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Phenibut/Dexedrine/Kratom/Klonopin/Lorazapam and other stuff--Incredibly Euphoric

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Last Saturday I ran an experiment with some different substances that led to INSANE euphoria and one of the most fun drug combos I've done in a while.

My decision to do this combo came from wanting to see what it was like to combine Dexedrine and Phenibut cause I've never done it before.

I had already combined and LOVED mixing Kratom with Phenibut and Kratom with Dex but not Dex and Phenibut so wanted to see what it was like.

I already take Klonopin as medicine but I don't take it every single day, so I figured that would be in the mix as well, but unlike some people Klonopin doesn't actually get me high, just relaxes me.


Anyways, the drug combo began when I woke up early and wanted to fall back to sleep so I took 1.8mgs of Klonopin, my daily 40mgs of Lexapro and 400mgs of L-Theanine and passed back out again.

When I finally decided to get up I had breakfast and 4 1/2 cups of coffee (I'm a caffe-iend and drink 7-8 cups a day).

I had a hangover from drinking the night before so took 2 Alieves, 2 Tylenols, some Pepcid AC and some Gas X and chugged a gatorade.

Then I took 2.5mgs of Dexedrine and 14 grams of Kratom, 8 of which were Green Malaysian, 3 were Red Vein Thai and 3 were Bali.

I also took 2,900mgs of Phenibut FAA which I am finding to be a bit smoother than the HCL which I am used to, another 600mgs of L-Theanine, and 700mgs of Phenylpiracetam which I think does absolutely nothing at all lol.


Now with Phenibut I never exceed the recommended 4,000mgs and I find that I can enjoy that dosage IF it's spread out over the day but taken all at once it's too sedating, but 2,900mgs gives me a nice combination of stimulation and euphoria.


Because I am OCD with documenting EVERY little thing I combine lol, I also took some things that have no consciousness altering effect but just took them because as Hunter S. Thompson says "once you get locked into a serious drug collection the tendency is to take it as far as you can".

So with my breakfast I also took: Chelated Magniesum, Rhodiola Rosea, Inositol, Potassium, I Flora (a probiotic), Acidphilous, Vitamin B and Vitamin D.

I also mixed Ginseng and Echinacea with my coffee for no reason in particular.


So the Kratom kicked in first and as usual I felt nice and warm, slightly more sedated than stimulated from the larger dose, but I knew that wouldn't last for long as the Dex was on the way to my brain.

Sure enough, shortly after the Dex kicked in and the combo felt great: super stimulated but also a bit opiated, a nice little mini-speed ball which gives me excited trains of thought where I day dream about all sorts of different things going off in different tangents.

I don't usually notice if my Klonopin adds to the effect of anything because like I said, it doesn't get me high and the one thing I'll notice about it in these combos is that it keeps things more "steady" and will reduce any of the negative "shaky" effects of being too overstimulated from uppers.

I knew the Phenibut wouldn't take effect for a while because for me it always takes at least like 90 mins to kick in, so I just enjoyed the Kratom/Dex combo and listened to music.

One thing was for sure was that I was no longer feeling hungover hahaha.

I think that Kratom and Dex go very well together so long as you don't take too much Dex because otherwise you can get overstimulated.

I don't take big doses of Dex, usually just 2.5mgs and rarely more than 5mgs, so I don't usually get too overstimulated mixing it with Kratom, even with all the coffee I drink.

Finally the Phenibut kicked in and then I was feeling AMAZING.

While some people refer to Phenibut as only a sedative I find that much like Kratom, lower doses (below 3,000mgs) tend to be stimulating for me while higher doses are sedating.

So the dose I was on I was feeling stimulated by, plus the already stimulating Dex and coffee and the mix stimulant/sedative effect of the Kratom, at this point I would say I was feeling about 80% stimulated and about 20% sedated/relaxed.

I felt like if there were people there I'd be talking their ears off, and online I was just typing all kinds of shit on different forums and pacing around my house thinking about all kinds of shit like I do when I'm on stimulants.

I had wondered how the Phenibut/Dexedrine combo would feel and so far I'd say it didn't feel all that different from the Kratom/Dex combo in the sense that you have two drugs with stimulant effects and another which has a relaxing/sedating effect to (the Kratom or Phenibut).

In general, this didn't have the feeling of something I had never done before really.

I sat around downloading and listening to music, typing/reading on the internet and just letting my mind go off on any crazy tangents it wanted to.

At this point I felt very comfortable that the Phenibut/Klonopin mixture was not going to be too CNS depressing.

Only recently had I first combined Phenibut and Klonopin cause as two GABA drugs I was a bit worried they'd be dangerous but since I never go over 2.0mgs of Klonopin and have a high tolerance to it and don't exceed 4 grams of Phenibut I feel that for me at least the combo of those dosages is not that dangerous though I'd never recommend to someone else to mix benzos and Phenibut.


Anyways, cause of how comfortable I felt I decided to throw a little Lorazapam into the mix I had lying around just to see what happened.

I barely ever take it because I don't need to having access to Klonopin, but I was having fun so whatever.

I decided to go REALLY slow and only took about 0.2mgs of Lorazapam and waited for it to kick in.

When it did it didn't feel any different and I couldn't notice any different effects (not suprising with how low a dosage it was) so I decided to take another 0.3mgs to make it a total of 0.5mgs Lorazapam.


That kicked in and again, I didn't feel any different so I stopped there and didn't take more Lorazapam cause it would have been pointless.

At this point, on a combined 2.3mgs of benzo (1.8mg of Klonopin and 0.5mg Lorzapam) plus the 2,900mgs of Phenibut and and the Kratom....I didn't in any way feel that there was any dangerous CNS depression going on which satisfied me so I decided to take another 500mgs of Phenibut.

Still at this point I had what I'd call an opiated stimulant high: nice and buzzed from the opioid effects of the Kratom and stimulated from the Dex, Phenibut and coffee.

I'd say this would be a super social combo if I was at a party.

The Phenylpiracetam never does anything for me, but for some reason I decided to take another 0.300mgs to make it a total of 1,000mgs cause why the fuck not.

The Kratom was going to wear off in another 2 hours or so at which point I'd have to redose so I took another 4 grams to try to increase the sedative side of things to see if I could get closer to a 50/50 combo of stimulation/relaxation/sedation.

When that kicked in I did indeed feel more sedated but still very stimulated.

Finally the other 500mgs of Phenibut kicked while I was cooking dinner and the "trip" took a turn towards the more sedating side.

I felt very relaxed, "heavy" both physically and mentally and a little dizzy in the unique way that Phenibut users will recognize as unique to the drug.

I still felt stimulated from the dex and Kratom, but now I felt much more like I was on downers than before.

It was good for a little while till I decided I want a little more stimulation to bring it back to a more even place so I did something which I do in situations like this, which was I took a few hits from a benzedrex inhaler.

While some people actually swallow the cottons inside the inhalers to really get a SERIOUS stimulant high, I've never done that before and don't feel quite comfortable trying it yet because that's a lot of stimulant, so I just take more hits through inhalation than is recommended for allergies.

The benzedrex box instructs users to take 2 sniffs in each nostril for allergies, so I took 5 in each nostril and it brought me back up to a more stimulated place immediately.

I then had another 2 cups of coffee plus a cup of tea which I mixed with Ginseng, Echniacea and interestingly enough, a couple droppers worth of some Kava Kava tincture I have.

Kava never does much for me by itself and the Kava tincture isn't very strong but I HAVE noticed that when mixed with other drugs it can really potentiate them.

I first noticed it years ago when I drank some while on Oxycodone and it really increased the buzz.

So this was kind of a fun "stimulant/relaxant" mixture that went right along with the already unusual "up/down" mixture I was on.

Now I was feeling quite nice, but still about 60% on a downer trip and about 40% upper as opposed to earlier on.

At this point I knew that both the Kratom and Dex were going to wear off soon so I took another 14 grams of Kratom (once again about 3gs Red Vein Thai and 3 gs Bali to 7 Green Malay for about a 55/45% Green/Red Vein mix) and decided to take a larger dose of dex than before, this time around 6mgs.


The Kratom kicked in first and I felt even more sedated than before because some of the earlier dose hadn't worn off and we all know that large doses of Kratom are more sedating.

However, then the extra large Dex dose kicked in and I felt REALLY nice and stimulated and the trip went back to being more stimulating.

At this point I felt the most euphoric I'd felt yet and had a HUGE dex rush in addition to everything else, now about 75% stimulated to sedated.


I tried to think about how much of each drug I felt and found it was hard to pick apart the feelings of each individual drug between the Kratom/Dexedrine and Phenibut because they all felt so harmonious.

That's how I knew I'd done a good job with this mixture: everything was blending together so harmoniously that I didn't feel like I was on 3 seperate drugs (actually more than 3 at this point) but rather just one big blend.


Kratom had me both opiated and stimulated like it always does, the Dex had me speedy and energized, and the Phenibut, though at this point it felt more sedating than stimulating, had me in a nice, heavy, pleasantly dizzy headspace.

I drank another cup of tea mixed with Kava and snorted some more benzedrex and spent another couple of hours in these great mixed state, listening to music and surfing the internet.

As it got later I decided to steer the trip in a more naturally downward direction so I wouldn't be as stimulated, even though I knew I'd probably have a lot of trouble sleeping cause I can never sleep on Kratom.

I took the last 600mgs of Phenibut to bring me to a total of 4,000mgs which would have had me TOO sedated had it not been so spread out, but being spaced so evenly once it kicked in I was just really relaxed and zoned out, yet still on some left over dex from before, and obviously still on Kratom.

Even when the Dex wore off I was still stimulated enough from the Kratom I was still on not to be crashing too hard.

Now I was mostly on Phenibut with some left over Kratom stimulation that I knew would keep me up most of the night so while trying to think of something interesting to do for the next few hours I got an idea: I remembered that I had some Mulungu bark which I'd swallowed without any good effects and that I had planned on trying to smoke it to see if that worked better.

I'd heard online that Mulungu bark is an anxiolytic sedative and had swallowed 30 grams but hadn't gotten any kind of a high.

So I got out my bowl and packed up some bark and took a few hits and SURPRISE SURPRISE!!

It actually got me pretty high!!!

I can't know how much of it was the Mulungu alone or if it was just potentiated by the Phenibut and Kratom but the effect was an instananeous sedative type high, in some ways slightly similar to the Phenibut but without any of the stimulating properties, but with it's own flavor that would be hard to compare with anything else.

It wasn't EXTREMELY strong, but it still packed a punch and I knew it wasn't placebo cause it was making me tired which is an effect I DIDN'T want and usually a sign of placebo is getting an effect you WANTED as proof that you kind of convinced yourself you were feeling what effect you were after.

I finished a small bowl and at that point was feeling very pleasant and dream-like.

I then got out some Indian Warrior herb (Pedicularis Densiflora) which I discovered about a year ago is one of the few obscure herbs for sale online that actually has a strong effect on me.

I packed a small bowl of Indian Warrior with a little bit of Blue Lotus statements on top which I also find have very mild effect on me.

This combo tastes nice and seemed to wake me back up a little bit, not in the sense that it actually stimulated me but just in that it wasn't AS sedating as the Mulungu so by comparison I felt like it brought me back to reality.

Indian Warrior feels A LITTLE BIT more like an extremely weak Indica strain of weed in the sense that it has a body high without any real mental effect.

The blue lotus stamens are weaker than either Indian Warrior or Mulungu, so much so that any effect I get from them may be placebo but I can't be sure.

After finishing off that bowl I lay on my floor with my head against a pillow listening to light music and feeling very pleasant indeed, no longer at al stimulated as both the Kratom and Dex had worn off.

Usually I can't sleep after Kratom but sometimes with the help of Phenibut I can, not to mention I was finding myself to be QUITE sedated from the Mulungu, so I took 0.5mgs of Klonopin, 600mgs of L-Theanine and 3.25MLs of Melatoinin, got in bed, and to my surprise drifted off to sleep relatively quickly.

I still woke up frequently and only slept 5 1/2 hours but as is common with Phenibut even a very poor night's sleep often feels like quality sleep and leaves you feeling unnaturally refreshed.

I'm not sure why Phenibut has this effect but it's nice that it does.

The next day I abstained from the Kratom and just used a little dex to keep exhaustion at bay and a little Klonopin for any rebound anxiety and went to sleep early the next night.


All in all, this experience had some of the most intense euphoria of any recent drug combo I've tried and overall i find that Phenibut and Dexedrine complement eachother well and that the Phenibut/Kratom/Dexedrine/Klonopin combo is incredibly euphoric, and just as anxiety relieving as it is stimulating.

I think if I'd had some weed and nitrous they'd both have gone very nicely with this combo.

The Lorazapam was entirely unnecessary and I don't think I needed as much Klonopin as I took, but otherwise everything was perfect.

I look forward to mixing Dexedrine/Phenibut and Kratom again in the future.
 
Were you still feeling it when you wrote this? =D

I agree with your overall assessment of phenibut. It's one of my favorite substances and I use it regularly, once every 3 days. If I dose right (for me it's 1500mg if I haven't been doing it lately, and if I do it every 3 days, it raises to about 2000, generally I'll take 1500 and then another 500 or maybe 750 a couple of hours later), it produces such a clean, natural euphoria and energy. It doesn't feel like a drug really, unless I take too much; dosed right, it feels more like a natural state, like I just got the best, most relieving news and am having an amazing day because of it. I feel more vital, my inspiration flows, I feel music more deeply, I'm full of energy and motivation, and it's also a really good sex enhancer. Anxiety doesn't seem to exist. I feel a slight bit of relaxation within an hour of taking it but it takes a number of hours to develop into the actual effects I look for from it, which feel fairly dopaminergic to me (I don't know if they are or not, but for example GHB has a dopamine rebound effect when it wears off). I usually take it around 9 or 10am, the first 1500mg anyway, and then at 11 to noon I take the rest, and I'm fully there around 4pm.

I really love taking it as a base for other drugs because it pretty much just lends its nature to the other drugs without really changing them. I particularly like mixing it with psychedelics, as it lends its feeling of boundless energy and euphoria to the trip but it doesn't make it less psychedelic.

I haven't tried the FAA, the HCl works fine for me (the microcrystalline variety seems much better than the fine powder variety for some reason), but if I dose a little too high I do get some roughness in the form of sloppiness and leg soreness, and a general overwhelming urge to sleep and a sort of weird body malaise. Dosed high it's very sedative but dosed correctly it really isn't at all, it's more of a relaxing stimulant.

I am able to sustain a lack of physical dependence and consistency of effects by dosing once every 3 days. I was doing every other day for a while, but over time my tolerance went up and I realized I had to deal with a couple of uncomfortable days if I stopped. When I first got it, in 2006, everyone was saying it was not addictive so I just dosed it every day for a year, and had a really difficult week. But interestingly during those periods I didn't crave it like I did when I was addicted to opiates or anything else. It was only hard to reduce my usage because it was uncomfortable, but I was fine with using it less. It's easy to stick to the every 3 days rule now because it works for me and I feel fine with not doing it. I just keep using it because it's a useful tool for me. For example, I'll time it so I have a phenibut day when my band is playing a gig or we're doing a creative jam session practice. Or when I'm going to go see a great show, or when I'm going to trip, or when I really want to be more confident and extroverted in a social setting.

Question, since you seem pretty experience with it, have you noticed how when you're on a good dose of phenibut your skin gives off a lot of heat? My girlfriend has commented a variety of times that my hands almost feel hot on her. And on it I always feel very warm, and my hands are always toasty, though in general I have a tendency to get cold fingers and toes.

I've been using phenibut most of the time since I discovered it in 2006... I took about a year off twice, but I'm happy to say it still works great for me.
 
Were you still feeling it when you wrote this? =D

I agree with your overall assessment of phenibut. It's one of my favorite substances and I use it regularly, once every 3 days. If I dose right (for me it's 1500mg if I haven't been doing it lately, and if I do it every 3 days, it raises to about 2000, generally I'll take 1500 and then another 500 or maybe 750 a couple of hours later), it produces such a clean, natural euphoria and energy. It doesn't feel like a drug really, unless I take too much; dosed right, it feels more like a natural state, like I just got the best, most relieving news and am having an amazing day because of it. I feel more vital, my inspiration flows, I feel music more deeply, I'm full of energy and motivation, and it's also a really good sex enhancer. Anxiety doesn't seem to exist. I feel a slight bit of relaxation within an hour of taking it but it takes a number of hours to develop into the actual effects I look for from it, which feel fairly dopaminergic to me (I don't know if they are or not, but for example GHB has a dopamine rebound effect when it wears off). I usually take it around 9 or 10am, the first 1500mg anyway, and then at 11 to noon I take the rest, and I'm fully there around 4pm.

I really love taking it as a base for other drugs because it pretty much just lends its nature to the other drugs without really changing them. I particularly like mixing it with psychedelics, as it lends its feeling of boundless energy and euphoria to the trip but it doesn't make it less psychedelic.

I haven't tried the FAA, the HCl works fine for me (the microcrystalline variety seems much better than the fine powder variety for some reason), but if I dose a little too high I do get some roughness in the form of sloppiness and leg soreness, and a general overwhelming urge to sleep and a sort of weird body malaise. Dosed high it's very sedative but dosed correctly it really isn't at all, it's more of a relaxing stimulant.

I am able to sustain a lack of physical dependence and consistency of effects by dosing once every 3 days. I was doing every other day for a while, but over time my tolerance went up and I realized I had to deal with a couple of uncomfortable days if I stopped. When I first got it, in 2006, everyone was saying it was not addictive so I just dosed it every day for a year, and had a really difficult week. But interestingly during those periods I didn't crave it like I did when I was addicted to opiates or anything else. It was only hard to reduce my usage because it was uncomfortable, but I was fine with using it less. It's easy to stick to the every 3 days rule now because it works for me and I feel fine with not doing it. I just keep using it because it's a useful tool for me. For example, I'll time it so I have a phenibut day when my band is playing a gig or we're doing a creative jam session practice. Or when I'm going to go see a great show, or when I'm going to trip, or when I really want to be more confident and extroverted in a social setting.

Question, since you seem pretty experience with it, have you noticed how when you're on a good dose of phenibut your skin gives off a lot of heat? My girlfriend has commented a variety of times that my hands almost feel hot on her. And on it I always feel very warm, and my hands are always toasty, though in general I have a tendency to get cold fingers and toes.

I've been using phenibut most of the time since I discovered it in 2006... I took about a year off twice, but I'm happy to say it still works great for me.

Yeah i was definitely on Phenibut and Kratom when I wrote this haha.

No, I really have very little experience with Phenibut and have only been experimenting infrequently for less than a year now.

I never notice exactly that I give off more heat but I feel a bit hotter and more sweaty.

So you think it's safe to take it every 3 days and not get addicted?

At first I'd sworn to keep it once a week, then I tried once in 6 days...still fine and so I tried once in 5 and that was also still fine.

Some of the threads on here REALLY scared me off that (like Pinpoints "My Phenibut Affair" thread detailing auditory hallucinations during WD from just using 3 days in a row...) seems people react REALLY differently to the stuff.

Couple other questions:

1) Do you think it's best not to take with my as needed dosage of 1.0-1.5mgs Klonopin?? The other day I combined 4,000mgs Phenibut with 1.5mgs Klonopin and 1/2mg Lorazapam and was fine but I'm not sure it's best as a typical thing.

2) Do you think it's safe to do INTENSE excercise on Phenibut for the heart??

I do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and MMA training and the sessions can get pretty extreme and i"m not sure if being on Phenibut while doing it would raise my blood pressure too much but doing it for LIGHT workouts and cardio at the gym has always been fine.

3) Do you think there's enough info overall for us to assume that this kind of moderate Phenibut usage of 1-2 days a week LESS than 4,000mgs AT MOST is safe or do we still really have no idea what long term effects this chemical can have??

They seem to know a lot more about it in Russia but I can't read Russia and overhere it still seems pretty unknown.

Thanks
 
Regarding exercise, I take phenibut and kratom daily and exercise heavily (running 6 to 10 miles in each run and I do this several times a week). My blood pressure is lower than it usually is when I check it and I lean towards light hypertension.

The phenibut and kratom combo has helped me push my running to levels I thought were impossible. Also, I suffer from chronic depression and this combo totally rids me of it and helps me to be more social. I can talk to anyone and people are attracted to my positivity. It definitely enhances my performance. The only thing is that I'm quite addicted to phenibut and take approximately 5-7 grams daily. I want to cut down to a more reasonable level.
 
To answer your questions to the best of my ability:

1 - I don't think it's dangerous, but they're both GABA drugs (though not on the same subset of receptors). Honestly phenibut is a better anti-anxiety medication IMO. If I were you I'd not take the benzo on days you take the phenibut.

2 - Absolutely, I find phenibut great for exercising actually. I've never noticed that it seems to put any strain on my heart whatsoever. I feel an enhanced endurance on phenibut and its motivating effects also help with working out. I regularly work out on it.

3 - I'm not sure we really know, since it's new. I feel good about using it regularly, I've never noticed any negative side effects from my pattern of usage.

Also, regarding physical addiction, yeah it seems people react differently. I hadn't really heard of physical addiction until I experienced withdrawals that time I mentioned in my prior post. For me, they weren't bad, I didn't feel physically bad really at all, it was all mental. I had very intense anxiety and depression for about a week. After that I felt pretty much normal, maybe a little shaky for a bit after. But a friend of mine on Bluelight experienced, as he said, the worst withdrawals he's ever felt from it, he said it made GHB withdrawals seem like a joke. He reported hallucinations, feeling like he was going to have a seizure, in short, like intense, acute benzo withdrawal (that's what it reminded me of by his descriptions). He felt it was very dangerous. I've taken it daily for 2-3 weeks since that time I took it daily for years, a few times, and at the end of that I felt anxious for a couple of days but it was no big deal. FOR ME, once every 3 days is a good level and I avoid physical dependence. it seems sustainable but I also take a week or so off from time to time just to be safe. Be careful though, if you want to go once every 3 days, I'd try it for I don't know, 4 or 5 times, and then don't take it when you normally would and make sure you feel fine, before you just jump into that schedule for any real length of time.
 
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