Misc phenibut

[butcher22]

so this is my 5th or 6th day on phenibut. yeah i have heard you shouldnt take it more than 2 or 3 days without a washout, i am not concerned with that. my question is do any of you get anxiety from phenny? i have horrible panic attacks and this stuff totally got rid of them completely at first but the last 2 or 3 nights i have had moments of really strange anxiety. its not like my normal anxiety. it typically starts with nausea and then i start to feel this wave of worry mixed with depression wash over me that can last for minutes or until i make myself go to sleep. i can manage it well enough to not turn into a full panic attack but its very uncomfortable and i start thinking weird things like being really depressed and upset at the fact that i will eventually die. its almost like i just now realized i am mortal and it comes as a shock to me like someone who has been given a death sentence. also i start thinking about how fucked up the world is with crime and wars and feel really disturbed and anxious about that. this isnt how i normally think and its a shame because i love phenibut so much. it brings me out of depression and makes me more energetic and social. its just the last couple of days or so i started having these weird feelings and thoughts. one possibility might be that i recently stopped drinking and taking benzos after long and heavy usage of both and now that most of my withdrawal is under control i actually have time to think about things that i have kept repressed for many years by constantly being fucked up but i dunno. sorry my question isnt very clear but maybe if someone else has a similar experience with phenibut they will know what i am talking about its just really fucking irritating that every time it seems like i have found something that works amazingly well for me it comes at a cost

i suppose it could just be anxiety that i would have felt anyway but it feels different on phenibut

 

[butcher22]

phenibut long term use

This is my second phenibut thread tonight and in my other one i mentioned that the last couple days i have had a little bit of anxiety before bed that may or may not be related so this question is going to sound conflicting with my last post but even if the anxiety is caused by the phenibut its a fair trade off to me because most of the time i am very calm and happy.

so here is my question: there is no shortage of horror stories online about phenibut addiction and withdrawal and i am new to it, this is my 5th or 6th day taking it and originally i was going to only take it 2 or 3 days a week like most people advise but then i realized i dont really care if i become dependent as long as i can maintain my tolerance level and dont have any weird side effects. have any of you taken it daily for any extended period of time? most stories i read about people quickly building tolerance are people who took ridiculously high doses. the way i see it is people become dependent on psychiatric meds all the time and its usually only a problem if they are cut off. if it helps me function better and be happier should i really be concerned about being dependent on it? am i just ignorant and naive? i want honesty but i am hoping to hear that some of you have been taking it daily for years with no issue.

honestly i will continue taking it daily until it becomes a problem regardless of what i am told because i cant stand my anxiety and depression without it but i would still like some insight

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

You should have just posted this in your other thread.. there's too many people talking about phenibut all on the front page, its gonna draw some attention from the same people who were looking at all of our etizolam threads.. now look at it.
Just copy and paste it into your other thread and then delete this post (well not mine but yours) and since its the first opening post to the thread, it will delete the thread.

I'm just worried that so many people have been bringing attention to phenibut lately, we may eventually end up needing an Rx for it.
I'm also the one who warned everyone of the bad attention etiz was getting and no one listened and those who did blew off my advice.. it is now schedule 1 in many states and all the sites that were selling it are either gone or a nootropic site now because they have too hard of a time importing it since customs is now seizing the packages.

-HOOD

 

[The Doc.]

I'm merging this thread with your other one myself so dont worry. But next time please don't make multiple threads on the same topic it doesn't help you get answers faster. And please don't double post I'm going to merge your posts also. You can use the edit function instead of making a new post when you want to add something else.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You should stop what you are doing at once, consuming Phenibut daily will surely lead to a bad outcome.
Your original plan of taking it a few times a week would most likely make you able to keep the positive effects for some time, but if you do large doses, when that period will be very short.
With small doses, you might be able to keep on doing it, but personally, I wouldn't do it more than once a week at most and less if you use other GABAergics too.

If you continue to take it daily, when you are going to have to increase your dose in order to get the desired effects from it.
At some point, you'll realise that even a solid 5 g dose doesn't even compare to 1 g when you first started.
Later on, you won't be able to get the desired effects no matter how much you take, it will only make you feel "normal". At this point, most people want to quit it, but quess what, you are now physically addicted and decreasing the dose will make your life a living hell, as in, much worse than before you ever encountered Phenibut.
Once the withdrawals are over and your "back on track", you might consider trying Phenibut again, but this time it won't work nearly as good and the withdrawals will come back MUCH quicker than before. This is a never ending spiral that only gets worse.

Bottom line is, don't do Phenibut daily.
You might think its worth it now because you feel so much better than without it, but the moneymoon will soon be over and all you'll be left with is withdrawals, regrets and the knowleadge that you fucked up a beautiful thing for good.
I hope you realise this before it is too late and be aware that the above mentioned timeline happens MUCH faster than what is the case with Benzodiazepines, and those things can make you addicted pretty fast too so it actually says quite a lot about Phenibut and its ability to make you addicted in a matter of weeks!

I'll cross my fingers for you man, don't let Phenibut fool you into doing something you'll regret.

 

[butcher22]

Hdouble0deezy, you are right. i didnt think about that. my bad.

The Doc. will do. i am fairly new to message boards. i read stuff all the time but until recently never really post.

Sourtulip i know i originally said i will probably continue taking it daily know matter what im told but i am actually going to take your advice. you are right, i am already going through benzo and alcohol withdrawal and i did the same shit with those. i would rather die then go through that again. i will treat phenibut with more respect. thank you for your honesty. my question now is do you think after 6 days of dosing do you think i will have any withdrawal during my wash out?

 

[pinpoint]

OP take heed...

You should stop what you are doing at once, consuming Phenibut daily will surely lead to a bad outcome.
Your original plan of taking it a few times a week would most likely make you able to keep the positive effects for some time, but if you do large doses, when that period will be very short.
With small doses, you might be able to keep on doing it, but personally, I wouldn't do it more than once a week at most and less if you use other GABAergics too.

If you continue to take it daily, when you are going to have to increase your dose in order to get the desired effects from it.
At some point, you'll realise that even a solid 5 g dose doesn't even compare to 1 g when you first started.
Later on, you won't be able to get the desired effects no matter how much you take, it will only make you feel "normal". At this point, most people want to quit it, but quess what, you are now physically addicted and decreasing the dose will make your life a living hell, as in, much worse than before you ever encountered Phenibut.
Once the withdrawals are over and your "back on track", you might consider trying Phenibut again, but this time it won't work nearly as good and the withdrawals will come back MUCH quicker than before. This is a never ending spiral that only gets worse.

Bottom line is, don't do Phenibut daily.
You might think its worth it now because you feel so much better than without it, but the moneymoon will soon be over and all you'll be left with is withdrawals, regrets and the knowleadge that you fucked up a beautiful thing for good.
I hope you realise this before it is too late and be aware that the above mentioned timeline happens MUCH faster than what is the case with Benzodiazepines, and those things can make you addicted pretty fast too so it actually says quite a lot about Phenibut and its ability to make you addicted in a matter of weeks!

I'll cross my fingers for you man, don't let Phenibut fool you into doing something you'll regret.

As many know I was on the Phenibut train for quite some time. It really made a positive lasting impact on my life - however the withdrawal was a whole new brand of horror. Enjoy it while it still has a positive effect on you because eventually Phenibut will do nothing for you and you'll run in to withdrawal after as little as two days consecutive use. I used it as a tool because it induced hypomania in me I was able to spend half a summer in 'HOLY SHIT HAPPY' mode. I got a LOT done in that summer and made a lot of new friends. Now it just takes away anxiety and does absolutely nothing in terms of the euphoric dopaminergic effect it once had.

TLDR: Enjoy it while it lasts and be prepared for a horrendous week of anxiety and depression - the likes of which you have never felt before.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Fuck me, you actually listened! Didn't see that one coming, I was actually writing what I did with the intention of keeping others from doing the same, while hoping (but not expecting) that you would take my advice. Thats great man, and truly shows that you are not oblivious to the facts. Im happy for you, 'cause you just dodged a bullet!

Normally I would say no, but given your history with other GABAergics, you might have some withdrawal symptoms, but I don't think that you're in for that much "pain". If shit turns bad, then keep reminding yourself that it will all be over soon.
The withdrawals are very tuff, but they don't last very long either. Nothing compared to the general duration of benzo withdrawal.

 

[butcher22]

Fuck me, you actually listened! Didn't see that one coming, I was actually writing what I did with the intention of keeping others from doing the same, while hoping (but not expecting) that you would take my advice. Thats great man, and truly shows that you are not oblivious to the facts. Im happy for you, 'cause you just dodged a bullet!

Normally I would say no, but given your history with other GABAergics, you might have some withdrawal symptoms, but I don't think that you're in for that much "pain". If shit turns bad, then keep reminding yourself that it will all be over soon.
The withdrawals are very tuff, but they don't last very long either. Nothing compared to the general duration of benzo withdrawal.

lol to be honest i am surprised i listened too because i am really hard headed about stuff like this but the way you worded it scared me and reminded me of how i used to ignore everyone's solid advice when it came to benzos and how i wish my dumb ass would have listened. is there something i could take while im off that would help with anxiety and benzo withdrawal?

 

[Jabberwocky]

L-Theanine and Gabapentin/Pregabalin might be worth researching.

Tolerance to L-theanine develops quickly and Gabapentin/Pregabalin causes dependence as well, but it takes some time to develop so those could be worth trying but ONLY for a short period of time, while your going through acute withdrawals.