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Police Brutality Thread

Deru said:
Anyone who is more upset by the looting then an innocent man being murdered needs to seriously work on themselves
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Who says I’m more upset? Just pointing out it makes no sense to go stealing because a man died.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
does rioting help in any way at all?
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TheLoveBandit said:
What's the remedy? Burn and loot and steal shit
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Burning and looting is not a "remedy"...I never said it was. It's a natural reaction of a community when they see their government not reacting appropriately to an injustice. Of course there are unintended consequences, of course it's going to end up hurting someone who didn't deserve it. What I'm saying is I'm going to spend my energy demonizing the actual bad guys in this situation--the ones who started it. The one who killed the helpless man on the ground. I'm not going to shift the focus to the people who are acting out in anger because they fucking should be angry. How many times does this same shit have to happen? Don't you think if calling your Congressman or making a poster was going to help it would have a long time ago?
 
mal3volent said:
Burning and looting is not a "remedy"...I never said it was. It's a natural reaction of a community when they see their government not reacting appropriately to an injustice. Of course there are unintended consequences, of course it's going to end up hurting someone who didn't deserve it. What I'm saying is I'm going to spend my energy demonizing the actual bad guys in this situation--the ones who started it. The one who killed the helpless man on the ground. I'm not going to shift the focus to the people who are acting out in anger because they fucking should be angry. How many times does this same shit have to happen? Don't you think if calling your Congressman or making a poster was going to help it would have a long time ago?
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Exactly. We've tried peaceful. Didn't work.
 
Dumb fucks need shooting.
target the police or politicians. Don’t burn your neighbours car ffs
 
Soso78 said:
Dumb fucks need shooting.
target the police or politicians. Don’t burn your neighbours car ffs
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How you going to do that when every cop is making a human wall around their house? Come on.

Join realty.

Did you watch the mayor's press conference at 1 am last night? It sure sounds like he removed all city cops out of that area, specifically, to allow people to do what they needed and/or wanted to do.

Sometimes, there will be collateral damage.
 
Deru said:
How you going to do that when every cop is making a human wall around their house? Come on.

Join realty.
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Ye thst sounds too difficult.
just stick smash and grab from local stores that will get shit sorted.
 
mal3volent said:
To see an accurate representation of this...the truth...you must take into consideration the population of each demographic to determine the RATE by which they're killed.

the graph you posted (while excluding causes of death other than shooting) clearly indicates that more black people die proportionally than any other race. Given that LESS THAN 14% of the US is black.
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I answered regarding his words.

Bigger picture, I 99% agree with you that % is what matters more because, exactly as you indicate, the raw numbers are not reflective of an overall situation. I apologize if my wording drifted away from that.

mal3volent said:
What I'm saying is I'm going to spend my energy demonizing the actual bad guys in this situation--the ones who started it. The one who killed the helpless man on the ground.
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Absolutely that should be where the focus should be.

I'm not going to shift the focus to the people who are acting out in anger because they fucking should be angry.
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I'm still waiting for anyone to inform me of any productive effect of the riots beyond venting anger and pocketing ill gotten gains. Perhaps the question is less aimed at you, if your focus remains on the true root of the problem = bad cops. But for those saying the rioting is right and justified, I'd appreciate any answer to support that reasoning.
 
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Soso78 said:
Ye thst sounds too difficult.
just stick smash and grab from local stores that will get shit sorted.
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Burning the 3rd precinct to the ground sure did. You're characterizing and framing this in an inaccurate way, to further your bias and ignorant viewpoint.

Again, collateral damage.

Your country and military does it all the time. You're okay when they do it, no?
 
Deru said:
Burning the 3rd precinct to the ground sure did. You're characterizing and framing this in an inaccurate way, to further your bias and ignorant viewpoint.
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Ye I’m happy the police station was burned.
 
Soso78 said:
Ye I’m happy the police station was burned.
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I think there is something worthy to be said of this: people were willing to destroy the very community that allowed this horrible, tragic injustice to happen.

Yes, the collateral damage to local business owners is horrible and sad.

But, the bigger picture, the symbolism of it all, hopefully justifies the means to the end. And that is for people to finally listen.

And if you listened to the mayor's press conference last night and the governor's press conference this morning, I'd say people are listening.

And for Omar Jimenez to be arrested, a black CNN reporter live on national television, further illustrates the problem. Josh Campbell, a white CNN reporter nearby, suffered no such problem.

And the governor even acknowledged how horrible it was that happened.

But it keeps happening.

It doesn't do much good if everyone is peaceful, the injustices keep happening, and then another useless apology is issued - and tomorrow the cycle repeats itself. It's blatantly obvious peaceful protests are not going to fix these deep rooted issues in our society.
 
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TheLoveBandit said:
I'm still waiting for anyone to inform me of any productive effect of the riots beyond venting anger and pocketing ill gotten gains. Perhaps the question is less aimed at you, if your focus remains on the true root of the problem = bad cops. But for those saying the rioting is right and justified, I'd appreciate any answer to support that reasoning.
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Because it got the right people's attention, who can make the necessary changed. Read my prior posts.

It's also a message to the nation of how far people will go when these injustices continue to occur. Maybe people in power will think twice. If that happens, at a minimum, then it was all worth it.
 
Audiobook said:
Well now there is a curfew where I am...so we’ll see how that plays out...

Edit: There is one throughout the Twin Cities and in some surrounding counties.
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I just saw that. I'm curious to see how tonight plays out. Lots of protests happening in my city - I heard the protesters just breached the courthouse and it's now on lockdown.
 
Protesting the police by burning your own city.... not theirs mind you.... less than 10% of Minneapolis cops live in Minneapolis...
 
kenlee said:
I have to say this (ACAB)
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100%

This is the sort of issue where, depending on your position, I can tell whether or not I’ll like you as a person. I can’t let myself get into arguments online so I just said my peace and dipped.

I wish I could give posts the proper reaction but I imagine since I’m a wee greenlighter I can’t. But mal3volent and Deru are out here telling it like it is.

Fuck them cops. Fuck capitalism.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
It doesn't give an option per capita, only raw numbers. However, his statement clearly reads 'more white people are killed by cops in the US than black people.' with no indication of rate of population. Your question is invalid, his statement is correct.

If you wish to play per captia games with the statement, the best I can offer is the census puts the US at 328m people as of April 2019 with 76.5% (251m) identifying as 'white' and 13.4% (44m) identifying as 'black or African American'. This indicates the % of population killed by cops is much greater for blacks than whites - a different statement from what JG presented.

Did ya really want to make this a race discussion? Like JG stated, this is a nutzo cop situation, not race violence. MSM and those inclined for looting are making it such. Though, perhaps I should await further revelations, like the one where cop and victim worked at the same bar, to see if any other factors played into this besides race or being a cop.
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I think it's a little disingenuous to try to defend JG's statement that "more white people are killed by cops than black people" was made as a factually accurate statement without an agenda, while simultaneously agreeing that per capita, black people are disproportionately targeted by police violence. Obviously he was intending to suggest that there isn't a racial issue at hand with that statement. You have to look at per capita, otherwise the numbers are meaningless. Anyone suggesting that there is no racial issue regarding police brutality by pointing to the raw numbers rather than per capita numbers is being obtuse, either purposely or otherwise.

JG, you saying that the fact there are more white people killed by police in raw numbers than black people, therefore there is no racial bias with police brutality, is just as ridiculous as the media trying to suggest that America has the worst problem with COVID because we have more deaths than other countries with far lower populations.

This is absolutely a race issue. Even if this specific case was not motivated by race, there is an issue with police brutality against black people. If there wasn't, we would see per capita rates of police brutality being similar for all races. To attempt to justify every case of police brutality against a black person as not racially motivated by default without overwhelming evidence to the contrary, just reads as an attempt to deny there is a racial problem in this country.

Anyway besides that, I agree that looting is no solution. However I can understand a violent reaction. It's not like peaceful protest has accomplished anything.
 
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