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PMA in NYE pills?

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I woke up this morning to hear that 'very dangerous pills were being being sold this NYE in NSW with high levels of PMA' on Triple J. Being a bit of a novice with drugs, I jumped on the net to see if there were any similar reports on BL or pillreports.com
I can't seem to find anything with the same sort of fire and brimstone feeling that Triple J were throwing around.
Does anyone know if there are some particularly dangerous PMA pills around, or is this an attempt by the powers-that-be at some scare tactics for NYE pill users?
 
Unless they mentioned which pills they were, it sounds as if they were scare-mongering. Do you know if they mentioned any names?
But it goes without saying, TEST TEST TEST, and dont take anything you're not sure about.
 
any idea who said this? was it a presenter, a guest, Paul Dillon? Also did you mean you heard it on The Morning SHow, or the breakfast show?
sorry for all the questions, i'd like to chase this up if i could.
[ 28 December 2001: Message edited by: johnboy ]
 
I heard it on the 8am news report on the breakfast show. Seemed to be a fairly minor story, and I didn't hear it repeated on any following bulletins. The announcer just told the story, and there was a quick cut to some guy that seemed to think that he knew what he was talking about. I didn't catch the name, sorry guys.
 
I too heard this on the radio this morning. It said that PMA had been found in some pills, they didn't say which ones, they said that PMA was a fairly lethal thingamejig and then they cut to a person from the National Drug and Alcohol thingamebob (not to be confused with the thingamejig), unfortunately we didn't get to hear from Paul Dillon, which I was terribly disappointed about because he always brightens up my day.
 
Probably a scare campaign to deter first time users from trying E. As we all should know each time we drop we are taking a risk and PMA in pills is not late breaking news.
If you want to stay as safe as possible then you should:
1. Not buy your pills from a stranger at the event.
2. Test the pill(s) with an EZ test.
3. Go with ppl you know and trust and tell them what you are taking.
It's good that JJJ is trying to spread awareness of drug related risks but they could at least try an approach other than scaremongering and not tell only half the truth.
 
There's a scare campaign of this nature almost every new years, because NYE is a common time for people to try pills for the first time (a high percentage of whom have no idea what they're even taking). So if a scare tatic like this serves to stop certain people from taking pills with no knowledge of what they're doing and sends others to places like bluelight to do some research, then I see it as a good thing... :)
 
*waiting for paul dillon to ring me back*
pleo: that's true, but i also wish that, if indeed such pills exist, they would release that information to us, so we could pass it on to those who would be taking pills regardless of scare campaigns...
 
ok here's the deal;
apparently Paul Dillon was informed a couple of weeks ago by the NSW Health Department that the DAL (Drug Analytical Laboratories) had tested a batch of pills and found that they contained a lot of PMA. The policy of the Health Department is to not release the details on what the pills looked like. Even Mr Dillon agreed this was ridiculous. The Health Department also didnt feel the need to widely publicise this as it was a single batch, from a single bust (in Cobah of all places) and no other batches were found.
Mr Dillon said that he was suprised to hear it was played today as he recorded it a week or so back. He promised to get back to me with any further information that comes to light.
 
and may the busts of people moving/making PMA pills continue with furious abandon
 
I know it would be a legal long shot, as the law does not favour persons doing illegal things, but if someone was to die from a pill that the health department knew about and refused to warn the community, they may be somewhat liable.
Not releasing life saving information is criminal in itself.
 
^^^ so true Biscuit, I heard that brief JJJ report this morning, and then... nothing, no details.
The Health Department won't release the details on what the pills looked like?
err...?
So as not to adversely affect the sales of similiar looking pills
 
Wow, thanks everyone. Being the aforementioned newcommer to this type of thing, it's incredibly reassuring to know that there is a place like bluelight that we can all come to chat about this and sort it out in an educated (and educatING) way.
There, that should make a good advertising quote for the site.
Thanks again everyone.
 
i simply can't beleive that they wont release details on which pills are almost certainly GOING TO KILL people....
For all i know the pills my friend has (green ghosts) are the ones which contain PMA. Because i haven't seen any reports doing them justice yet. Im going to die ......
anyway... if someone found out, through safety tests, that a car had dangerous problems im sure they would release the details of which car.
How can there possibly be a problem with releasing details on which pills are deadly? They aren't even legal for funks sake...its not like they are going to damage a companies image or anything.
maybe they are scared that the govt will be pissed that they are testing pills ?? who knows.
please be safe and especially don't double dump if you haven't read about the pills your taking. Even just try half dumping atleast you don't get smacked out if they are just strong MDMA?
Be safe,
Rob.
 
Look, in case people dont see the government's logic on this let me explain...
They are fully covered legally, and in their minds, ethically, as they have already stated that taking "Ecstasy" is dangerous. They say "Don't take any pills because they are all harmful in some way, and some might kill you".
This is the central philosophy of the Prohibitionist stance. If you believe that prohibition works then it is no great leap of logic to believe what was stated above. It's a lot like arguing with a fundamentalist Christian about gay rights. To them it's a mater of faith that God exists, and God said this so there's no arguement.
Luckily for us there are less and less fundamentalists running things. The tide of public feeling, and government action, is slowly turning against prohibition. But don't expect miracles overnight...
 
I was reading through, and I thought, damn straight they should release details of PMA pills, but really, that would only serve people who were informed.
What would happen if every time they found a PMA pill they released that information, would be that if people didnt hear from the government that a pill was dodgy, they would assume it's safe (there's already enough ppl who think cos it's a pill it's safe). So therefore the neglect on behalf of the government would be greater.
Drugs are dangerous, illegal substances, remember that always kiddies, if we must use, we have to use as safely as possible. It is up to ourselves to look after ourselves and those around us.
 
JB, the main reason given in responce to the question of why lab results from police seizures (even just the 'bad' pills) aren't released to the public, relates to police intelligence. Their problem is what announcing busts of certain brands could do to hampering further investigations.
Assume such a policy existed that required bad analysis results to be publicly announced. If pill X was discovered to be containing PMA, on any moral basis results would have to be announced as soon as were available. But what if the cops were getting ready to bust another part of the syndicate - say in another city. Suddenly everyone is aware pill X men have gone down.
The argument therefore is: would busting all of an already partly distributed shipment - at the cost of withholding info - be less dangerous than releasing the info to the public ASAP and having the rest of the pills disappear then reappear on the street quietly six months later?
Biscuit mentions liability. The state police and health departments are both formidable forces, but each is eager not to encroach on the others ground. If such a policy became protocol, then the liability issue would obviously be a huge headache. A lack of product quality control and contamination from inadequate packaging etc are fundamental issues of non-compliance. If these could somehow be satisfied there is still the problem of MDMA itself. Definitely not benign in nature, it’s certainly not ever likely to be rescheduled for recreational use.
An MDMA related death under such a policy may involve allegations of neglect and condoning use. Insurance companies would rewrite contracts.
Official testing and the releasing of results, appears to be way too hard at present, if simply because it requires so many changes to current legislation.
On the JJJ announcement, Paul Dillon did say one positive thing in amongst his hasty comments. Testing kits CAN indicate the presence of PMA. Of course most of us already know the E2 states this, but to have someone in his position announce it is quite a step forward. After all, surely he wouldn’t have said it in a harm minimisation context if he didn’t advocate using kits as a means of identifying PMA.
Also I think it’s reasonable to assume that if the 9-11 security responses do impact heavily upon drug smuggling, local production would be expected to increase to compensate. And as PMA is considered easier to produce…..
Test your pills, and spread the word about PMA
 
phase_dancer: good call on the ongoing investigations angle. i did know that, but wasn't really thinking about it. possibly one reason for this was i was thinking more about the american and european systems of reporting, where the bulk of pills analysed come from user donations, ie pills handed in by punters to dutch police stations, or dancesafe testing booths.
if australia was to introduce a similar system there would be no reason to hide such results.
paul was actually quick to tell me he had mentioned the testing kits but as he said "i said my usual limitations spiel"... hehe, fair enuf... but at least he mentioned them. i'm going to try to talk to him a lot mre about this, and possible try and get some tests with E2 and Xtreme going, and try and verufy some results.
oh and i will reply to your email now that i'm back from holidays ;)
 
Hi all,
It'd be roolly good if we could find out what these PMA pills are. I CANNOT believe that the 'government' would not release this kind of information! I guess as evil criminal x takers we all deserve to die anyway 'that's one less ecstasy user...oh, well'
I'd like to spread the word too if we could find out...dang Cobar-ians.
 
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