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Police Brutality Thread

It's quite widely studied and accepted that drug dealing in inner city neighborhoods is an entrepreneurial endeavor - necessitated due to the fact of little to no resources for the people in these communities and the fact that every human being needs to survive.

So again, it's a symptom of a societal problem.

Gangs as well - a horrible, ugly symptom of a people that sometimes have little to no opportunities to begin with

Still saying a whole lot without actually saying anything. Most entrepreneurial acts don't involve kids murdering each other on street corners, grieving mothers and memorial shrines on every block. Are we to excuse these acts at the cost of innocent victims in the neighborhood. Why don't you go ask some of those mothers, who had their kids killed in the name of economic necessity how they feel about the drug dealing.
 
Again not excusing these police killings. I was simply highlighting factors that mitigate statistics.

Still saying a whole lot without actually saying anything. Most entrepreneurial acts don't involve kids murdering each other on street corners, grieving mothers and memorial shrines on every block. Are we to excuse these acts at the cost of innocent victims in the neighborhood. Why don't you go ask some of those mothers, who had their kids killed in the name of economic necessity how they feel about the drug dealing.

I get what you're saying. It's an incredibly complex set of interconnected variables. And, the rhetoric from some people just further exacerbates the problem.

When you're starving and poor, you'll become desperate. And then being concerned about social constructs doesn't matter much anymore, especially when those social constructs are failing you to begin with.

The blame does not all lie with the people. If there's no chance to succeed, what do you expect people to do. They will do what is necessary.

Just like any animal who doesn't benefit from a social construct. Every animal will try to survive - homo sapiens are no different.
 
People need to wake up and realize that this isn't black vs white. It's more have and have not. Plenty of white people in abject poverty.

I somewhat agree here, but I would say proportionally it's not accurate. And, there is no denying inherent racism still alive today.
 
What you're saying is any people who are cast aside from the benefits of our social constructs, should just instantly become well adjusted functioning members of society and everything would be fine.

It can't work that way, since the systemic problems starts from the second they are born. And there are generations of people, at this point, all surviving in these communities.

It will take time and resources and society to:

A. Acknowledging the problem
B. Accepting the problem
C. Be willing to come up with solutions
D. Execute said solutions - which will take time

And then, to make matters worse, you're judging what they do to survive on a basis of acceptable behavior in our social construct
 
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This is people's livelihoods

yeah, it is. The one that was snuffed out by the cops, and the countless others who have been as well. You see, when property is damaged, especially when it's a car or business, it is most of the time insured and even if it's not it is ultimately replaceable. A human life is not replaceable.

To advocate rioting and looting as a solution starts a very dangerous trend towards more violence

I've not seen anyone "advocating" for it. As I said before, it's simple cause and effect. It's a natural reaction to years and decades of pent up frustration. If you want to blame someone, I suggest you start with the people wearing badges murdering unarmed black people.

It's extremely disturbing that so many people feel that rioting and looting is a viable solution and is justified in this situation.

yeah, that's the disturbing thing.
 
People need to wake up and realize that this isn't black vs white. It's more have and have not. Plenty of white people in abject poverty.

as a white male who grew up in abject poverty, I can tell you it's really not the same. if I was born with dark skin in Chicago my life would've been a lot different in lots of bad ways.
 
You know this statement is misleading yet you type it and hit post anyway. Why?
Was just stating a fact. Some people are surprisingly surprised to know this.
You want to parse through the per capita statistics but then your interest probably stops at per capita violent crime rates and frequency of involvement with police which contribute to shootings.
I don't like to get into this stuff at these times but it's necessary when people jump straight on the anti-white/anti-police emotional bandwagon.

Burn more shit down. Fucking ACAB. So happy to see the station burn.
Misdirected anger leads people to support making the situation worse.
Are these protesters going to attack the policeman involved directly? The chief of police? Corrupt state attorneys?
Why are the people who arguably deserve to be attacked never attacked? Why are people directed to destroy their own communities?
Think about it.
So many people are being so easily led. On purpose IMO.
The results of all this is more racial tension and an excuse for police to implement even tighter controls.

you know you're a good little capitalist when human beings are being slaughtered but what you're worried about is property being damaged.
These types of comments just show you out of touch with reality you are. How about that property belong to actual people often struggling to make a living in their own communities?

Black Small Business Owner Breaks Down After Minneapolis Riots Consume His Life's Work
 
Also interesting that Keith Ellison from MN tweeted that photo of him smiling and holding an ANTIFA book a couple of years ago (tweet now deleted).
ANTIFA are out in force making things worse in some areas.
A lot of this unrest is directed and fueled from behind the scenes.
Those cops could have protected their police station but they were ordered to leave so that it could be destroyed.
 
There is definitely racial bias in this country and no unarmed killings are justified but to simply label all events that fit a profile as racially motivated killings and blanket cases of systematic racism is just as misleading.

Right, this is exactly my point. There IS racial injustice, so to jump to the conclusion that cops killing unarmed black citizens as not racially motivated because some cops kill white people too is tacitly deflecting the problem and explaining it away as happenstance. This is about far more than just this particular instance of police brutality. You can't look at every case in a vacuum or else we will always be stuck here. Sure, media coverage of white against black police violence is disproportionately covered. But that's because it's proportionally a larger problem and until recently it has been swept under the rug almost completely, tacitly allowed. Everyone knows some police abuse their authority against all races, I don't think anyone would try to deny that. But many people, seemingly yourself included, routinely try to deny that this problem disproportionately affects black communities.

Also there is a difference between brutalizing/killing an unarmed black man who was not resisting arrest, to killing an armed black man who legitimately was threatening the lives of the officer(s). This case being the former.

I agree that police brutality against anyone at all is a problem. But going by the graph of stats of people killed by police in 2019, when you take per capita into consideration, it is nearly 3.5x as frequent for a black person to be killed by cops (3.356x is my math is correct) than it is for a white person. This is an overwhelmingly large difference.

as a white male who grew up in abject poverty, I can tell you it's really not the same. if I was born with dark skin in Chicago my life would've been a lot different in lots of bad ways.

This. Most cops are white (as are most of every profession since 74% of Americans are white), and any given white cop (in aggregate, not every single specific individual white cop, of course) is more likely to use excessive force against a black person (or other non-white person) than they are against a white person. There are many reasons for this and it's not as simple as pure racism... part of it is that as you pointed out, in many communities, black people are more likely to be in gangs, or to hate the police. Besides the outright psychopaths who enjoy hurting people, and those psychopaths who are also specifically racists, police are scared of black people moreso than they are on white people. But why is this? It's not because of poor character choices. It's because of a deep-seated system of oppression and removal of opportunities, the largest opportunity remaining being gang involvement. Just because some black people from poor backgrounds choose to not join a life of crime and find a way out to better their lives, it doesn't mean that them getting caught up into gang life as teenagers because they have been indoctrinated or see no other choice means they somehow deserve it or that they are morally worse than poor white people who don't face the same struggles, though they face many struggles just the same.

And let me say again, this was a murder of an unarmed black man who was not resisting arrest, not a shooting of a gang member who was threatening the lives of the officers.

But yeah, we also have a big problem with haves vs have nots in America. It is more than a racism problem, but racism is a problem, especially for the people affected by it.

People claiming that making this about racial injustice is making racism worse are far off the mark. Making this about racial injustice is, finally, attempting to actually address a deep-seated and longstanding issue that directly traces its roots back to lynchings and the civil rights movement. To suggest it's unrelated is to ignore (quite recent) history.

If I had to venture a guess, I would think the rates of white cops killing black people is FAR lower now than it was before the age of camera phones and the media highlighting police brutality against black people. Hell, even when it's reported, typically the cop only loses their job and doesn't even face criminal charges. That still gives the tacit message that it is okay to kill unarmed civilians if they're black, if you happen to get caught, you'll get a slap on the wrist. Before these killings were reported, before people were able to easily provide video evidence, cops like this could literally get away with murder without any real chance of any justice whatsoever. Contrast that, though, with a black cop (or white cop, but especially black) killing an unarmed white man... you better believe there would be full retribution from the law.

Also you have to consider people are just looking at the numbers of killings... there are many instances of police brutality that do not result in death. I am curious to see figures on police violence on a race basis.
 
i know. this really blew up.
what next.
jesus christ pose.

what is happening to my world ☹
 
^"The Man with the Black Umbrella" is rumored to be a St. Paul cop, but I haven't seen anything concrete or conclusive, just social media insinuations this far.
 
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