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Bupe Please Dear God Help me

Ocean Lover

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so i inducted my self on suboxone about 8 hours ago.... waited 25 hrs after heroin... took 8 at first wasnt good enuff took 4 still had w/ds and then took 4 more (total of 16mg). I STILL FEEL LIKE I AM IN WITHDRAWALS

I am cold and freezing, anxious, and my pupils are dilated. I did not have precipitated withdrawals like i havee had before. HELP!@ does suboxone not work for me
 
you might not be taking enough. I'm not a doctor, but on wikipedia it says that 2 mgs of bupe is equal to 80 mgs of morphine. You might need to take more due to your massive tolerance. You should really check with a doctor, though.
 
its quiet possible you may not be able to get over the withdraw on such low doses. you could try to fight it, and just take some motion sickness pills, but at 1g IV - your gona need some stronger shit haha - or more of the Suboxone. problem is you dont wanna get hooked on the Suboxone too, and at much higher doses, you may very well start liking it too much.
Best of luck to you, I wish I knew some better advice *hug*
 
Well at 16 mgs you are near the cieling effect so im not sure how effective more will be. However its been said here before that it may take a few days of dosing before you feel back to normal I would get some benzos and ride it out giving your body some time to adjust if your not better after a week then its time for the methadone clnic.
 
It could still be precipitated w/d at this point. I think you'll feel better within the next day or so, just get through today and with tomorrow's dose I think you'll be a lot better.

With 16mg bupe in your system, I think you really don't have any other choice but to ride it out for today. 16mg is quite a bit, and as mentioned, at or near the ceiling dose.

Tomorrow, I wouldn't take 16mg at the same time. I'd start around 2-4mg and see how that does first.
 
I had precip/wd Once, from stupidily,plugging maybe 4mgs? stupidly, after 12? 15? hours after my last shot, and after 2 hours I got nauseated for the whole day it got better after 24 hr mark but it was seriously awful. It will take 2 days. I remember the day after I shot up and still had Dilated pupils and it was just dumb. I wouldn't take more than 2mgs if first time shit I would take 1mg maybe less if I was switching from heroin to bupe
 
In my experience, when inducting myself onto suboxone, the first day sucks no matter how long I wait. It isn't precipitated withdrawals, it just takes a day or so for the medicine to build up and start working to its full effectiveness. Just give it a day or so, and power thru it and you'll start to feel noticebly better if you just hang tough and let the medicine start building up to its maximum capability.

You'll be fine; remember you were doing a very large amount of heroin per day, so it isn't going to be peaches going from dope to suboxone. Just give it some time.

But, honestly, if you were doing THAT much heroin per day, methadone may be your better option since there is no ceiling dose with methadone and it is a full agonist, so it feels better. Some people just don't have 100% success with suboxone, no matter what dose they take. I had much better luck with methadone.
 
I agree with the post above my.
Give it a couple of days and you will feel better, i know thats not what you want to hear right now haha
Take some benzo;s to take the edge off.

Good luck.
 
Think your gonna have to struggle a little bit my friend. Unfortunately your near the bupe ceiling and it will become pointless to take anymore.

When going through withdrawal / detox there really is no 'magic' medicine that will completely cure your symptoms (other than the drug your w/d from). Everybody just has to deal with it in some way or another.

Gonna feel shitty for a few days unless you use, just come to terms with it.
 
Hi, my name is Janalie I need help I have been looking everywhere and can't find a legit answer to my question.

First I'll explain I'm a heroin addict have been for over a year now and its come time to quit cause we are so broke its sad. We bought suboxone 8mg tabs from a friend, we haven’t got around to taking them because the first time I did I went through the worse withdraws ever. I’m guessing it was because I smoked one hit before I took it. But I hear the blocker n….. something (I forget) was the reason. I haven’t smoked any kind of opioids since last night at 11-12 and took one about 2:30 today.

I feel better now, but my question is what will happen if I try to free base a quarter of the 8mg tab? Will I withdraw again or will I just feel even higher? I wana feel higher but I don’t ever, I mean ever want to withdraw like I did before.

Please be honest I rather not withdraw for two days straight cause I got told it won’t do anything.
 
Bupe will displace all opiates from the receptors in the brain causing immediate full on withdrawals. You need to wait until youre feeling dopesick (24hrs since last dose ime) to avoid this. If youve already taken an 8mg sub tablet however you should be home free for a while.

Redose another 8mg once you start feeling off. If youve already got a dose of subs in you, more wont make you withdraw - but you wont get higher either. Youll simply feel normal for longer. If you want to get clean try and forget about getting a buzz on.

Best bet is to reduce your sub dose a bit everyday i.e taper. You dont need to freebase subs . put it under your tongue or snort it and you'll be fine. Snorting will allow you to step down slowly since you can weigh out or divide into smaller doses. How many subs do you have? Its essential to know this so you can work out a tapering schedule.

Ps you might want to get the mods to move this into its own thread - u'll get far more help that way. :)
 
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You're thinking of Naloxone, but it's not the Naloxone that causes precipitated withdrawal. It's just there to block the effects of other opiates you may decide to take while on Suboxone treatment. The precipitated withdraw comes from Buprenorphines strong affinity for binding to your opiate receptors but weak activity of those receptors. So basically it will boot out any other full-agonist opiates you have in your system and replace them with a partial-agonist, causing a decreased effect and withdraw.

I'm really not sure about free-basing tabs but why would you want to get "higher" when you're trying to quit? Wait till you're in moderate withdraw and take them as directed and they will help.
 
Well it’s hard to not want to be high when you have been living under the control of this drug for the majority of my young, 19 year old life. I have gotten clean before, cold turkey but I had no choice. I truly am physically and mentally ready but I still want to load a tray or smoke something. I have been smoking 2 packs a day the last 2 days. It is just such a routine that the sight of tin foil, a straw or even my lighter makes me think about it. I don’t even want to say the word but I'm still thinking it every minute of the day. Life was very hard when it came to money but mentally I was at ease on "jack," I felt good about everything I was doing. Now I feel like I have anxiety and my ADHD is at an all time high right now. It’s hard not to think about getting high once more.
 
Your best option is to stabilise on the bupe. Bupe wont necessarily make you high especially with your tolerance, but it will let you take back control of your life. If youve got anxiety/ADHD you may want to see your doctor there's a world of anti depressants out there and depending on your neurochemical makeup you might just find one that suits you.
Also I dont understand why you're scoring bupe on the street. In the UK at least we have fairly inexpensive access to methadone/bupe. Dont know how the US system works but im almost positive that bupe maintenance would work out cheaper than street drug use.
Sounds like youve got 2 options. Stay on the tar or get out now while you can. I hope you choose the latter - much love and good luck
 
for a script of subs I gotta find a doctor and pay him cash cause i don't have health insurance, then pay 100 for the script itself. Its easier for me to get 7 pills for 30 bucks on the streets. I'm broke as fuck cause I can't sell anymore I lost my mexican due to moving away from the border. it is so expensive to live on just a job alone plus being a junkie way way expensive.
 
To the OP:

In my experience and I think many on here will agree the first 2 or 3 days transitioning from a full agonist to Suboxone can be fairly rough. Suboxone is not some magical solution that just takes all the withdrawal symptoms away right off the bat. Your body still has to make the transition from being used to having a full agonist all of the time to only having a partial agonist all of the time. It also takes time for the buprenorphine to build up in your system to an appropriate level.

Its like the first 2 or 3 days are like you are halfway in withdrawal and as the days go by you will notice the symptoms fade and maybe even get a little bit of an opiate lift or buzz. Usually by the 7 day mark all symptoms are gone and each dose just provides a bit of relief from the intra dose withdrawals as your still building up an appropriate level in your system.

At about the 10 to 14 day mark is when you start to realize that taking your sub is like taking a vitamin as your plasma levels should be stable and the intra dose symptoms / relief should be gone. This is when it actually gets really hard for me as I actually feel normal and the cravings really kick in. This is when the addict side of me really starts looking for reasons, excuses or whatever to justify using. By this point those first few days that were so harsh seem to have faded in your mind and you start to think that the past couple of weeks were not that bad and that transitioning back and forth from full agonists to Suboxone really isn’t that hard. In fact in your mind you think that its so easy that you can just binge anytime and then fall back on your Suboxone when time comes to quit the full agonists. Well this is where Suboxone turns from a helpful tool to a terrible enabler. If you go down this path you will find yourself in an endless loop of being half sick and half well half of the time and well enough to get board and crave like crazy the other half of the time. Yes, Suboxone will keep the full withdrawals at bay and hold you more or less indefinitely, but NO it is not a cure or an answer for opiate addiction. At some point one has to make a decision to do what it takes to make themselves well, whatever that means, Suboxone is really only a tool or a bridge to help one make that decision whatever it may be. When its used as a crutch or a back up plan it is really no better than ones DOC.

I think when one finds themselves in a situation where they are just using Suboxone to get through to their next dose of their DOC then a totally different treatment approach needs to be looked at. For those that just can’t seem to control there use no matter what, but still want to have a better non junky life, I think long term Methadone Maintenance is the way to go. For those that have just had it and really don’t want to use but for whatever reason can’t escape the drugs, then long term inpatient rehab followed by sober living and a drastic location change may be in order.

Anyway, wow, didn’t mean to go on such a rant, but hopefully maybe someone will read this and not go down the road of enabling Suboxone use.
 
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