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Phenibut taper and withdrawal at home with kava?

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gingerjess

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Hello everyone,
This is my first post so I apologize in advance if I do something wrong. I am a 28 year old woman and I stupidly got addicted to phenibut. I started it just to curb the anxiety I already had as I recently quit benzos and opiates. I am addicted to phenibut so now I have to find a way out.

I started using about a gram and went up to 4 grams a day. I have tapered down to 1.5 grams this week but it definitely has not been easy. I have been suffering with the worst panic attacks of my life, nightmares and stomach issues that are worse than opiate withdrawal.

I tried to go see a psychiatrist and they refused to see me and pointed me towards a detox center. I do not have insurance and I have been to many detox centers as I have been an addict for 7 years. I am so full of anxiety that I cannot see putting myself in a detox center for this, especially because nobody has any idea about it. Every time I have ever been to a detox center they drug you up for 5 days and kick you out with the bare minimum of medication. As I stated before I am without insurance.

I have managed to get through the panic attacks but I am scared because I haven't even went 24 hours without a dose. I found some great videos on panic attacks and they don't scare me as much even though they suck. I have only had 3 since my taper started.

I have done hours upon hours of research and haven't found much information of people just doing it home without doctors help.

My question is has anyone successfully got off phenibut without having to go to the doctor? Is it going to be a week long panic attack??

I just ordered some ISA Kava online. Has anyone used this? Is it a good idea?? Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Alone and Scared :(
 
I did, actually it wasn't horrible, it was certainly easier than opiate withdrawal except the anxiety was worse. I will admit I had horrible anxiety, but it lasted a week and then it was gone. I was taking about 3 grams a day for a year straight, didn't realize it was addictive at the time. I went cold-turkey from that.

I will say also I had help... a friend gave me 2 solid doses of Lyrica (pregabalin) and on day 2 I took one, and on day 5 (300mg each day). The days in between were bad, but the days I took the Lyrica I felt fine, actually I felt amazing (good thing I didn't have more as Lyrica feels far better than phenibut to me). It helped take the edge off and gave me a couple of days in there where I felt good (felt phenomenal actually, one of the best feelings I've ever felt, so if you go that way, use caution because Lyrica can also cause dependence).

I was also partially withdrawing from kratom at that time, I had just moved and I lost my tub of phenibut in the move and had no money for a while so I had to ration down to one 10 gram dose of kratom a day, rather than 3-4 12 gram doses a day. So I had a bit of double whammy. It was really shitty but I made it through. I never felt any physical danger from phenibut withdrawal, it was all mental. I felt like I had no energy, I was depressed, and I was extremely anxious. But nothing like benzo withdrawal or something like that, where seizures are a risk.

Kava will probably help some but don't expect substantial relief. It will take some of the edge off, that's about it. I used kava a lot when I was tapering/trying to come off opiates and it helped a bit for that too but just a bit.
 
Thanks for the reply. I wish I could get Lyrica but I can't. I also take kratom and I am not ready to quit both at once. Were you having panic attacks all day?? Did you feel nauseous?
 
Hey, I came off a 6 month phenibut habit (4 - 5g a day) with relative ease by using lot (AND LOTS) of benzos, Etizolam and Flubromazepam mainly.

I was pretty bad by the time I decided to come off, the Phenibut had pretty much stopped working to alleviate the withdrawal no matter how much I took.

I ended up telling my mother about the situation I was in (she was previously aware of my use of what I foolishly thought to be a safe wonderdrug) and asked her to keep I eye on me and I basically took shit loads of benzos for the first 3 days, then much smaller amounts for the next 4 just to keep the residual anxiety away. Using this method it was practically painless for me!
 
gingerjess said:
Thanks for the reply. I wish I could get Lyrica but I can't. I also take kratom and I am not ready to quit both at once. Were you having panic attacks all day?? Did you feel nauseous?
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No nausea, I didn't have full-blown panic attacks (though I never have in my life for any reason), I was just worrying about everything constantly, so anxious that my wife would want to have sex and I couldn't and didn't want to. I felt miserable, broken, it felt like it would never go away, like everything was wrong and I wanted to cry. Lots of anxiety fluttering in my chest constantly. Then after day 7 it broke, I still felt shaky for a bit but I started to enjoy life again. It honestly was nothing compared to opiate withdrawal but I was addicted to opiates for 10 years.
 
Well xorkoth, Last night and being wide awake I took 1 gram at 5am and this morning when I woke up I decided I would stop prolonging this bull$$&# I gave my boyfriend the few days supply that I had left and I am just going to quit. I was addicted to opiates too and I definitely know what that withdrawal was like. So that is pretty reassuring the phenibut won't be as bad. I know that you should take one day at a time but did you feel normal and happy after you quit or did you feel like you were missing something? Meaning did you start to find pleasure in life again? Or did you have to find another DOC? Thanks for all your help I was so freaked out by everything I read online like people having a panic attack just opening a jar of peanut butter. Maybe when I am done with this I can smoke weed again. Before phenibut I would smoke a couple times a day. Whereas now I just lose my mind and go through a full blown panic attack after one hit.
 
Good luck.

Is there something you can set up for a week to relax and take your mind off things? Favorite movies/tv series?

It may turn out that you may just be one of those people who should never self-medicate, and just focus on sobriety.
 
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Well xorkoth, Last night and being wide awake I took 1 gram at 5am and this morning when I woke up I decided I would stop prolonging this bull$$&# I gave my boyfriend the few days supply that I had left and I am just going to quit. I was addicted to opiates too and I definitely know what that withdrawal was like. So that is pretty reassuring the phenibut won't be as bad. I know that you should take one day at a time but did you feel normal and happy after you quit or did you feel like you were missing something? Meaning did you start to find pleasure in life again? Or did you have to find another DOC? Thanks for all your help I was so freaked out by everything I read online like people having a panic attack just opening a jar of peanut butter. Maybe when I am done with this I can smoke weed again. Before phenibut I would smoke a couple times a day. Whereas now I just lose my mind and go through a full blown panic attack after one hit.
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It's hard to say because it happened at a very stressful time in my life (I had just gotten married, I had just bought my first house which was too expensive in retrospect, and I had just moved to a new place where I knew no one but my wife). So I felt anxious on and off for a while but I think I would have anyway. After a week I started to find enjoyment in life again. It took a lot less time than it did for opiates. But, I was still on kratom afterwards, I didn't get off opiates (kratom and then poppy tea) for a number of years after I got off phenibut. I took minimal amounts of kratom for a couple of weeks, then I could afford to buy more (or rather, I couldn't but I got another credit card).
 
Well I'm on like 36hrs. I keep having dreams about Xanax but at least I am sleeping. I do wake up every few hours. I wish I tried a long time ago because this is how I felt tapering off. I mean maybe it hasn't hit me yet??? If this is how it is I must be tough or something. Which is not true in general. You are right it doesnt come near opiate withdrawal. I wish I didn't read all of those horror stories on the internet. This is a damn cake walk. I hope I am not jinxing myself lol.
 
Yeah, maybe best to stop reading other's accounts at this point and just take it an hour at a time on your own. Kudos for giving the rest to your boyfriend--that shows determination. I hope that it goes smoothly.<3
 
I spoke too soon. It hit me and I couldnt handle it so I took under a gram. I dont know what I am going to do.
 
ok so i finally found an urgent care doctor who was nice enough to prescribe me a week of xanax. Yayyyy
 
Oh no!! I decided this was my only chance to quit kratom as well. So now I am in day one of phenibut withdrawal and took my last dose of kratom. the doctor gave me the weakest supply of xanax I only have 7 days worth. I have like 2 footballs a day!! ANd my tolderance to the shit is through the roof. i also have some immodium. Only thing sucks are the body aches should I get some Nyquil or something? As an ex opiate addict what is a good over the counter pain reliever? So here comes some hell. Does anyone know what I am in for??? and of course my kava probably wont show until monday!! =(
 
Okay so I have been writing things down lately because I can no longer remember jack shit after all the chemicals I doused my brain in. I handwrote them messy which cracks me up also. They are such scattered thoughts. Jumpin back and forth on ideas.
Two days ago which would have been Sept 4,14
Took too many pills Did not follow doctors orders
I wrote times goes by so slooowww at 5:30 and I am "Bored as EFFF!!" I then decided to clean my walk shower. I was stoned. my bones were aching. (I state in my notes that to myself high as hell over medicating.)you are not missing out on anything when you dont have xanax its not the same feeling! You dont have to chase a xanax high!! yay. why couldnt i learn that a long time ago.
9pm
I just woke up from a nap
Sept 5,
Woke up in extreme panic at 4 am
Took seroquel and more xanax
No idea what happened from 9pm until....
Woke up around 11am again not remember much just tring to sleep it off
 
Whats up guys? Just woke up to my room completely destroyed and grapes all over my bed. I do not remember much from yesterday. Weird. I'm down to 19 pills after the one I just took. Decided to quit the kratom while I'm at it. Got some sore legs through that was one that always got me during opiate withdrawal Or the don't touch me feeling ..lol I've been reintroduced to my first love"mary jane" which has been a lifesaver with kratom withdrawal. I have been sleeping alot and smoking alot...going to have some coffee for a change lol
 
It sounds like you're blacking out from Xanax honestly, how much are you taking?

And yeah marijuana can help with these things, I always used it in opiate withdrawal, it helps for sure.
 
Omg my stomach is like really killing me immodium is not helping it hurts so bad i took some kratom hoping that will help
 
didn't read any of this except title, but definately get OFF the phenibut. it ruined my life. I OD'd heavily on it and was awake for 7 days, puking, and hallucinating, by the time i made it to the hospital i was practically dead. I had tons of fucking seizures, and went nuts, 1 year later im 100lbs heavier cause the phenibut caused me to have permanent epilepsy. and my life fucking sucks
 
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