You guys are really going to have this argument again? :D
Looks almost identical to me.
Try to recall the conclusions back then...
Man, I really think you're hurting your argument here, I pulled up a quick study
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf literally my first google result.
If you look at the first page, for arrests and convictions (yes I understand that this is what you're saying), but they say that black people get convicted 3.5 times more (relatively speaking). Of course a whole bunch of factors influence the conviction rate and whatnot, but not to a degree of 250%, that's just willingly ignoring things. To me this is classic cultural leftism, from academic high horses talking around everything, and that is exactly why the left never gets any respect by conservatives. And I don't say it's particularly the black communities fault, just decades of things going really wrong from all sides.
You won't in my country, that is a legit research question. Of course you can go investigate that with the necessary nuances and everything.
I really hate this, the true death of the left, be real I say, don't tiptoe around everything, it's so counter productive.
Look at the study I gave you, for violent crimes that don't include 'other assault', black people are on average 4.5x more likely to be convicted for them! 4.5x, you can start bringing up all external factors you want, this is a crazy amount. Of course some factors like systemic racism and racial profiling have some effect, but not that large, this is extremely obvious to everyone except some. Now what are the real problems? Police brutality and unhealthy environments leading to terrible policy-civilian relationships, social status (where race can also come in), probably some cultural factors (gangs?), so many things... Many people in this thread have brought up excellent points regarding this.
But how can anyone solve a problem when this isn't even recognized?
Firstly, I should say that I believe that Blacks commit more crimes in certain categories than white people. The converse is also true, to the extent that white collar crime is ever prosecuted in America.
Second, I should say I believe very strongly in individual agency (the ability to decide not commit crime) and therefore in culpability and punishment.
However, conviction rates are predicated on any number of factors. In America a big one is the use of plea bargains when an offender is faced with capital punishment, a mandatory sentence, or generally harsh likely punishment and cannot afford proper legal representation.
Police have discretion in what they charge people with. We saw that even in the Chauvin case where people believed it should be either a higher degree of murder on one hand or manslaughter on the other.
To deal with court backlogs and the burden of prosecuting a case it is common practice to charge someone with the most heinous crime and let them bargain it down to a guilty plea on something lesser out of fear and pack of legal resources. Another win for the police and another data point for the statistics.
The evidence suggests this practice overly effects Black people more, though not exclusively so.
Interestingly, I found a recent paper that describes this thread perfectly. Here is the Abstract:
The Numbers Don’t Speak for Themselves: Racial Disparities and the Persistence of Inequality in the Criminal Justice System
Rebecca C. Hetey, Jennifer L. Eberhardt
Current Directions in Psychological Science, First Published May 3, 2018
Abstract
Many scolars and activists assume the public would be motivated to fight inequality if only they knew the full extent of existing disparities. Ironically, exposure to extreme disparities can cause people to become more, not less, supportive of the very policies that create those disparities (Hetey & Eberhardt, 2014). Here, we focus on the criminal justice system—policing and incarceration in particular. We argue that bringing to mind racial disparities in this domain can trigger fear and stereotypic associations linking Blacks with crime. Therefore, rather than extending an invitation to reexamine the criminal justice system, the statistics about disparities may instead provide an opportunity to justify and rationalize the disparities found within that system. With the goals of spurring future research and mitigating this paradoxical and unintended effect, we propose three potential strategies for more effectively presenting information about racial disparities: (a) offer context, (b) challenge associations, and (c) highlight institutions.
