meth444
Bluelighter
Has anybody brought up Loperemide?
No offense here,Has anybody brought up Loperemide?
I don’t care what you think you know. Methadone has been studied and is much safer in these scenarios.
Advising someone to do something based off of your opinion or belief is madness and it’s not suitable for this post.
You have no idea how they treat babies who are born to addicted mothers and it’s obvious because you are incorrect in your assumptions.
So I snapped at him/her? Ohhhh, maybe I did@December Flower I get where you're coming from here. I've gotten similarly angry at some bad advice here.
But it sounds like @meth444 meant well, I'd hate for him (or her?) to be discouraged from offering advice in future. We all just gotta be careful in situations like this is all.
What pisses me off is when bad advice comes from a bad place. Like the judgey comments by a user that were made earlier. I don't get that vibe here though.![]()
Yeah, thing is people will give well intentioned yet bad advice.
All id say is, if you're not sure about the situation, maybe dont give advice until you know more. You can't be expected to know everything about everything, none of us do. Sometimes we might wanna help but just not know enough at the time.
It's not wrong to wanna help, that's what we're all doing. It's just, these are people's lives, and people may well listen to you. So you gotta be careful that you're giving the best advice you can reasonably be expected too.
I wouldn't want anyone to think they just shouldn't try and help at all, just.. You gotta be a bit cautious. Especially in a situation like this with a pregnancy where the usual advice may not apply.
The OP hasn't returned in a while, but she still may. Hope she's doing OK.![]()
Agreed. All advice should be welcomed, barring anything judgemental or harmful. Even members of the medical community will have differing opinions on what a woman in this situation should do. However, for her sake, and the fetuses, whatever is safest for them both that allows OP to avoid withdrawal or any other physical stress, is the best path to take. People may not like it, and that's fine, but sometimes we allow our feelings to guide our decisions and that's not beneficial here.@December Flower I get where you're coming from here. I've gotten similarly angry at some bad advice here.
But it sounds like @meth444 meant well, I'd hate for him (or her?) to be discouraged from offering advice in future. We all just gotta be careful in situations like this is all.
What pisses me off is when bad advice comes from a bad place. Like the judgey comments by a user that were made earlier. I don't get that vibe here though.![]()
I didn't know loperamide was potentially harmful during pregnancy. I would have thought it was a decent suggestionFor the record, I most certainly do not want anyone to get hurt. I posted "has anybody mentioned loperemide yet?" NOT "take some loperemide". I chose those words specifically so somebody with more knowlege than I could chime in.
And:
Animal studies at up to 40 mg/kg/day have revealed no fetal harm; studies at 40 mg/kg/day (21 times the human dose) showed marked impairment of fertility in one animal model. There are no controlled data in human pregnancy.
Still, not suggesting anything. But how does lope compare with subutex or methadone, fetal harm wise? Food for discussion. That's all.
When pertaining to pregnancy, loperamide is a Category C drug, which means whilst there have been adverse effects to the foetus in some animal studies, there is not enough data to suggest that the use of loperamide in humans during pregnancy will cause birth defects. In the situation where the benefits of taking the medication outweigh the potential risks, doctors will suggest that the mother take the medication if absolutely necessary while remaining under close medical supervision (i.e. reporting to their doctor or presenting to hospital if there are any problems).I didn't know loperamide was potentially harmful during pregnancy. I would have thought it was a decent suggestion![]()
Ah OK, gotcha. During pregnancy, any meds that haven't been proven safe are definitely off limits. When not pregnant, I have no problem testing things to see how safe or unsafe they are.When pertaining to pregnancy, loperamide is a Category C drug, which means whilst there have been adverse effects to the foetus in some animal studies, there is not enough data to suggest that the use of loperamide in humans during pregnancy will cause birth defects. In the situation where the benefits of taking the medication outweigh the potential risks, doctors will suggest that the mother take the medication if absolutely necessary while remaining under close medical supervision (i.e. reporting to their doctor or presenting to hospital if there are any problems).
As another example of this, the antidepressant I am currently on, Cymbalta or duloxetine, (and indeed a LOT of other antidepressant and psychiatric medications) are Category C drugs. If/When I get pregnant, my doctor and I will be making the informed decision for me to remain on my medication because the benefit of taking it (i.e. me not going crazy and killing myself) far outweighs the very low potential risk to the foetus.
Ah OK, gotcha. During pregnancy, any meds that haven't been proven safe are definitely off limits. When not pregnant, I have no problem testing things to see how safe or unsafe they are.(That's me as a guinea pig.)
Ohh, Neophyte is a woman. Sorry if I called you "man" or "dude".When pertaining to pregnancy, loperamide is a Category C drug, which means whilst there have been adverse effects to the foetus in some animal studies, there is not enough data to suggest that the use of loperamide in humans during pregnancy will cause birth defects. In the situation where the benefits of taking the medication outweigh the potential risks, doctors will suggest that the mother take the medication if absolutely necessary while remaining under close medical supervision (i.e. reporting to their doctor or presenting to hospital if there are any problems).
As another example of this, the antidepressant I am currently on, Cymbalta or duloxetine, (and indeed a LOT of other antidepressant and psychiatric medications) are Category C drugs. If/When I get pregnant, my doctor and I will be making the informed decision for me to remain on my medication because the benefit of taking it (i.e. me not going crazy and killing myself) far outweighs the very low potential risk to the foetus.
Yeahyeah, but the same article you're referring to also says: "Studies in animals have shown evidence of an increased occurrence of fetal damage, the significance of which is considered uncertain in humans." sooo, hm. That's the Australian assertion, USA is "US FDA pregnancy category C: Animal reproduction studies have shown an adverse effect on the fetus and there are no adequate and well-controlled studies in humans, but potential benefits may warrant use of the drug in pregnant women despite potential risks."For the record, I most certainly do not want anyone to get hurt. I posted "has anybody mentioned loperemide yet?" NOT "take some loperemide". I chose those words specifically so somebody with more knowlege than I could chime in.
And:
Animal studies at up to 40 mg/kg/day have revealed no fetal harm; studies at 40 mg/kg/day (21 times the human dose) showed marked impairment of fertility in one animal model. There are no controlled data in human pregnancy.
Still, not suggesting anything. But how does lope compare with subutex or methadone, fetal harm wise? Food for discussion. That's all.
Ohh, Neophyte is a woman. Sorry if I called you "man" or "dude".
Oh, maybe it works like "Oida/Alter" then, which means "old man", but is kind of used for both men and women. Thanks for the clarificationI actually often use both those words, even towards other women. Lol.
I think of them similarly to how Australians use "mate". Kiiiinda gendered, but also sometimes not.
Oh, maybe it works like "Oida/Alter" then, which means "old man", but is kind of used for both men and women. Thanks for the clarification![]()
I think it originates from the GermanIt's weird cause I don't think of the term "buddy" like this. Even though the word itself seems less gender specific at first than the other two, mentally I think of it as very gender specific.
For instance I'd pretty much never call a woman "buddy" or "pal". Although I don't actually use either words at all. Dunno, intuitively they seem more like things men use as informal address to other men who they don't know.
Dude and man however are more genderless to me. Go figure.
No doubt a lot of these terms also have regional variations in their use and usage.