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Phenylethylamine's (PEA) potential for abuse.

Aaron556

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PEA's potential for abuse seems pretty high to me.

Amphetamine is a part of the Phenylethylamine class, I mean come on it's pretty obvious from it's name alpha-methyl phenethylamine.

And as we all know Amphetamine is very addictive, and as I've been using Phenylethylamine (It gives me mental clarity, focus and Euphoria) I see it's potential more and more. I feel like I REALLY want to dose when I'm not on it and re-dose when I'm on it (I'm on it right now).

This is very strange for me as I don't have an addictive personality.

Thoughts? Experiences? Discuss.
 
Interesting info. I've been looking for a stimulant for my acute narcolepsy as of late that isnt as strong as amphetamine but stronger than Ephedrine. Gonna give this a try and discuss my experience when I do.

Sure glad I invested in a milligram scale. Pills are a huge rip off compared to bulk powders.
 
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Looks like most of the information on Wikipedia for this is marked as controversial/dubious/uncited. However, with that caveat (take the following information not as fact): THC and ethanol increases its effect "four-fold"; Apparently an enzyme that metabolizes it, MAO-B, prevents significant amounts from entering the brain (which really just means a higher dose is needed to achieve the desired effect).
 
I personally think PEA's effec t is entirely placebo unless combined with a MAOI, even then it does not have the same releasign characteristics as amphetamine - it prefers norepinephrine over dopamine by a large factor...
 
I was curious about PEA after finding out it a little about it and seeing it as an ingredient in Redline Xtreme.

Redline Xtreme contains PEA sure, but also several other shitty excuses for stimulants.

Like sekio was saying it is more or less ineffective in humans unless you're combining it with a MAOI, and I don't imagine it would be anywhere near as enjoyable as amphetamine, MAOI or not. If I recall its half life is like 10 minutes without inhibiting MAO. Your body converts it all to phenylacetic acid, and barely any reaches the brain.
 
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I wasn't saying that it does anything recreational lmao...ya...you might get speedy (for lack of better words) off of caffeine, but is it fun? lmao

Redlines are for work...not play...

I was agreeing with sekio...

I was implying that it shouldn't do much if anything...

Granted it's being administered SL, I've heard that oral naloxone can be used for constipation...I dunno if it might lessen the effects, but if it wasn't in there it might make your shit even harder (pun inteded) to pass...
 
Even though this is not a psychedelic, I'm gonna bump it over to PD because I think it will get more responses...
 
I wasn't saying that it does anything recreational lmao...ya...you might get speedy (for lack of better words) off of caffeine, but is it fun? lmao

Redlines are for work...not play...

I was agreeing with sekio...

I was implying that it shouldn't do much if anything...

Granted it's being administered SL, I've heard that oral naloxone can be used for constipation...I dunno if it might lessen the effects, but if it wasn't in there it might make your shit even harder (pun inteded) to pass...

Whoops, my bad Doug. Should have mentioned I was directing all that at the OP, and agreeing with you. Lol.
 
My personal experience with beta-PEA tells me it's active but only for a very short time. I just don't think it was subtle enough for placebo while at the same time it was not special enough to make a big deal out of it's limited activity. Yes it could always be placebo, let's not get into that discussion because it has been known to get lengthy sometimes.

Now about the family of phenethylamines, I don't think there is much use in convicting a family of chemicals on a familiarity in the structure. Amphetamine itself releases or elevates levels of monoamines such as dopamine. Substituted psychedelic phenethylamines however are pharmacologically different enough, they basically work by being agonists or partial agonists of serotonin receptors.
Psychedelic amphetamines namely the most common DOX compounds could be said to fall a little in-between, they are speedy and stimulating but also psychedelic. But still it does not appear to me like something like DOC has a similar potential for fiending or addiction as typical stimulants if only for the fact that it brings all those psychedelic effects that would scare you away from abuse like that.

But I'm sorry if you are only talking about beta-PEA itself, in which case this thread is not entirely in the right BL forum.

Again I think beta-PEA (basic phenethylamine) has an effect that is far too limited to enjoy let alone chase, perhaps the only reason would be that it feels warm and good - approaching euphoric even - for a very short time and you might become enticed to get another little taste before it disappears again, and again.
I had something similar with 1,3-DMAA even though it is a shitty lousy drug. But at the time I was desperate enough and had no alternative.

How something with apparent low potential for addiction give you that feeling even though you say you do not know yourself to have an addictive personality, I can't explain. Maybe you are not as immune to it as you think, maybe to don't allow yourself to feel even remotely hooked to things that are known for it, but are caught by surprise by something that is not known for it.

A while back GHB was used here a lot with the idea that it had no negative sides. That only made it that much more addictive on the long run it seems.

PEA seems quite harmless, I would think that metabolism beats any raised levels from ingestion before it could become a problem. But as a rule of thumb, I'd be careful about pushing the envelope to a certain unexpected point where chemical balance is thrown out of whack after all. For example by conditioning your brain to break down more and more PEA, but it accidentally also breaks down your own endogenous natural monoamines.
I have no reason to actually believe something like this would be true and don't interpret it as a dramatization, I am only trying to give an example why it is good to keep an eye out in general and especially for escalation of any kind.
 
I personally think PEA's effec t is entirely placebo unless combined with a MAOI, even then it does not have the same releasign characteristics as amphetamine - it prefers norepinephrine over dopamine by a large factor...

It can enter the brain if you take a large dose (200-300 mg) of caffeine beforehand, and parachute around a gram or two. The effects I've felt therefrom were definitely not placebo, but they only last around 20 minutes.

However, I'm pretty sure that doing this is just not safe. I had a pretty ridiculous heart rate (or it felt like) after 2.2 g, and thereafter I never took it again. It was a thread on 420chan /mdma/ about two years ago.
 
Do you guys think that St. John's Wort would interfere with this stuff?

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One researcher hypothesizes that it interferes with the activity of Ritalin, so it very well might.

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St. John's wort may diminish methylphenidate's efficacy in treating patients suffering from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Niederhofer H. Med Hypotheses. 2007;68(5):1189. Epub 2007 Jan 24.
 
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uh boys.

a vendor send my this stuff by mistake so I just tried 1,5g with 500mg rhodiola @t-15min.
now it's t+15 and there's a STRONG and very rapid (1-2min) rushing comeup. close to worryingly strong. ++/+++ no way I would like to be on the steet on that dose. (nearly did. puh)
strong body high. slight dizzyness and numbness. tightness in head. detached feeling.

no doubt that this stuff is active.
very surprised.
no other substances in my system btw.
be careful!


edit: lasts 15-20min and slowly subsides...
I guess it would mix really well with THC. effects are mainly physical though...
 
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of course I tried it again this morning: it's probably the weirdest compound I ever ingested (at least orally). reminds me quite a bit of a slightly above threshold dose (5mg) of smoked DMT with MAOi. no joke.
 
From what I've read I get the impression that people are variably sensitive to phenethylamine. I tried it with selegiline, spurned on by curiosity and naughty thoughts of giddily throwing caution to the wind to find out if an unbelievably cheap source for endless brain candy was really possible. One thing that certainly wasn't placebo was turning all blotchy and feeling/hearing my pulse in my face for about 10 minutes. I had read up beforehand so I wasn't dosing more than 100 mg at a time, but that little experience satisfied me that, yep, it's active, but nope, not interested. I could see how something so short acting might be addictive, though, I just can't see the the utility in it. It's a little "diet-amphetamine" sort of rush, true, but even with selegiline I would need to sip a drink laced with a specifically metered dose of it nearly constantly and it would still be a high maintenance unsteady sort of "high" with the potential to turn me blotchy and embarrassingly hypertensive if front of random people I wouldn't want to have to try to explain that to ("hey psood, I see you're all blotchy and sweaty with veins visible in your neck, so is that a 'no' for joining us at Applebees?"). I could see it maybe being good for "zapping" one out of a fog, but not much else.
 
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