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Phenylethylamine (PEA) + Customs

lilbitcrazy

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Hi Folks

I recently purchased some PEA online from o/s and customs have requested documentation.

The email I have received from the local courier company requests the following docs for customs clearance:

Purchase order (Original Purchase Invoice)
Proof of payment i.e. Purchase receipt or Bank Statement but please ensure you black out your personal details BSB and account number for your safety.
Picture of the goods you have purchased (Screen Shot)

Any reason to be concerned?

All advice appreciated.

Thanks
lbc
 
Hi Folks

I recently purchased some PEA online from o/s and customs have requested documentation.

The email I have received from the local courier company requests the following docs for customs clearance:

Purchase order (Original Purchase Invoice)
Proof of payment i.e. Purchase receipt or Bank Statement but please ensure you black out your personal details BSB and account number for your safety.
Picture of the goods you have purchased (Screen Shot)

Any reason to be concerned?

All advice appreciated.

Thanks
lbc
I'm not an expert, but they are probably just looking to tax you on the import.
It is not a scheduled substance in AUS so you shouldn't worry about the legality of your purchase.
 
I'm no expert here, but I found this via a simple search:

"Phenylethylamine (ephedrine) is a sympathomimetic agent that has been used as an antiemetic in the obstetrical and abdominal surgery populations". It seems therefore to be ephedrine according to this source.

Then another site says: "Ephedrine can be used in the synthesis of methamphetamine by chemical reduction; this has made ephedrine a highly sought-after chemical precursor in the illicit manufacture of methamphetamine".

So it's possible that it could be watched with this in mind. I don't know about Australia, but I think this is covered by the UK Psychoactive Substances Act 2016. Best to check the proscribed substances on your country's list. Just to be safe.
 
I'm no expert here, but I found this via a simple search:

"Phenylethylamine (ephedrine) is a sympathomimetic agent that has been used as an antiemetic in the obstetrical and abdominal surgery populations". It seems therefore to be ephedrine according to this source.

Then another site says: "Ephedrine can be used in the synthesis of methamphetamine by chemical reduction; this has made ephedrine a highly sought-after chemical precursor in the illicit manufacture of methamphetamine".

So it's possible that it could be watched with this in mind. I don't know about Australia, but I think this is covered by the UK Psychoactive Substances Act 2016. Best to check the proscribed substances on your country's list. Just to be safe.
Hey thanks, I checked and its status is at best ambiguous, like you say possible precursor but not explicitly banned more of an analogue. I guess I'll find out soon enough now, I just don't want to be fined, charged, watchlisted or whatever, I did read its an antiviral so possible covid treatment, which is of course why I purchased it (ahem).
 
I'm no expert here, but I found this via a simple search:

"Phenylethylamine (ephedrine) is a sympathomimetic agent that has been used as an antiemetic in the obstetrical and abdominal surgery populations". It seems therefore to be ephedrine according to this source.

Then another site says: "Ephedrine can be used in the synthesis of methamphetamine by chemical reduction; this has made ephedrine a highly sought-after chemical precursor in the illicit manufacture of methamphetamine".

So it's possible that it could be watched with this in mind. I don't know about Australia, but I think this is covered by the UK Psychoactive Substances Act 2016. Best to check the proscribed substances on your country's list. Just to be safe.
Phenethylamine is not Ephedrine, they are different substances.
Ephedrine can be and has been used to synth Meth, but Phenethylamine is not classified as a precursor anywhere in the world AFAIK.

As far as the UK goes, supplements containing PEA (Phenethylamine) and pure PEA are sold domestically on clearnet websites and on eBay too.
 
Phenethylamine is not Ephedrine, they are different substances.
Ephedrine can be and has been used to synth Meth, but Phenethylamine is not classified as a precursor anywhere in the world AFAIK.

As far as the UK goes, supplements containing PEA (Phenethylamine) and pure PEA are sold domestically on clearnet websites and on eBay too.
Good to know and thanks for the clarification 👍
 
@Phobos
Thanks for the clarification. I did also read that it was a substituted PEA so kinda thought it wasn't quite the same. Thought it wise to err on the side of suspicion in case the customs were setting a trap for the recipient.
 
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@Phobos
Thanks for the clarification. I did also read that it was a substituted PEA so kinda thought it wasn't quite the same. Thought to wise to err on the side of suspicion in case the customs were setting a trap for the recipient.
Yes, Ephedrine is a substituted PEA.
I think it's not entirely unlikely that customs scanned the package and detected a ziplock containing powder or tiny crystals and are asking for proof of the transaction to verify that it is not a controlled substance being shipped with a fake label to pass customs inspection.
I've heard of RC companies willing to do that, although I have never actually bought anything from them.
 
Hi Folks

I recently purchased some PEA online from o/s and customs have requested documentation.

The email I have received from the local courier company requests the following docs for customs clearance:

Purchase order (Original Purchase Invoice)
Proof of payment i.e. Purchase receipt or Bank Statement but please ensure you black out your personal details BSB and account number for your safety.
Picture of the goods you have purchased (Screen Shot)

Any reason to be concerned?

All advice appreciated.

Thanks
lbc
They want to determine the 'Character' of the transaction. Does the vendor sells RCs, seem dodgy, or is it a legitimate pharma-supply company. If not legit, then the info you may provide for them will be used to solidify their inclination to confiscate your goods.
 
@Phobos @Derschieber

Hey thanks guys, for adding an extra dimension to this post:

think it's not entirely unlikely that customs scanned the package and detected a ziplock containing powder or tiny crystals and are asking for proof of the transaction to verify that it is not a controlled substance ...

the 'Character' of the transaction ...


I like it, it makes total sense and adds value to my understanding of what's happening. So far, I've provided all the requested information and the courier responded immediately advising that the attachments had been sent to customs. I bought the PEA off of Amazon using their App. so all doc's pictures etc were easily available including the supplier name etc.
 
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Hi Folks

I recently purchased some PEA online from o/s and customs have requested documentation.

The email I have received from the local courier company requests the following docs for customs clearance:

Purchase order (Original Purchase Invoice)
Proof of payment i.e. Purchase receipt or Bank Statement but please ensure you black out your personal details BSB and account number for your safety.
Picture of the goods you have purchased (Screen Shot)

Any reason to be concerned?

All advice appreciated.

Thanks
lbc

Hey buddy,

The process from here will be your company that is importanting it for you needs thats information to fill out the customs declaration.

Unfortunately customs will seize your package and send you a letter explaining your two options:

1. Supply sufficient documents allowing you two important this controlled substance. This needs to be done in 12 weeks.

2. No action and the goods will be destroyed. No action taken as your declared it.
 
Hey buddy,

The process from here will be your company that is importing it for you needs thats information to fill out the customs declaration.

Unfortunately customs will seize your package and send you a letter explaining your two options:

1. Supply sufficient documents allowing you two important this controlled substance. This needs to be done in 12 weeks.

2. No action and the goods will be destroyed. No action taken as your declared it.
Thanks, that resolves any doubt and sums it up quite concisely, much appreciated!
 
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Thanks, that resolves any doubt and sums it up quite concisely, much appreciated!
No worries at all mate. Great thing about customs is you cant get in trouble for ANYTHING as long as you declared exactly whats in it, even heroin haaha ☺
 
No worries at all mate. Great thing about customs is you cant get in trouble for ANYTHING as long as you declared exactly whats in it, even heroin haaha ☺
@andyturbo
Now that is interesting I had no idea, I guess its bye bye American PEA, no great loss though, Christmas just won't be the same without it:)


Wait, is PEA a controlled substance in AUS?

@Phobos
The short answer to that is - no.

But it appears to be lumped in with 'pucker' controlled subs. that share a phenylethylamine backbone, at least as far as I know?

AlkoxyphenylethylaminesNarcoticIncluding, but not limited to: AEM (alpha-ethylmescaline); 2C-B-Fly; 2C-C; 2C-D; 2C-G (3,4-dimethyl-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine); 2C-H (2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine); 2C-N; 25D-NBOMe (2-(2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine);25G-NBOME; 25H-NBOMe; 25P-NBOMe; 25T2-NBOMe; 25T7-NBOMe;YesYesNo
 
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@Phobos
The short answer to that is - no.

But it appears to be lumped in with 'pucker' controlled subs. that share a phenylethylamine backbone, at least as far as I know?

AlkoxyphenylethylaminesNarcoticIncluding, but not limited to: AEM (alpha-ethylmescaline); 2C-B-Fly; 2C-C; 2C-D; 2C-G (3,4-dimethyl-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine); 2C-H (2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine); 2C-N; 25D-NBOMe (2-(2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine);25G-NBOME; 25H-NBOMe; 25P-NBOMe; 25T2-NBOMe; 25T7-NBOMe;YesYesNo
I found this old Reddit thread in regards to Alkoxyphenylethylamines, here's the relevant part:
I had a package of Phenylethylamine seized at customs and on the seizure letter it is stating that they seized it as alkoxy phenylethylamines which is Schedule 9 in Australia.
So apparently it's not scheduled but they will randomly seize it when they feel like it?
Man some things I hear from AUS are just insane.
 
I found this old Reddit thread in regards to Alkoxyphenylethylamines, here's the relevant part:

So apparently it's not scheduled but they will randomly seize it when they feel like it?
Man some things I hear from AUS are just insane.
Thanks! Yeah, I think customs just do a ctrl/f word search on the controlled substance list :( /s

By the same token asprin would be banned for having a benzene ring and a methyl group, but don't tell 'em.
 
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Actually theres been a recent update and change to the scheduling rules as well as what drugs fall under what. I will try and find it for you now. Australia has very strict analog laws unfortunately also. But at least Bromazepam is prescribed (my second favorite benzo!) and flunitrazepam isn't Illegal :peperave:




Schedule 2: Pharmacy Medicine[edit]​

Schedule 2 (S2) drugs and poisons, otherwise known as Pharmacy Medicines, are substances and preparations for therapeutic use that –

  • are substantially safe in use but where advice or counselling is available if necessary;
  • are for minor ailments or symptoms that –
    • can be easily recognised by the consumer and
    • do not require medical diagnosis or management.
Examples:

The SUSMP March 2018 defines a Schedule 2 substance as "Substances, the safe use of which may require advice from a pharmacist and which should be available from a pharmacy or, where a pharmacy service is not available, from a licensed person."[6]

The location of these medications in the pharmacy varies from state to state.

Schedule 3: Pharmacist Only Medicine[edit]​

Schedule 3 (S3) drugs and poisons, otherwise known as Pharmacist Only Medicines, are substances and preparations for therapeutic use that –

  • are substantially safe in use but require professional advice or counselling by a pharmacist;
  • require pharmacist advice, management, or monitoring;
  • are for ailments or symptoms that –
    • can be identified by the consumer and verified by a pharmacist;
    • do not require medical diagnosis, or only require initial medical diagnosis, and do not require close medical management.
Some states have subsets of Schedule 3 with additional requirements (see below). Only some Schedule 3 medicines may be advertised to the public.

Examples:

Schedule 4: Prescription Only Medicine[edit]​

Schedule 4 (S4) drugs and poisons, otherwise known as prescription only medicines, are substances and preparations for therapeutic use that –

  • require professional medical, dental, or veterinary management or monitoring;
  • are for ailments or symptoms that require professional medical, dental, or veterinary diagnosis or management;
  • may require further evaluation for safety or efficacy;
  • are new therapeutic substances.
The price of many Schedule 4 substances are subsidized by the Australian Government through the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS), when prescribed by an authorized prescriber. Certain medications may require an authority from the PBS. Situations that may require an authority include where the drug may only have benefit in limited conditions, the true cost of the drug is high, or when there is a risk of dependence. Some states have subsets of Schedule 4 with additional requirements (see below). Schedule 4 medicines cannot be advertised directly to the public.

Examples:

Schedule 5: Caution[edit]​

Schedule 5 (S5) drugs and poisons are substances and preparations that must have appropriate packaging and simple warning labels to display that these poisons:

  • have low toxicity or a low concentration;
  • have a low to moderate hazard;
  • can cause only minor adverse effects to the human being in normal use;
  • require caution in handling, storage, or use.

Schedule 6: Poison[edit]​

Must use distinctive packaging and strong warnings to display the potential for:

  • moderate to high toxicity;
  • that may cause death or severe injury if ingested, inhaled, or in contact with the skin or eyes.

Schedule 7: Dangerous Drug[edit]​

Substances with a high potential for causing harm at low exposure and which:

  • Require special precautions for manufacture, handling or use; or
  • Only available to specialised and authorised users with appropriate skills
  • Special regulations regarding their availability, possession, storage or use may apply

Schedule 8: Controlled Drug[edit]​

Schedule 8 (S8) drugs and poisons, otherwise known as Controlled Drugs, are substances and preparations for therapeutic use which have high potential for abuse and addiction. The possession of these medications without authority is an offence.

Like schedule 4 substances, the price of many Schedule substances are subsidized through the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS), some of which may require an authority. In addition, in some states, all drugs on schedule 8 require a doctor to have an S8 permit before prescribing treatment. For example, in NSW the prescribing of Schedule 8 CNS stimulant medication (e.g., methylphenidate, dexamfetamine) requires authorisation from the NSW Ministry of Health (Pharmaceutical Services) and is generally restricted to specialists, such as paediatricians and psychiatrists. A GP (General Practitioner) cannot initiate the treatment, although they can prescribe in very limited circumstances, e.g. co-prescribing on behalf of the specialist; and in rural areas, if the patient has been diagnosed with ADHD, a GP may apply for the authority to prescribe. Patients who may require Schedule 8 CNS stimulant medication should be referred to a specialist for assessment.

Examples:

Schedule 9: Prohibited Substance[edit]​

Schedule 9 (S9) drugs and poisons are substances and preparations that, by law, may only be used for research purposes. The sale, distribution, use, and manufacture of such substances without a permit is strictly prohibited by law. Permits for research uses on humans must be approved by a recognized ethics committee on human research.

Examples:

Schedule 10: Substances of such danger to health as to warrant prohibition of sale, supply and use​

 
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