Police: Teen on drugs dies after Taser hits

kittyinthedark said:
It is nearly impossible to REQUIRE three taser shots to subdue someone. One taser shot is enough to incapacitate ANYONE at least enough to cuff 'em and throw 'em in the car.

This is just shameful...
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i've seen people get tasered multiple times on cops and it didnt incapaitate them. one dude even got tastered, and riped the taser prongs out of his chest and kept runnign only to get tasered again........adrenaline is a powerful thing.
 
Could also be why so many people OD, they feel a little too invincible. Poor kid though, I hope future cases are handled more effectively.
 
Hmmm hard question to answer isn't it? I'm sure the cops are sweating over that one. Despite how brutal or terrible cops may be, no one likes to be responsible for death.

There are exceptions like Hitler and such, but these are exceptions, not standards.
 
Texas law enforcement are all major assholes!........everyone of them that i've had the displeasure of "meeting" act like they have a chip on their shoulder............plus there are very few inshape officers....most either look like they spend all day drinking beer and eating at a buffet.......the rest look like they weigh 130pounds soaking wet......thats why they use the tasers....most would get their ass beat without them...............
 
would the electric shock from the taster be more lethal
to the heart when the heart is already stimulated by
ecstasy and (a bit) LSD?

"Furthermore, drug companies have no business
advertising prescription drugs to general public,
period."
 
I'm sure his increased heart rate from the drugs did not help him when he was stunned by electricity. I bet the cause of death is heart related.

A 17 year old though, with a young heart. Was this kid unhealthy or something? Shouldn't a young kid be able to stand that, or no?
 
I know you would all like to believe that the cops are torn up over this tragedy, but I can testify to the fact that there are some cops who consider this a sort of victory. I dated a girl whose brother in law was a power tripping sherrif and he was a scary guy. Abused his wife and kids and called it discipline. Guy never blinked when he talked. He and I had an argument one day about my son and he took me to the side and told me straight out plain as day he would just as soon see my son hit by a car as take a nap. Said he would shoot him on sight first chance he had a reason. Believe me there are some messed up poeple out there.

Of course, I'm no passivist, and that particular cop is currently under investigation for domestic violence. He has since stopped talking to me and mine because like any bully, he backed right the fuck off when I set the teeth on him.

Point is, not everyone has compassion for kids experimenting with drugs. Some people are just purely assholes, and the percentage of that type of person is much higher within the ranks of the police. I have worked hand in hand with police teaching self defense to women, and I have two close friends who are cops. They are good guys and they will readily attest to what I'm proposing here.

A good cop will tell you there is nothing scarier than a bad cop.
 
synchojet, I understand such cops exist. They are not the standard, and I'm sure some areas have much smaller numbers of such cops. Such as commonwealth states.
 
Street level cops in this country are generally the bottom of the barrel in society. I'm sure whoever was responsible for this celebrated it as a great moral victory.
 
How can one who is so actively resistant to the point that they need subduing die of 'cocaine asphyxiatin'? There is no doubt that the police Taser was the only cause of death. The cover up of the murders is a gross miscarriage of justice.
 
hmm if you look at the cases of 6 people who died after being tasered, three of them were on cocaine, one on E and one had a heart condition.. methinks the taser is pretty hard on your heart especially when you're already pushing it to the max
 
mmm....the police have a new means of fighting the war on drugs! Just shoot people with tasers and if they drop dead then you know they were using drugs and deserved to die...
8(
 
creative its ignorant to say it takes a lot to kill a person with a taser. the voltage doesn't matter as much as the current (number of milliamps) delivered. its about how much electricity is delivered in a given period of time. furthermore, a shot to the heart can be fatal while a shot to the arm will only hurt a little.

the article says he died after being in a coma. so the e was gone from his system, the accute effects of the drug had worn off. unless they are trying to say he was in an ecstasy induced coma (which I've never heard of), the taser played a role in the death. maybe it wasn't the cops fault, but we shouldn't be so naive to think that tasers are harmless ways to subdue would be criminals, especially if they suspect they are on drugs. there are safer ways that simply require more effort. taser companies make profit and cops get to shoot people (and not have to run), so its a perfect deal for them both


this is my opinion on shocking people with coke in their system from the other thread:
im guessing that the cocaine in his system had to do with his death, but not by accute causes. nearly everyone who dies on coke dies because of a heart attack/infarction. tasering someone is going to have a much greater effect on the ability of the heart to beat properly. all the coroner needed was an excuse to get his buddy off the hook. since he was innocent of the car burglary, look for more legislative actions from the family

its funny. if they used tranqulizer guns like they do on animals, it would probably be safer, and just as effective.

but because you are pumping them with drugs, it would be seen as inhumane by most americans
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oh and btw creative, they did find out who shot the toddler in california - it was the cops fault. but its legal, and cops go by the book when it comes to their own safety
 
CreativeRandom said:
It takes alot to kill someone with a tazer. I don't think many of you have ever seen a tazer in use before.
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It didn't take much with this kid, or the other recent ones in texas. Police are trained with every weapon they use. There was no reason to do it 3 times. One would have been enough to catch him off guard and tackle/subdue him. I've seen tasers in use more than once. It is police brutality, straight up. If the kid was that hardcore, all 3 tasers weren't shot at once, and he kept fighing after the first one, they should have used other non electrical weapons (ie. nightsticks). They killed him. Real fucked up.
 
I feel so bad for this guy's family. They must feel so frustrated right now, looking for answers. Still i know tazers do save lives, although, the cops around here rarely use them. They have a choice weather or not to equip themselves with one, and most actually don't take it, pepper spray works fine, and is much safer.

Regardless incidents like these are uncommon. IMO tazers are a good tool for the police, they should be able to protect themselves.

I'm surprised to hear that the authorities in Texas are actually beer-belly, redneck, hardballing assholes(i thought that was just for the movies). I must say the cops up here are extremely understanding when it comes to drugs, not once have i been charged when caught with possesion of marijuana. All they do is take it and tell you to use on your own property. LOL, they're in shape too, but I'm sure not all the cops in texas are fat, although it makes sense, Housten's the fattest city in the U.S.
 
Cops have no problem arresting people, knowing they are going to goto prison for long periods of time for victimless crimes, yet they are mostly compasionate. Anyone that lacks the soul to become a pig lacks the remorse to give a fuck about killing someone. Also, almost everytime I read of a cop killing someone it somehow seems the cops always get off, if they were so remorseful they would goto jail, and do their time just like the people they arrest everyday.
 
Group urges taser ban after N.S. man dies
Last updated Jul 19 2005 10:42 AM ADT
CBC News
Amnesty International is renewing its call for police to suspend the use of Tasers following the death of a Digby, N.S., man.

Paul Saulnier, 42, walked into the RCMP detachment in Digby Friday afternoon. When he was told he was being arrested and charged, he left the building. It took three officers to finally bring him down in the parking lot.

When pepper spray and batons didn't work, police used a Taser. The hand-held weapon delivers a jolt of electricity, which immobilizes the person targeted.

"They were holding him down, and with the Taser going at his side and the back side of him and he was trying to move and get up or get away from them," said Julie-Ann Hyson, who watched from across the road.

A few minutes later, Saulnier stopped moving. Paramedics were called, but he was already dead. Police say it could be weeks before they know exactly what killed Saulnier.

"This was a pretty big man in a very violent, irritated state. The members did as best they could given the tools they had at hand to bring the individual down," said Sgt. Frank Skidmore, an RCMP spokesperson.

INDEPTH: Tasers
John Tackaberry, with Amnesty International, said the use of Tasers should be suspected until more scientific research is done. He also wants to see tighter controls put in place.

"In a couple of recent cases, the multiple use is a concern. The multiple use of Tasers can actually lead to the inability of people to breathe and that can cause death in these circumstances," Tackaberry said.

A study is underway for the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police. The group hopes to have the results later this summer and may draft a new set of guidelines for police across the country.

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