Opioids Poppy Seed Tea - Why (not HOW) does it get you high?

[I Care Because You Do]

I've made poppy pod tea many times in the past, but only recently tried to make poppy SEED tea. It sorta worked... at least enough to prove to me that there are some chemicals in the tea.

However, from what I've read, it seems that it's not the actual contents of the seeds that gets you high, but the chemicals that have "rubbed" off of the poppy pod onto the seeds.

So my question is - Why, when there are more varieties of poppies that DON'T have psychoactive substances in them, do the seeds come from the opiate-containing variety? Although i know that there aren't that many people that actually go through the trouble of making tea out of the crazy amount of seeds you have to use, it seems that suppliers would be more ready to source seeds that are NOT from the opiate-containing poppy.

Thoughts?

 

[blackjesus]

RE: Original post

Its possible that the manufacturer of the seeds sourced the poppy seeds from the poppies that are active. It would make sense to me that a manufacturer on a large enough scale (even though they may not want to use active seeds) out of sheer supply would be forced into using them because they are over abundant and possibly cheaper to use. I dont think non-active poppies are grown on anywhere near the same scale as active ones.


Does this shed some light? its only my opinion so there may be an entirely different reason.

 

[sekio]

Here's a dirty secret that most people don't know.
Poppy seeds that are used in culinary preparations are from... P. somniferum, the opium poppy. Sometimes they're given the euphemistic name "breadseed poppy" or something of the sort but the fact of the matter is that those plants produce opium/morphine in their latex. Not that they're bred for alkaloid production.

As part of the seed extraction is smashing the seed capsules and taking the seeds out, some latex gets on them. Some processors wash the seeds to eliminate opium traces, some don't.

 

[TheLostBoys]

I wish pods were easy to get like they were a few years ago. I have never tried pod tea.

 

[muvolution]

Man, pod tea was a great time... but yeah, the seeds have opium residue on them, which has many alkaloids in it, but the main actives are Codeine and Morphine.

 

[I Care Because You Do]

Man, pod tea was a great time... but yeah, the seeds have opium residue on them, which has many alkaloids in it, but the main actives are Codeine and Morphine.

Right, as I said, I understand that this is why the seeds can be used for a buzz. However, I'm asking why non-active poppies aren't used, as this seems it would be easier since there are many more varieties of non-active poppies than there are active (only p. somniferum, if I'm not mistaken).

 

[veggies]

This is a good question. Any chef's able to chime in? Is there a difference in the taste/texture/etc. of somniferum vs. other poppy seeds that makes them particularly desirable?

 

[sekio]

I think it's yield - somnis give more seeds than orientales or California poppy. (wild guess)

Also there's the whole aspect of tradition to follow too. I mean, in the end poppy seeds are pretty mcuh the same across species - little black things with a nutty flavour.

 

[gtupder]

yo, i just tried it n its tyte but not that good: i felt really high but then i got up and started moving and it went away but everytime i sat down for a while i felt the high. i used 500 grams for my first time of poppy seed tea.

i used the bottle method, shakin it and leavin it for 10 minutes i did that for a hour and added lemon juice.

should i use more grams? i didnt really feel like a real opiate high...........

 

[GBM]

Best I can think is supply and demand. The supply of P.Somniferum seeds are probably exponentially higher due to the fact they are used to grow opium poppies. The higher the supply of seeds, the cheaper they will be for bakers and what not to buy. Thats just a shot in the dark though don't take my word for it.

 

[shady4091]

yo, i just tried it n its tyte but not that good: i felt really high but then i got up and started moving and it went away but everytime i sat down for a while i felt the high. i used 500 grams for my first time of poppy seed tea.

i used the bottle method, shakin it and leavin it for 10 minutes i did that for a hour and added lemon juice.

should i use more grams? i didnt really feel like a real opiate high...........

Don't leave it for that long. Shake it for 3-5 minutes max, then strain it. The goal is not to steep the seeds like a traditional tea, just to quickly wash the alkaloids from the outside of the seeds. Leaving it sit for too long ends up extracting oils from the inside of the seeds which is probably the nastiest tasting shit ever.

500 grams isn't very much but it depends on the seeds. If you didn't feel high enough, try more.

 

[Oxide]

Best I can think is supply and demand. The supply of P.Somniferum seeds are probably exponentially higher due to the fact they are used to grow opium poppies. The higher the supply of seeds, the cheaper they will be for bakers and what not to buy.

Supply and demand is exactly the reason why. The seeds certainly have value of their own, so why not sell the massive amounts that are being produced anyway?

As part of the seed extraction is smashing the seed capsules and taking the seeds out, some latex gets on them. Some processors wash the seeds to eliminate opium traces, some don't.

This is another important factor and a solid point. Some do pre-wash the seeds and that makes them pretty much useless for getting high. But there are some suppliers who do not bother washing them, since they really aren't required to do so.

 

[raver2008]

^^ Exactly, the pods are being grown anyway so might as well use the seeds from them instead of growing a seperate strain just for seeds

 

[DexterMeth]

P.somni seeds also have an "earthier and organic" taste.

 

[THC2LSD]

Exactly, the pods are being grown anyway so might as well use the seeds from them instead of growing a seperate strain just for seeds

The seeds and their oil are actually very valuable. Legit opium/morphine is sold for pretty cheap. Often the harveting of opium or pods isn't profitable on it own, the seeds are what brings in the money. I believe in much of Europe, like the Netherlands, Russia, Czech Republic, and Poland, the seeds are primarily grown for seeds, the opiates are just a by-product if they even bother to extract them.

All poppies have opiates, terms like breadseed poppy, oil poppy, and papaver paeoniflorum were invented by the poppy seed industry, who wanted less regulation and stigma. Although some "breadseed" poppies aren't good opiate producers, many, such as dutch poppies, are still pretty potent.

I don't think the opiates come from accidentally cuting too deep or from breaking up pods, no opium is leaked inward when cut to deep contrary to what is often said and the pods are harvested dry, so no opium leaks out. It would seem the seeds themselves containe opiates. Though they must do something to some seeds, since many brands don't sprout.

 

[Oxide]

^sekio outlined the reason why poppyseeds become coated with the goodies perfectly:

As part of the seed extraction is smashing the seed capsules and taking the seeds out, some latex gets on them. Some processors wash the seeds to eliminate opium traces, some don't.

Short, sweet and to the point. After the seeds have been harvested, they are either washed and then sold, or simply sold.

and that my friends, is why (some) poppyseed works it magic when you briefly wash them and drink the resulting infusion.

 

[liquid_pain]

Can you show me any source of the information that seeds may be washed before sold ? It makes no sens. Washing and then drying the seeds will take to much efort and cost.

I live in Europe, and the problem here is the GMO non-morphine poppy. It is likely that you have the same problem. The seeds have no potency because they come from special batch of papaver somnifeum, not because they are washed. But I don't know, maybe american farmers are washing the seeds . It is getting harder and harder to get good seeds from the stores. And the problem is growing. I am a PST user, and I am using my skills to separate the good seeds from the bad ones just by looking at them, but sadly more farmers are switching to the "special p.somnifeum".

I am new to this forum, so I don't know how many of PST users are here, but I hope there is someone from Czech Republik who can tell me how is the situation with the seeds.

 

[dragon moon]

yes you want un washed seed I get them for *no pricing sorry* a pound says unwashed on the container

 

[Fire&Water]

For years I could get by with a twice a year visit to my chronic pain specialist & minimal schedule II prescriptions.
Reason: I could purchase a dozen freshly dried poppies for half a sawbuck at about six different flower stands at Pike Place Market
The poppy tea worked as well as any schedule II medicine, and I spent about $3000 less a year for pain relief.
Those days are long gone...

Edit: The lbs of seeds I've collected are fragile, but they will grow...Eastern Wa. is a decent climate for them.

 

[ambien10]

Ive bought many 20lb boxes of seeds in the last year for PST with great success. If you want my advise, when looking for seeds to make pst from i recommend not only looking for unwashed but also untreated seeds. Many suppliers are beginning to not only wash their seeds but in the usa tend to treat their seeds with certain chemicals that will render the few alkaloids that are on the outside of the seed useless.

Anyway on the original topic I've read a lot about this and in my honest opinion the poppy seed has a naturally earthy bitter taste, however the bitter taste (from the alkaloids) turns slightly sweet when baked. Also the goodies on the outside of the seed are mainly morphine with a minute amount of codine, morphine begins to degrade at around 150 degrees F. Thus, when baked it doesn't really matter if there's all that mophine, its all the better for the chef's that use them.