Philosophical Question about time and space(READ THIS) it is why acid is bad...

From my good many acid/shroom trips they have shown me two things.
Time is only a perception.
Matter is the DNA of the universe (string theory, ie the way matter is arranged decides the rules of the universe and it's properties). This came to me with a very intense closed eye visual on mushrooms.. i went searching to see if there was some physics behind it, i found the string theory article in LA times. Hehe just about shit my pants.
Oh.. and all things cannot be truly calculated they are only approximations.
You cannot tell where the electron is, because when you know where it is, it already someplace else. It knows no straight lines or patterns, it is the essence of nature, pure randomness.
 
my 2 cents,
they should require all college students take acid.
second thing, belisarius already metioned in his post, that you can only divide into something if it has a quanity. You can't divide a single point, but you can divide the distance between two points.
About 'infinite', I'm not sure if this has any relevance, but in set theory, there are two types of infinite sets, countable and uncountable.(no has yet proven if there's other types or not) Basically, {1,2,3, ...} is a countable set, and all real numbers is uncountable, as well as your infinite boxes within boxes.
anyways this is my theory on vibes, and reading minds: Most people know that it's not the words that convey meaning but how you say it. Also I think that in communication, body language, and facial expression, mean so much more than, just the words. When your on acid, mj, or some other empathic drug, you pick up more so on all the body language stuff, so that it seems like you can read their minds. Or I could be wrong and acid does let some people read minds. Hmmm, now that you metioned poker, that is something I gotta try. hehe
 
uh just want to clarify my above post a little, it pretty obvious, and silly to say, but also important, is that the definition of a infinite set is any set that's not finite.
(at first, you may go so what i know that, but if you think about infinity alot, the definition will come in usefull)
When i was on acid, I had these visions of infinity, exponential growth from a viral program among other stuff. For some reason, i saw this viral program (i don't know what else to call it) represented by music combined with a big wheel. This wheel had an infinite number of spokes, or like a gear an infinite number of teeth. Looking into each of these 'teeth' contained a person, kind of in a cell. As this wheel rolled over me, I saw all those peoples faces. Plus the people and the wheel, gave me a rythmic beat. It's hard to describe how i learned the beat, but let me try. If i say "1,1,2,1,1,1,2,3,2,1,1,2,1,1..." eventually you'll learn the pattern and continue. But for this rythmic pattern it seemed that i didn't just learn it. My body KNEW it, I couldn't control my body, it just moved with the rythm in my head. I think that was when I really started listening to trance and thinking how it makes you dance. Back to story, (I hope I'm not boring you all to death) I became part of the wheel, trapped just passing the rythm on, I guess I didn't really like being 'unfree' like a robot so I just pushed the infitely huge wheel in my mind away and looked at it from the side where it dissappeared since it had no depth.
So, that's how I saw exponetial growth in action.
I'm not a very articulate person(yet)
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, i wish i can show you what i saw.
On another part of this same trip, I cleaned my room, but I picked stuff up, in the reverse order I threw them on the ground. Every thing I picked, my mind immediately traveled to that point in time. In a sense I was walking backwards in time. Anybody else have similar experience?
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everyone, yes I mean everyone is insane. If you don't think so, you just don't know them well enough.
 
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It's conversations like this that make me regret leaving my maths degree.
However you can read and learn about these sort of theories without being within the confines of a university.
Belasarius, thanks for your thoughts...they certainly showed how easily theories can be disproven and thrown out the window.
I can't contribute tonight...I'm too tired. But keep it up. These sort of conversations are the reason I keep coming back here.
miss apple
 
I feel like I'm in college again. I took nuclear engineering my last year of school and I got more out of this posting than I did the class. Not really, but just about.
KewlHand - wow, dude! I thought I was the only one to think about things like that.
Paradox, Belisarius - excellent responses.
For a very good description in layman terms of quantam theory and time-space, go to www.howstuffworks.com. How Stuff Works has a very good explanation of Newtonian physics and relativity.
Also, Time magazine had recent article on Einstein in which all of this is discussed. I regret that I can not remember which issue. However, I do remember a statement in which there may be as many as 11 dimensions. Imagine that!
Also, a good movie to watch while being under the influence is The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai in the 8th Dimension
For those of you who can't get enough of this stuff and enjoy math...especially Calculus, try this on for size.
Problem:
The solid formed by revolving (about the x-axis) the unbounded region lying between the graph of f(x) = 1/x and the x-axis (x>1) is called Gabriel's Horn. This solid has a finite volume and yet has an infitite surface area. How is that? I know that the volume of Gabriel's Horn is 'pi'. That damn number that pops up everywhere.
 
Heres tha solution couchmonster...
You can prove that Gabriel's Horn has finite volume and surface area with very little calculus. Cut it into infinitely many slices, each with width 1. That is, the cuts are at the planes x = 2, x= 3, x=4, etc. Now the first piece, from x = 1 to x= 2, has volume less than pi*1^2, which you can see by comparing it to the larger cylinder that it sits inside (draw a picture). The second piece, from x = 2 to x = 3, has volume less than pi*(1/2)^2. The third piece has volume less than pi*(1/3)^2. So the volume of the entire horn is less than pi*(1 + 1/2^2 + 1/3^3 + 1/4^2 + ...). That series converges. To prove that the Horn has infinite surface area, compare the surface area of each piece to that of a smaller cylinder that is inside it. You'll find that the entire surface area is at least
2*pi*(1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + ...). That series diverges, and is thus finite...
Hehe... Ill bet you thought you got me...
Caleb...
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"The DJ saved My life... Cause I was sittin there bored to death... and in... Just one breath he said ya gottagetout. ya gottagetup, ya gottagetdown girl..."
 
I don't have the time or energy to get to indepth in this conversation, but you can't put a point of reference on infinity. It goes on forever in every direction. There is no middle.
 
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I would just lie to say that for all those who know someone who feel drugs; acid, e, etc... cause your mind to dull or make you stupid, please direct them to this thread. LOL
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Take it easy all,
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OK my mind is not prepared to answer all the quesitons but here is A little of what i can explain half a$$
1) a point is defined by dimesion without one you have nil, null, nothing
2) i am shyaking so bad now i can hardly type...
3a) If you look at time in a multiple dimesional format a) your gonna get a headache b) freak out c) possibly step out
now if c) happens you have left this universe and move to another, cya when you get back.
3b) so in human terms time is 5d, stay with me if while i try to explain this 5d is our existance in the universe which we colletively experience a one, 4d is what we experience as a society 3d is preceviable in dreams, 2d we live in and make choices in 1d foraward only we think in. Any issues with this take them up with yourself...
4) I don't know how many dimensions there are, i think 10 in this universe, but step out and if you find out let me know.
5) still shaking...
6) as for bigger smaller i cant go there right now. still bugging on reading your post.
7) the universe is reducable infinitaly once done so i a dimesion it is over. If it is reduced in all dimensions there is nothing left. Which is where we came from
8) now beyond that i dare not go too much farther with out serious risk to my already fragile mind. Reality is your dream
Dream it as deaply as you wish.
thanks to all the post and conversations i have had in this life, this post was possible
Edited by cyd in a state of panic, No i have not dropped recently... Flash back can be a bitch.
Rolex needs to chill now ....*smoking* ~~~
 
I would just lie to say that for all those who know someone who feel drugs; acid, e, etc... cause your mind to dull or make you stupid, please direct them to this thread. LOL
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a word on the "horn" problem...
first, the nature of pi... 3.14159.... etc etc etc
Pi is a finite number, with an infinite number of non-repeating decimal places (or so we know... but since it's been calculated to the 2 MILLIONTH decimal place, it's reasonably safe to assume) So it's finite in it's infinity.
So, one could, potentialy continue on forever, adding smaller and smaller (to infinity) pieces, onto the volume of the "horn" 3.14159.... whereby making the number finite, with an infinite number of decimal places.
if I can find the website, I'll post it, but there is a website that has the ancient greek's method for calculating pi... it's realy quite interesting.
Basicly, it concisted of taking 2 geometric shapes, and the goold old "squeeze theorem" as the number of sides of each of the shapes gets infinitely larger, (a circle being a infinitagon... hehehe.. there's a new one. a shape with "initinite" sides) so the relationship representing pi of the lesser figures creates a range, in which "true" pi must exist. This range becomming smaller and smaller, as each of the figures gets more and more sides.
It's funny to watch the applet crash when you input a truly astronomical number of sides on the figures for it to calculate... anywyas... I'm done now.
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Who you are never realy changes... It's who you THINK you are that does.
 
a word on the "horn" problem...
first, the nature of pi... 3.14159.... etc etc etc
Pi is a finite number, with an infinite number of non-repeating decimal places (or so we know... but since it's been calculated to the 2 MILLIONTH decimal place, it's reasonably safe to assume) So it's finite in it's infinity.
So, one could, potentialy continue on forever, adding smaller and smaller (to infinity) pieces, onto the volume of the "horn" 3.14159.... whereby making the number finite, with an infinite number of decimal places.
if I can find the website, I'll post it, but there is a website that has the ancient greek's method for calculating pi... it's realy quite interesting.
Basicly, it concisted of taking 2 geometric shapes, and the goold old "squeeze theorem" as the number of sides of each of the shapes gets infinitely larger, (a circle being a infinitagon... hehehe.. there's a new one. a shape with "initinite" sides) so the relationship representing pi of the lesser figures creates a range, in which "true" pi must exist. This range becomming smaller and smaller, as each of the figures gets more and more sides.
It's funny to watch the applet crash when you input a truly astronomical number of sides on the figures for it to calculate... anywyas... I'm done now.
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Who you are never realy changes... It's who you THINK you are that does.
 
Wow Dude! That rules. If you've never taken calculus before, then you ought to either teach it become a math prof. and think of theorems all day.
What you did, in essence, was calculus. That's all calculus really is. Dividing the line into an arbitrary length 1 was almost the same in calculus where you divide the length into infinitetly small discs of length zero.
I don't remember which, but what you did actually has a name: the Disc Method or Shell Method.
I actually had to look it up: it was the Disc Method.
Anyway, that was cool, dude. I'm sure it would be interesting getting stoned w/ you.
Oh yea...
What we've got here is failure to communicate. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. Now I don't like it any more than you...yadda, yadda, yadda.
Or something like that...excellent handle.
 
Couch Monster, heres ur answer, it has to deal with fractional trig i think
Picture a cube
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Now divide the face of the cube into 9 equal squares. Imagine you could remove one of them like coring an apple. Now do the same to the remaining 8 faces...each one square will subdivide endlessly creating mmore and more service area. Thus the cube has a definite volume and an infinite surface area.
pretty weird
theres another way to do it with an triangle inside of a circle but its harder to explain
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Its posts like this that make me realise that im not the only one that kicks arse on assignments after acid! Acid, the think drug for all us mathematicians/physicists/fractal geometrers and astrophysicists out there!
one word to encompas all...CHAOS. think about it...its apart of everything you have written...perhaps it is everything you have written and more? chaos is what we are and what we arent...dont you love thinking like this! hehehe
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Andromeda
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***This starship breaks for black holes and temporal disunities.***
 
why do you care? thats what i want to know.......... my big question is "if theirs no god, then that must mean that science is the answer BUT if science is the answer than are we thinking right now? because if you look at it on the atomic level we're just a bunch of atoms and electricity, how can matter and electricity "think"? and if their is a god, then how could he have made us and other animals (and maybe other alien life forms) think? so then you might look at it that humans (and any other living organism) no matter how hard we try we dont think, we react. many people dont like this idea because it means there is no free will, no choice, and therefore fate is what rules the world, and even if you "think" your avoiding fate, your just actually falling into fates trap, or we ARE just a bunch of atoms and electricity that has some how evolved to actually "think". thats something i love to ponder, i also like the question "does outerspace end? and if so, whats beyond it?"
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