsalt?
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Bath salts aren't even a drug, tbh... they're stuff you put into a bathtub for a nice, relaxing bath. Maybe that's why I cringe so much when someone sez "I just IV'ed some bath salts" (?).

Let's hope everyone forgets this "bath salt" saga quickly and cleanly once the poor, demonized RC's they contain are banned. Maybe we can proceed then with RC's being what they're actually supposed to be: A substance you have to learn all about (including harm reduction measures) before you even get near.

P.S. IMO, putting an unidentified research chemical into a product sold in a head shop is an utter perversion of the RC culture, which *requires* self-education. These 'bath salts' *prevent* self-education. If irresponsible and careless companies are going to sell them like that, I'm actually inclined to agree with the DEA... ban them. Public safety is more important than doing drugs.
 
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wait....what?!

I'm uncomfortable hearing someone say they agree with the DEA about public safety. I'm not sure that public safety is the DEAs true mandate.

I'm being a little selfish, I guess. I wanna keep my drugs. I use as responsibly as a recreational user can. Exhaustive research, start extremely small and work up, I don't sell them or even let them leave the house for that matter, no driving while high...all the stuff that I feel MOST of us do.

I'm not evil. If there is something that is hurting people who aren't abusing it then, by all means, get that shit off the street. I honestly don't wanna see anyone hurt. I'm even rooting for bathsalt to realize he should be a little more informed about what he ingests. But to say the DEA should make more bans because garbage can druggies are abusing whatever drug doesn't sit well.

If they ban RCs altogether I bet bathsalt will find something new to abuse at the pharmacy, hardware store, gas station....then will we call for the government to bring more bans or regulations against gas and spray paint or cough medicine? I hope not.
 
thefinalcommand said:
I'm uncomfortable hearing someone say they agree with the DEA about public safety. I'm not sure that public safety is the DEAs true mandate.
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As corrupted as it may be, I suspect it still is a basic mandate (or society would fall apart altogether). And people really have died from messing with 'bath salts' without knowing what they are, despite all the ridiculous media attention.

And the companies that have provided 'bath salts' really aren't evil, only out for profit as all companies are.

And the people that were harmed by 'bath salts' really were just partying/having fun.

And it all meshes together as "the way things are, for better or worse".

But it's fun to pick apart and criticize/talk about anyway ;).
 
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Yup, me too... talking never really changes much tho, does it.

Ever turned the sound on the TV off and just browsed the channels watching ppl talk to each other? People don't freakin *do* much, they just hang out and talk (/think) a lot... it's weird when you pay attention to it.

The Internet is the perfect reflection of the human tendency to sit around and talk/think endlessly for the sake of talking and thinking. And I don't think there's anything "loser-ish" about it... it's utterly commonplace and human. We are a very dreamy species.
 
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I agree with you ded and I appreciate you wasting a minute on a rookie. So many decent people here.

I apologize for getting off topic. I did come here for a reason but this thread doesn't seem to be precisely it. I'm trying to understand why it is I don't experience the heavy crash I hear of so often with pv. In fact, its the exact opposite. My comedown has been very gentle, no insomnia, and I've been in an amazing mood for a few days after each of my experiences.

Its weird to look for advice on something that is NOT causing problems but, I feel guilty in a weird way. I'm wondering if GOOD feelings can indicate a negative reaction? That sounds dumb as I write it but, hopefully someone will understand what I mean.

If I'm in the right place I will, gladly give details of my general background and specific use of this substance. If not, please point me towards the right thread.
 
thefinalcommand said:
I agree with you ded and I appreciate you wasting a minute on a rookie. So many decent people here.
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In many ways, I'm prob'ly more of a rookie now after messing w/stims for almost 30 years than I was at the start. They always affect me differently, every single high or 'run'. I sorta feel like I do stims these days cuz it's my karma... been messing with 'em on and off for decades, and it's just a continuation of my life as it's happened to happen... it's all good.
Its weird to look for advice on something that is NOT causing problems but, I feel guilty in a weird way. I'm wondering if GOOD feelings can indicate a negative reaction?
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I've felt guilty for feeling good while on a 'run' before, like I ought to be feeling like shit cuz it still feels euphoric. IMO, it's normal to feel kinda shitty about screwing with your health & lifespan in exchange for pleasure... you just do it or don't do it, and que sera sera.

I encourage peeps who do drugs to make peace with their drug of choice/themselves -- or quit. One or the other. "Don't avoid/deny reality" is all that matters in the end.
thefinalcommand said:
If I'm in the right place I will, gladly give details of my general background and specific use of this substance. If not, please point me towards the right thread.
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We've gone off on so much of a tangent (sowwy... my bad)... what kind of advice/help were you looking for again?
 
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I'm glad to hear that someone understands that "guilty" feeling. I've never been much on stims and have only had a few mostly uncomfortable experiences until I took a chance with pv.

This is a feeling I would compare with the waves of pure physical pleasure that I got from 2c-b and mdma. Only slightly less intense and no loss of inhibition keeps me from confessing my love to strangers or getting massaged by a man. (Yet another positive. Lol).

It seems like I should come down and be miserable. That's the rules; you don't get an amazing high, gentle comedown, easy sleep, no hangover, and residual good mood. You have to be willing to accept at least some bad with every drug, right? That's the balance.

Then the unhappiness didn't come and I thought I must have broken my brain. As recreational users, isn't my experience with pv what most of us are looking for? All the pleasure and none of the pain? What lunatic would question this?

I should also note that I haven't binged on this, and my doses haven't exceeded 10 mg at a time or 50 mg total over about 6 hours and at least 4 days between uses. I'm sure I could make it bad by pushing it harder. I do agree that its easy to cross the line from pleasure to pain with pv.

Thankfully, addiction hasn't plagued my life except for a bizarre summer in which I used PCP daily and then stopped cold and never touched it again. I don't fear addiction with this at all. I still have 3 grams, I haven't used any for 2 days, and I feel no desire to have any now. I look forward to the next chance I have time to toot some more and get happy but its not a craving.

I still don't understand it, but I'm done worrying. I've looked all over and haven't seen anything to convince me that a good mood is indication of some kind of damage. Maybe its human nature to feel like something must be wrong if we don't feel the same as everyone else. Maybe that's part of our "training". I don't know, but I'm renewing my promise to myself to not let other peoples experience color my own. I think I may read fewer trip reports until I get my own feel for a new substance. I'll get a good idea of risks and dosage then have my first impression be what I feel rather than what I read.
 
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ektamine said:
Just curious to how popular MDPV is other areas of america, and in what form (powder ordered from a RC vendor, legal high from a gas station, etc).

In my area (Northern California - just south of the bay area), I'm the only one that I know of out of all the people in all the social circles I associate with to have it. A few people know what it is from reading / teh interweb, and I've met maybe 2 other people that have tried it that I didn't give it to myself. I've only recently seen products pop up at one headshop in town that I suspect may contain MDPV.

It seems pretty much completely under the radar here. But it seems like (from reading on BL) that other parts of the country have picked up a lot more on the whole legal high / bath salt scene, and therefore introducing more to MDPV.

Whats it like in your area?
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If you could find one person in the 831 that knows about any RC, you're a champ. Mostly its just weed around here.
 
thefinalcommand said:
It seems like I should come down and be miserable. That's the rules; you don't get an amazing high, gentle comedown, easy sleep, no hangover, and residual good mood. You have to be willing to accept at least some bad with every drug, right? That's the balance.

Then the unhappiness didn't come and I thought I must have broken my brain. As recreational users, isn't my experience with pv what most of us are looking for? All the pleasure and none of the pain? What lunatic would question this?

I should also note that I haven't binged on this, and my doses haven't exceeded 10 mg at a time or 50 mg total over about 6 hours and at least 4 days between uses. I'm sure I could make it bad by pushing it harder. I do agree that its easy to cross the line from pleasure to pain with pv.
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Once you're into binging on it, all the analysis goes out the window, I assure ya. The neurotransmitter dopamine underlies the most primitive brain functions such as desire, fear, survival and sexuality (and stimulants directly boost or inhibit reuptake of dopamine, thus taking over the mechanism).

Oh, you can stop binging anytime you want to -- it's just that "wanting to do something" == "dopamine", and quitting the binge == "no dopamine". So you quit doing the drug when you want, your desire to quit (accompanied by the reasons) fades along with the high and becomes a desire to use, you pick up the drug again, and resume usage... lather, rinse, repeat. Often to one's own utter consternation, shock and bafflement.

Many a long, strange saga has been written this way, by any stim that strongly boosts dopamine. "Peace of mind/body" via avoiding dopaminergic stimulants is far better... unless it isn't. Boosted dopamine is an almost sexual "exciting dark alley" type of euphoria, and it's very attractive, at least until sleep deprivation turns it into a terrifying dark alley that can be damn hard to find your way out of.

There's a sort of twisted adventure in stim binging, really... but it isn't for the faint of heart, and eventually (and hopefully temporarily) crushes even the strongest.

Google search 'faces of meth' for an example.

Know your drug. Know yourself. Use harm reduction. Go in with open eyes. That's all.

Peace...
 
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That's my favorite. I like to just take a bath with a crazy straw.

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I'm partial to Minny
 
it's been around my hood in louisiana for about a year, to my knowledge. got explosively big: kids fucking w it then getting put in the hospital, then the next day it'd be in our little shit local newspaper. it was openly displayed in gas stations at the counter along with other bathsalts/"legal tabs"/"legal coke" . it was banned after it attracted a lot of local negative attention and none of the local gas stations infamous for their large stashes of it sell it anymore. it is now available off the street but the people who have it are trying to be very quiet about it considering what a dramatic effect it had the first time around.

also according to this article we have a higher incidence of bathsalt overdoses reported
http://nolacriminallaw.com/blog/2011/01/06/louisiana-bans-drugs-used-in-bath-salts/
"Since the end of September, Louisiana Poison Control has received 165 calls from people in crisis after snorting, smoking or injecting these dangerous substances. Eighty-five percent of these calls came from emergency room physicians or first responders caring for individuals suffering the traumatic side effects of ingesting these chemicals as drugs. These types of crises are being reported across the country and the 165 calls in Louisiana represents nearly 57 percent of calls recorded nationwide. Further, Louisiana’s reported calls about this drug are seven more times than Kentucky – which has received the second most calls at 23."

oh & mdpv is only sold in 250mg amounts here
 
I have met some people in real life who have had it, overall, it's not very popular from what I know. It's not a drug any of the people I've met in real life actually enjoyed by any means, so it wasn't popular in that sense.
 
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