Idk if you've tried suboxone or anything but after I relapsed from cold turkey I got in sub program. Would prolly help w/ business shit so you wouldn't feel so crippled as cold turkey makes us. I've been on them 3yrs tho n just finally getting off now . The docs want u on them 4e n prob won't try to help u lower either so b aware of that if u do end up on that route . at the same time I wish I would have tried a couple more times to tough it out w/o subs but who knows if I'd b worse off or not. I'm just glad I'm in the position where I can possibly offer some advice n help a good person. I too have trouble connecting w/ a lot of ppl (mostly non -affected by addiction ppl). Addiction has been sort of a blessing in the sense I'm not the closed minded person I used to be thinking they were gramma robbin losers lol. It is sad tho realizing how many ppl have that misconception, hopefully the recovery community can do some positive things to lessen that stigma.
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Please help me tell myself, why should I quit Oxy??
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I have the exact same thing but I dont think it has anything to do with bacteria. Its something to do with morphine. The worst for me, even worse than H, were pure morhpine IR tables. Those things were like instant pneumonia, couldnt walk up two stairs without wheezing like an old man, couldnt sleep unless upright. Pure hell.. And some batches of H. Other fine. Really strange, but Ive met other ppl with this problem, people that dont touch H or extremely rarely but only morph in one form or another. And because stupid doctors arent aware of this many ppl die in hospitals who are also "allergic" to morphine in this manner and those morons think its pneumnia . When they would be better in a day if they took them off the morphine drip or whatever type of morph. theyre putting in them and switch to sth synthetic like Fent. or Oxy...
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Sorry, OP, I didn't put that well. What I meant is looking for a therapist or psychologist that would not challenge you or support your desire to stay clean. There are some who believe in the "permission" approach, that patient needs to act out. And I don't think that's good for anyone. I don't mean that you should start treating with a jerk or someone who you can't trust.
Actually i think you are on to something here... i think it is the morphine ...
Because other opiates don't cause the wheezing.. even in high doses.
Although i did read an article saying... taking opiates allows liquid build up to happen in the lungs. And the more you take with out a break.. the more it builds up... because you aren't coughing it up on opiates (cough suppresent). But as soon as you stop the opiod you start coughing and hacking up a lung... all that shit needs to get out.
Really sucks how this happens to me, but my friends can handle high doses of heroin daily and not wheeze or breath funny at all. Mine gets so bad that i need an inhaler on me at all times...
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Bluelighter
Interesting. I wish I had an inhaler at those times. Always had to wait it out. Almost died a couple of times,ran out of H and couldnt breathe. The idiot I was. Funny one moment youre wheezing like an old man, and then those 2 hours after taking H, youre fine, lungs like new. But once H starts dissipating in your body,it comes back worse each time, much worse.
Yeah, I mean there is a known correlation between old junkies and lung problems. But I tried a few years back reading on that further but couldnt find anything worthwhile. But I have seen first hand that people who have a life time opiate habit are waay more susceptible to pneumonia and especially bronchitis.
And also what youre saying about lungs and fluid build up. I think youre right and wrong at the same time. Everything youre saying is correct IMO only I dont think it has to do with coughing per se. A normal healthy person doesnt need to cough, maybe not even once every few months. But with morph. this fluid build up happens in a matter of days, even day. So it causes it I would say, not only prevent it from leaving via coughing. Sure, its also a supressent like you stated but I dont think that is directly involved. I still cough but my lungs are so so irritated and get filled that it doesnt help. Whatever morph. does, it ruins your lungs for those like us. And doctors think its pneumonia and fill you up with antibiotics until you die unable to breathe because of a simple problem.
And I didnt find all H like this. Some batches were fine. Maybe it has something to do with the way its produced, perhaps quality, not sure. Though a rule of thumb, I would say, the better the quality the more wheezing
.Sh+tty problem to have.
IT is suchhh a shitty problem to have. Sry to OP for hi jacking thread but it seems people have stopped respondingInteresting. I wish I had an inhaler at those times. Always had to wait it out. Almost died a couple of times,ran out of H and couldnt breathe. The idiot I was. Funny one moment youre wheezing like an old man, and then those 2 hours after taking H, youre fine, lungs like new. But once H starts dissipating in your body,it comes back worse each time, much worse.
Yeah, I mean there is a known correlation between old junkies and lung problems. But I tried a few years back reading on that further but couldnt find anything worthwhile. But I have seen first hand that people who have a life time opiate habit are waay more susceptible to pneumonia and especially bronchitis.
And also what youre saying about lungs and fluid build up. I think youre right and wrong at the same time. Everything youre saying is correct IMO only I dont think it has to do with coughing per se. A normal healthy person doesnt need to cough, maybe not even once every few months. But with morph. this fluid build up happens in a matter of days, even day. So it causes it I would say, not only prevent it from leaving via coughing. Sure, its also a supressent like you stated but I dont think that is directly involved. I still cough but my lungs are so so irritated and get filled that it doesnt help. Whatever morph. does, it ruins your lungs for those like us. And doctors think its pneumonia and fill you up with antibiotics until you die unable to breathe because of a simple problem.
And I didnt find all H like this. Some batches were fine. Maybe it has something to do with the way its produced, perhaps quality, not sure. Though a rule of thumb, I would say, the better the quality the more wheezing
Sh+tty problem to have.
Anyways one time in rehab i wanted to score... and this guy i knew there wanted to as well. We got the tar, brought it back. Cooked up.. both snorted some mixed with water.
I got super high that night.. great buzz. But i woke up 3am at night, GASPING for air... like never before. I ran to the living room... no one was awake.. staff wasn't around. I felt like i was gonna die that night.. i just sat on the couch dry heeving till morning time. So weird how just 1 dose... made all that shit build up in my lungs... next day was wheezing all day. Got sent out to nurse and doc.. had to go on anti biotics to kill all the shit in my lungs from spreading. (been on anti b's 100 times because of fucking heroin...)
Anyways i asked my buddy who did the SAME dose... SAME way as me.. he said his breathing is fine. etc etc i was like wtf... i hate this
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But thats what im trying to say. I dont think there is any need for antibiotics. I never took them for this wheezing. It goes away in a day or two if you stop doing the opiate that caused it. Might take a few days if you really over did it.
Antibiotics are extremely powerful thing and not very good for the body, even worse today, when we are all getting immune to it almost.
All in all, I dont believe it has anything to do with antibiot. , just stop doing it and itll go away quickly.
Nah man, mine doesn't go away as fast as yours. Especially on that particular event. Maybe because i'm using TAR? dunno if you were
But let's say i stop the opiate, i'll still having breathing problems for days after. Sometimes it just doesn't seem to go away, no matter how much gunk i cough out. The anti B's help loads... although super bad for you.
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Bluelighter
No, never tar, always powder. And like I said, H wasnt even the worst thing, the IR morphine pain pills were. That sh+t was horrid. After a couple of hours (they had hell of a short half life) after the first pill even, I went from normal breathing to wheezing horribly.
And yeah, It wasnt always that fast for me either to heal, If I went on a longer binge on the batch that caused it(because for example nothing else was available) the wheezing then took me up to a week, maybe a bit more also to get better. But usually I tried locating a different batch immediately.
And Its really not much to do with coughing out stuff. The problem, I believe, those of us that have this problem is not directly related with the ability of coughing out gunk .It has to do with the morphine severely irritating your lungs, inflammation of your bronci tubes/mucus membranes and those tiny sacs in your lungs, preventing them from properly working. Coughing up helps a little to momentarily relieve you and help you breathe but can often just irritate your lungs more.
Its mostly to do with the sh+t that is in your body to go away, dissipate (a day, two) and after that your lungs need another couple days to get back to normal. Nowhere in this equation I dont see how antibiotics are neccessary because it is not a virus/bacteria infection, nor do I even see a possibility how H or morphine pill could instantly cause a pneumonia infection or how H/pills could transmit an infection to you. Rather it is caused by an irritant/allergen that produces symptoms of bronchitis. IMO we are somehow allergic/extremely sensitive to something regarding morph./a certain type of production process/a certain type of morph. molecule, I dont know. After the allergen is removed from the equation i.e. your body, its only a matter of time for your body to recover. Antibiotics IMO can possibly only make it worse because they weaken your body.
How and why do you think consuming/smoking etc.. h or morph. could correlate with getting pneumonia or getting infected ? Im genuinely interested on your thoughts.
And yeah, It wasnt always that fast for me either to heal, If I went on a longer binge on the batch that caused it(because for example nothing else was available) the wheezing then took me up to a week, maybe a bit more also to get better. But usually I tried locating a different batch immediately.
And Its really not much to do with coughing out stuff. The problem, I believe, those of us that have this problem is not directly related with the ability of coughing out gunk .It has to do with the morphine severely irritating your lungs, inflammation of your bronci tubes/mucus membranes and those tiny sacs in your lungs, preventing them from properly working. Coughing up helps a little to momentarily relieve you and help you breathe but can often just irritate your lungs more.
Its mostly to do with the sh+t that is in your body to go away, dissipate (a day, two) and after that your lungs need another couple days to get back to normal. Nowhere in this equation I dont see how antibiotics are neccessary because it is not a virus/bacteria infection, nor do I even see a possibility how H or morphine pill could instantly cause a pneumonia infection or how H/pills could transmit an infection to you. Rather it is caused by an irritant/allergen that produces symptoms of bronchitis. IMO we are somehow allergic/extremely sensitive to something regarding morph./a certain type of production process/a certain type of morph. molecule, I dont know. After the allergen is removed from the equation i.e. your body, its only a matter of time for your body to recover. Antibiotics IMO can possibly only make it worse because they weaken your body.
How and why do you think consuming/smoking etc.. h or morph. could correlate with getting pneumonia or getting infected ? Im genuinely interested on your thoughts.
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it's all such a weird subject... because it doesn't happen to most of us... and sometimes i get away with small problems. Sometimes 1 large dose causes extreme problems during sleep that night.
Ok basically my theory... or my thought on how it causes bacteria to be formed / pneumonia is. Black tar heroin... is a dirty substance. It is a stick moist... almost living organism. I think bacteria can easily form on it, because usually it isn't solid. It is moldy and kind of wet.... easy for bacteria and micro organisms to form on it.
Now my favorite method of ingesting it would be to mix the tar with water... whirl it around. Throw a cotton in, draw up in syringe lay back and squirt it up my nose. From what i think... some of that liquid leaks from your nasal passage down to your lungs... Once in your lungs (perfect place for bacteria to live) the bacteria water sits and forms more nasty shit.. .and mucus.
Then you use more and more heroin.. which causes weaker and weaker immune system / central nervous depression causing things to just get worse... / pneumonia.
Also like i said, doesn't happen to everyone but i read an article saying opiates (in general) used over prolonged periods cause a build up in liquid in the lungs... Dunno why, they just do.
It even happened with oxy not long ago... i'd drink a bit of vodka, then down about 15mg of oxy at a time. Usually just do 30 for the night, which would get me quite buzzed. Breathing becomes slow and labored.. which doesn't bother me. But woke up in the middle of the night wheezing (not nearly as bad as morphine type opiates)
O yea i must mention... i have been to the doc numerous times and 2 of the times they took X-rays. They said it was for sure pneumonia because of all the build up of liquid / bacteria in lungs. Remember one or two of these times... i waited. Did not dose anymore, and it did not go away. I would wheeze for days until i had enough and got put on Anti B's
It's all good. I think my questions have been answered. Honestly I just kind of like the fact that there's people
Connecting, and that I'm feeling I can do the same. It's weird but when I want to use most, what i have found to be most helpful is coming onto the site, and just reading about other people who want to do the same or are struggling with the same urges. I hope this doesn't come off like a dick, but it's like reading someone else's pain or withdrawals, a post when someone is in pain, makes me relax a little. It's like they are taking my pain away. Hard to explain..... It's not like I'm reading some new way to cope or anything, just feels good to know I'm not the only one. Anyway
As to what you guys are talking about w the wheezing and the lungs, that's over my head, foreign to me but it's cool that two of you are relating to an uncommon issue! It's Not my thread anymore, but thanks for the support guys.
Funny thing, the first time I found this site, it was to increase my knowledge on how to use more and the most potent ways to absorb a drug, basically getting better at getting F'd up, Etc, and now I'm on the opposite side of the site talking about the opposite. Glad this place covers all aspects and Props to the guys who run it! Many thanks
Connecting, and that I'm feeling I can do the same. It's weird but when I want to use most, what i have found to be most helpful is coming onto the site, and just reading about other people who want to do the same or are struggling with the same urges. I hope this doesn't come off like a dick, but it's like reading someone else's pain or withdrawals, a post when someone is in pain, makes me relax a little. It's like they are taking my pain away. Hard to explain..... It's not like I'm reading some new way to cope or anything, just feels good to know I'm not the only one. Anyway
As to what you guys are talking about w the wheezing and the lungs, that's over my head, foreign to me but it's cool that two of you are relating to an uncommon issue! It's Not my thread anymore, but thanks for the support guys.
Funny thing, the first time I found this site, it was to increase my knowledge on how to use more and the most potent ways to absorb a drug, basically getting better at getting F'd up, Etc, and now I'm on the opposite side of the site talking about the opposite. Glad this place covers all aspects and Props to the guys who run it! Many thanks
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Bluelighter
Sorry man, not very nice of us to hijack your thread
. I apologize, Its just not that many of us have this issue and its interesting to talk about it.And its completely understandable it makes you feel a little better to read about other people, even if them having problems. Makes one feel less alone and an outcast, marginalized or something, I think. Can be kinda like being part of a group but not participating. Also if one is sober it helps with staying sober, either as a reminder or to just get those annnoying drug thoughts and cravings out of your head, reading about it often helps, surprisingly, instead of it being a trigger.
Do report back sometimes how you are doing.
cheers and take care man
You should know that your bodies natural processes get jacked by opiates. If you care about things like your testosterone, which is responsible for pretty much everything important in a man (including mental health / acuteness) you should quit. I was on opiates for chronic pain for 10 years. Never abused them, but was on a lot. I've found other ways to deal with the pain, and honestly, after a point you become so tolerant to the opiates that they really don't do anything for you anymore. A few years ago I met with an endocrinologist and we ran bloodwork. All my numbers were shit because of the opiates - especially my testestorone. In addition my sperm was starting to suffer. Not the count but the integrity of it. I had swimmers, they just didn't swim well. More and more studies are showing this as a direct result of opiate use (and I'm sure mine was made worse with the stress of chronic pain). It took me over 2 years to come off of 180mg methadone (pills not liquid from a clinic) and the end was miserable because there's only so small you can cut them making each drop more and more painful. As of today I've been completely off of it for over a month with no regrets. I mean some days I kind of feel crappy but in general I'm substantially sharper than I've ever been in the last decade. I was always functional on the opiates, but being off of them is like a whole new me. Apparently the lymbic system gets wired differently after long term opiate use and you start to make decisions just based on that need for immediate gratification. I feel like my entire through process has just become much more healthy being off the meds. Granted, I know people (ex wife's family members) who just could never get off the drugs. No matter what the situation you have to be in the right mindset to do it. It took me a while too because I was just scared of what life would be like without them, and the pain of withdrawal. I think knowing that eventually your testosterone will go to shit should help you reconcile quitting. Not only that, if you use testosterone replacement like androgel then you lose your fertility. Opiates are great for acute pain like after a surgery but long term they really are the worst thing on earth.