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Could you elaborate on the subjective effects of this a-pbp and compare it to vaping mdpv? And did you ever vape the "tan" yourself?
Still the most fascinating topic on BL and the quest most likely to destroy my sobriety if the Tan Grail is ever found.....Hopefully y'all will solve this one this year!
Maybe they mistook the structure of MDPV (i've seen some sources show it as having 4 carbons instead of 5) and prepared this instead?
As far as I can tell, MDPBP is not what you guys are looking for. MDPBP just seems like a weaker form of MDPV (as would be expected between MDPPP and MDPV in strength). Was vaped and tasted much like MDPV (both in powder form and vaporized, yum...safroley!), much weaker rush than a-PVP and MDPV. Lacked much of the paranoia and madness thankfully, but this could just be due to weaker strength and less of it being consumed. Nothing too special overall, sorry.
[...]But would it really be hard to go from the structure in blue to the structure in red? (consider that rhetorical, if it borders on synth discussion. However, please allow me to point out that allegedly this process can happen "accidentally" when attempting to prepare a freebase of MDPV.)
When combined with soda and water a fizzing was VERY pronounced.
The material came as a very fine bright white powder. Had a very faint "candy/root-beer like/floral odor" that became stronger upon heating. This smell always reminds me of sass oil/safrole, and has been noted by me in some batches of MDPV,MDPPP,MDMA,MDA and especially early (pre-web tryp) batches of Methylone. If you've noticed it as well you probably know what I'm talking about. The powder was presumed to be the HCl, but this was not specified.
The "salt" was heated carefully on foil ("vaporized", hope that helps) and melted while the vapor was inhaled. The powder turned into a light beige liquid which quickly reddened and blackened if heat was continued. This produced only a mild buzz most notable for a sense of tenseness and mild anxiety, not very pleasant. The remainder was converted to the freebase, mostly on a per dose basis, via sodium bicarbonate and water or IpOH (created that pyrrolidine smell, ugh). The freebase produced a stronger and more enjoyable rush and high than the salt, and tasted very similar to freebase MDPV. However, the effect was not near the rush/stimulation/ or occasional euporia produced by MDPV, and required larger doses, although not as large as MDPPP.
Having had extensive experience with MDPV (including the "tan" from many years ago), MDPPP, PVP, and PBP, I'm pretty comfortable with the belief that this substance was indeed MDPBP. I wish could confirm your hopes that this was the unidentified "mystery" in the tan, but this was not my experience. I'm not quite sure what you meant by "....off....", but please let me know if I can provide any other information.
@SA23: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the chain in red SHORTER than the blue? I thought I was talking about accidental shortening of the chain, not lengthening. Also, I don't recall if I said that fizzing proved anything, per se. Just being descriptive of characteristics.