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Police Brutality Thread

@dalpat077 isn't on here by now. Very unusual. I wonder if he is making breakfast in bed for someone on Mothers Day or sleeping in and snoring.

Hope all is well bud. Really can't start the day without a dose of your sarcasm. :love:
 
@dalpat077 isn't on here by now. Very unusual. I wonder if he is making breakfast in bed for someone on Mothers Day or sleeping in and snoring.

Hope all is well bud. Really can't start the day without a dose of your sarcasm. :love:
Hey. I'm good. As I just noted on the, now infamous, Alprazolam thread: just had some of my own unexpected shit to deal with yesterday and today.

Never fear though: been reading everything (a good joke in and of itself i.e. tell you about it tomorrow).

Some really really great posts here since my last post though. Will catch up tomorrow.

Um. Thanks for noticing though! ❤️ Reminds me of something Rep. Barney Frank (D) once said on Charley Rose: at least he always knew he could count on ONE vote (his own vote when voting for himself)! 🤣
 
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Good morning Fort Apache. How's things?

Obviously I have some catching up to do. So in reverse order then...

Well there's another way of looking at this of course: in this case the dude got what he wanted i.e. not necessarily what he deserved.

Fun fact: the percentage of successful suicides with handguns not quite as high as most believe! Shotguns: right at the top of the list (although even then a small percentage of potential Darwin Award contestants botch it somehow)! 🤣

The details are a bit sketchy from the reports I'm afraid. From what I gather: there were already two officers in the house and one was busy having a chit chat with the suspect. And who also sold this officer out.

And I see the networks are being very economical with the body cam footage i.e. I've been unable to find the raw footage. And sadly: the quality, even from the little snippets floating around, ain't that great.

But I see the civil suit, of course, was filed a year ago. Just saying. I wonder what would happen if this business of being able to file civil suits was done away with? Or at very least were not an option until after a trial and successful conviction of the officer(s) involved. Just musing.

Highly charged situation, weapons involved, what do you expect. And OF COURSE: he was shot after being ordered several times to drop the weapon. But oh sorry. He had mental health issues apparently. People with mental health issues are not capable of shooting law enforcement officers. Yeah right. Go take a look at that police channel.

Next... 🤣
 
I realize I'm day or three late to the party but for good measure see this (released on Saturday, 8 May 2021). Arguably from the last untainted network left standing. And with educated commentary.

 
I agree to some extent, but what is relevant is whether or not the rate of police shootings is higher than other countries. I don't believe that police are intentionally murdering Black Americans because of the colour of their skin. I do, however, think police in the US are accidentally killing more people than necessary... but it's a tricky problem to solve considering the rampant crime problems in certain neighbourhoods.
But why is it relevant? Unless merely for the sake of discussion and debate? And this site is ostensibly and American site?

My point being: we've already been through this. And with statistics. There simply isn't a problem save for the media (all of it) and their bullshit. Oh and the political climate. Let's not forget to factor that in. And never forget: four years isn't a long time! Just around the corner. Believe it or not.

The totals just don't indicate that there's a problem. Caveat being is that when you break them down (and once again as we've shown and by a detailed study no less) (albeit that it was used and abused to push a race narrative). For the tenth time: there are certain areas where black people are more likely to be shot than white people. Sheer numbers, socioeconomic conditions, pick your poison. But overall: there's simply no issue and it's all nonsense. But the damage that it's causing is being underestimated. And I sincerely hope that one day these pundits are reckoned with.


The level of outrage surrounding police shootings is absurd. The number is pretty low. Given the hype surrounding Floyd, you'd think people were dying like flies.
Agreed. But see my last two sentences above.


Having said all that: can you explain to me what is the point of shooting someone in the back when they're running away?

Police should only ever shoot people if they pose a threat to others.
Well. Here I'm not quite in agreement with you. Although thanks to @Burnt Offerings's post and article posted: I've now got a slightly different perspective on this. Note: SLIGHTLY i.e. I'm not a total convert! 🤣

I think there's certain factors that cannot be ignored or simply dismissed out of hand. My point being: it's a judgment call. How do you, or law enforcement, know that said runner is NOT a POTENTIAL threat to others? Suppose the dude is a wanted and known felon and is armed and decides to make a run for it? Or better yet: suppose the dude is unarmed but off of his head on something and decides to make a run for it? Noting, as I have already, this after the dude has been stopped, taken in hand, and then decides to make a run for it. And then goes on from there to commit a crime, take a hostage, murder somebody, whatever. You get the picture. Can you imagine the headlines then? "Law enforcement incompetent and not doing their jobs". Wanna have a bet on that? It's a judgement call. And they are paid and trained to make such calls.

Personal opinion (and after some more thought on this over the weekend) and mistakes or not: law enforcement has more right to make an error in judgment than somebody that finds themselves on the wrong side of the law for whatever reason.

And I'm very sorry but I HONESTLY HONESTLY cannot see that a law enforcement officer is simply going to stop a-n-other stranger for no reason, haul them out of their vehicle, and try cuff them or whatever. If they comply, don't act up, and are not under the influence, or don't give law enforcement any reason to suspect that there's something amiss, then why would they? I mean for what reason? And conversely: why would a suspect just off and run anyway for no reason? Fear you may say. Well now. That'd be interesting. And who do you suppose instilled that fear in them? People's anger and outrage and mistrust is misdirected.

Prime examples of what I'm talking about are these fuckers that have been pulled over, fuck drunk out of their minds (or worse), been questioned or ordered out of their vehicles, and then try to make a run for it, and then get the fuck shot out of themselves. And they become martyrs. And not to mention portrayed as absolute saints. And not to mention the civil suits that follow. If they were not shot to shit and collided with another vehicle and killed innocent occupants can you imagine the headlines (again)? And I'm just repeating myself here. Again.

Instead of building statues and agreeing to abhorrent settlements: the people should be banging down the doors of politicians etc. and making them fearful and accountable i.e. fix the societal problems etc. with those millions and millions and millions. Then you'll see a/the difference. But it's all fucked up.

You know and on the above: how many millions did it take to put that little fucking toy helicopter on Mars that everybody celebrated and got so excited about? it's debauched.
 
sure. right up until they shoot someone in the back who's running away.
Well. To an extent I've already made my argument for this now in my other posts of this morning.


i can't find any evidence that kohler was armed - can you provide any?

the officer in question has been charged with murder, using a firearm in the commission of a felony and shooting into an occupied vehicle. he'll have his day in court.
I've not found any evidence of his being armed either. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't. And even if he wasn't: how was law enforcement supposed to know that? And even if the latter is found wanting: why did he try drive off?

I'm sorry but to me: the story is always the same. It just comes in different shapes and sizes.

Not arguing with you directly by the way.

But a thought: take a look at just the cases cited on this thread (although more than happy to fill this thread up with a few hundred other links to body cam footage depicting the same). Would these people all have been shot had they complied? No. How many of them would have been cut loose because it was found that they were indeed totally innocent of everything: I know not. I'm guessing though that the majority would have found themselves in a holding cell if only for one night.

Come to think of it and directly on the topic of this thread: what is the absolute worst that would have happened to Mr. Floyd had he not resisted? I don't know the law there. But I doubt very much that (let's ASSUME unknowingly) handing over a $20 bill is a capital offense (if you feel me). Then again: fucking around with your (any) country's currency is pretty serious. I wonder. Given the antics of him and his mate in the store as per the CCTV footage? "Unknowingly" is a stretch. Maybe there's my own answer right there. Passing out fake currency, coupled with his priors, shit storm of note.
 
Well. Turns out I wasn't that far behind on posts! 🤣

Fun fact: for the first time in my BL history I happened to use a mobile phone to view this thread from a remote location over the weekend (during my absence). Fuck me. It's no wonder nobody reads my shit! Found myself scrolling and scrolling and scrolling just to skip over my own fucking posts! 🤣

Maybe from now on I should post a mobile version of posts as well! 🤣 You know: posts that exclude THE CHAFF! 🤣
 
dalpat077 said:
How do you, or law enforcement, know that said runner is NOT a POTENTIAL threat to others? Suppose the dude is a wanted and known felon and is armed and decides to make a run for it? Or better yet: suppose the dude is unarmed but off of his head on something and decides to make a run for it? Noting, as I have already, this after the dude has been stopped, taken in hand, and then decides to make a run for it. And then goes on from there to commit a crime, take a hostage, murder somebody, whatever. You get the picture.

So you're basically talking about the pre-crime division of police in Minority Report, minus the precogs? (Let's shoot people in the back to prevent them from potentially murdering someone in the future.)

The totals just don't indicate that there's a problem.

The totals demonstrate there is a problem, but if you analyse the stats it's clear the problem isn't due to systemic racism. It's not a big problem, but it is a problem.

To be clear, the problem isn't the police.

As I demonstrated, police fatal shootings are proportionate to violent crime.

The problem is: African Americans are committing too much violent crime. The civilian homicide rate is a MUCH bigger problem, but your typical virtue signalling lefties are too afraid of being racist to have that discussion.

People go on and on about "militarizing" the police, but I don't have an issue with that. If you're doing something that requires police officers to wear riot gear or launch tear gas at you, that's on you.

I don't see a huge difference between soldiers and police officers. They both have a responsibility to do the right thing. It's unrealistic to demand that people in high stress environments are perfect 100% of the time... but we are centuries beyond shooting people in the back.
 
So you're basically talking about the pre-crime division of police in Minority Report, minus the precogs? (Let's shoot people in the back to prevent them from potentially murdering someone in the future.)
Sounds like a plan! 🤣

Put yourself in law enforcement's position for a minute. Imagine being on the force for three decades and not once having been giving a socially acceptable excuse or opportunity to fire on a suspect! 🤣
 
But why is it relevant? Unless merely for the sake of discussion and debate? And this site is ostensibly and American site?

My point being: we've already been through this. And with statistics. There simply isn't a problem save for the media (all of it) and their bullshit. Oh and the political climate. Let's not forget to factor that in. And never forget: four years isn't a long time! Just around the corner. Believe it or not.

The totals just don't indicate that there's a problem. Caveat being is that when you break them down (and once again as we've shown and by a detailed study no less) (albeit that it was used and abused to push a race narrative). For the tenth time: there are certain areas where black people are more likely to be shot than white people. Sheer numbers, socioeconomic conditions, pick your poison. But overall: there's simply no issue and it's all nonsense. But the damage that it's causing is being underestimated. And I sincerely hope that one day these pundits are reckoned with.



Agreed. But see my last two sentences above.



Well. Here I'm not quite in agreement with you. Although thanks to @Burnt Offerings's post and article posted: I've now got a slightly different perspective on this. Note: SLIGHTLY i.e. I'm not a total convert! 🤣

I think there's certain factors that cannot be ignored or simply dismissed out of hand. My point being: it's a judgment call. How do you, or law enforcement, know that said runner is NOT a POTENTIAL threat to others? Suppose the dude is a wanted and known felon and is armed and decides to make a run for it? Or better yet: suppose the dude is unarmed but off of his head on something and decides to make a run for it? Noting, as I have already, this after the dude has been stopped, taken in hand, and then decides to make a run for it. And then goes on from there to commit a crime, take a hostage, murder somebody, whatever. You get the picture. Can you imagine the headlines then? "Law enforcement incompetent and not doing their jobs". Wanna have a bet on that? It's a judgement call. And they are paid and trained to make such calls.

Personal opinion (and after some more thought on this over the weekend) and mistakes or not: law enforcement has more right to make an error in judgment than somebody that finds themselves on the wrong side of the law for whatever reason.

And I'm very sorry but I HONESTLY HONESTLY cannot see that a law enforcement officer is simply going to stop a-n-other stranger for no reason, haul them out of their vehicle, and try cuff them or whatever. If they comply, don't act up, and are not under the influence, or don't give law enforcement any reason to suspect that there's something amiss, then why would they? I mean for what reason? And conversely: why would a suspect just off and run anyway for no reason? Fear you may say. Well now. That'd be interesting. And who do you suppose instilled that fear in them? People's anger and outrage and mistrust is misdirected.

Prime examples of what I'm talking about are these fuckers that have been pulled over, fuck drunk out of their minds (or worse), been questioned or ordered out of their vehicles, and then try to make a run for it, and then get the fuck shot out of themselves. And they become martyrs. And not to mention portrayed as absolute saints. And not to mention the civil suits that follow. If they were not shot to shit and collided with another vehicle and killed innocent occupants can you imagine the headlines (again)? And I'm just repeating myself here. Again.

Instead of building statues and agreeing to abhorrent settlements: the people should be banging down the doors of politicians etc. and making them fearful and accountable i.e. fix the societal problems etc. with those millions and millions and millions. Then you'll see a/the difference. But it's all fucked up.

You know and on the above: how many millions did it take to put that little fucking toy helicopter on Mars that everybody celebrated and got so excited about? it's debauched.
The "fuck" and "fucking' and "fuckers" are indicative of how you are feeling today. <3
 
Well. Turns out I wasn't that far behind on posts! 🤣

Fun fact: for the first time in my BL history I happened to use a mobile phone to view this thread from a remote location over the weekend (during my absence). Fuck me. It's no wonder nobody reads my shit! Found myself scrolling and scrolling and scrolling just to skip over my own fucking posts! 🤣

Maybe from now on I should post a mobile version of posts as well! 🤣 You know: posts that exclude THE CHAFF! 🤣
You are the chaff man. And the egg man. I am the walrus. Goo goo ga choo.
 
It has become clear to me that nobody is listening, but I'm going to repeat it again.

1. Black people are more of a threat than white people; and men are more of a threat than women. This isn't racist or sexist. It is reality. Unless you are risk blind (and you feel equally threatened by a child as you do a man) you are also guilty of 'profiling'.

2. The stats don't disagree with me. Black people are shot disproportionately because they commit violent crimes disproportionately. Again, this also applies to men (versus women). If Unless you believe the police are sexist, what you're saying doesn't make sense.


I wonder if tallying the whole white vs black everything in statistics is creating a part of the problem here.

I dunno how many years ago the change happened with describing words here happened but aboriginal or white etc aren't used often or at all in general news, caucasian or dark skin is when describing perps or suspects.


Is it really necessary to even comment on the race of a cop or criminal anyway?

It seems it could create a racial issue anything there is a white vs black thing and its not likely the majority of encounters are racist. Dont hear much about white on white or black on black.

Not sure if this was an entirely racist event, it probably isn't at all, definitely a cop responsible for a death, just like the white Aussie Sheila who died, shouldn't have happened.
 
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (WTXL) — Zach Wester, the former Jackson County Deputy fired for planting evidence during traffic stops will face a jury starting Monday, May 10.

The jury selection in State v. Wester was completed May 5, 2021. The jury consisting of six jurors and three alternates will hear the case at the Jackson County Courthouse.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement started its investigation into Wester in August 2018 and believes his actions resulted in more than 100 people being wrongly charged. Wester entered a not guilty plea in July.

According to court records, Wester is looking at 76 charges that include official misconduct, perjury, fabrication of evidence, possession of drugs, and false imprisonment

In most of the incidents reported in the affidavit, Wester's body-cam was either not recording, or only recorded part of the stop, whether that was the initial connection with the driver, or after a search of the car had already started.

Investigators believe that Wester placed drugs and other paraphernalia inside at least 16 victims' cars when his camera was off.

"The investigation revealed 42 items of drug paraphernalia, 10 separately packaged quantities of methamphetamine, and five separate items of marijuana. All of those items were recovered in deputy Wester's patrol vehicle," said Chris Williams, Assistant Special Agent in charge of FDLE Pensacola region.

If Wester is found guilty of all charges, he could face about 13 and a half years in state prison.

The jury consists of two female jurors and seven male jurors. The trial is anticipated to last roughly three weeks.


Doesn't involve lethal force but definitely a case of police misconduct
 
There is something really dissonant about this thread compared to everywhere else in Bluelight where the police are maligned as the enemy, as corrupt, as ‘just out to get’ people, as enforcers for an evil capitalism, as goon and thugs. It seems they are, except in the context of shooting black people (in the back or anywhere else, on the run or otherwise, actually armed or not) where they have somehow become stoic and possibly defenders of civilisation. If I had the time I’d drill down to individual inconsistencies in the way people post in CEPS vs in the drug forums, but I have only a little amount of drug fuelled energy left, so I’ll leave it at the differences in vibe.
 
There is something really dissonant about this thread compared to everywhere else in Bluelight where the police are maligned as the enemy, as corrupt, as ‘just out to get’ people, as enforcers for an evil capitalism, as goon and thugs. It seems they are, except in the context of shooting black people (in the back or anywhere else, on the run or otherwise, actually armed or not) where they have somehow become stoic and possibly defenders of civilisation. If I had the time I’d drill down to individual inconsistencies in the way people post in CEPS vs in the drug forums, but I have only a little amount of drug fuelled energy left, so I’ll leave it at the differences in vibe.
Man, I had a whole post written and it somehow deleted itself. Don't feel like reimagining the whole thing because it was probably tl;dr...

But I'll just say that my message is consistent across the board in regards to mercenaries hired by the State to generate income and keep you docile and afraid like the good consumer you are... and that is...

'f 12'
 
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