Misc Phenibut - best way to take? Pictures inside..

[Jabberwocky]

not sure if this is the best place for Phenibut but we were having a discussion in another thread and wanted to start my own here (other had nothing to do w/ Phenibut but took a turn toward Phenibut).

anyway, who here has done/tried/does Phenibut? which brand do you use/feel is best?

I have ALWAYS used pill form but was well aware powder is best. well, I just ordered my first powder (pic attached) and got the info from another Phenibut user in here.

who here as tried this before? any good? what is your typical dosage? also, do you use a scoop of the spoon given? it's sooooo small, which is why I ask. also, do you ONLY fill it up to the TIP of the spoon, or do you just take an actual scoop and let it flow over?

I used to take 2-3G's daily; sometimes twice a day when I was using more often. always got a great rush.

well, nowadays I am a dope fiend and looking to QUIT using; so I need something to help. also, I enjoy Phenibut as is, so why not, right?

I took about 5 scoops this afternoon around 130 and feel PRETTY good.. but also did a G of dope.. but I feel better than usual.

what would you peeps say is the best dosage for this?

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

I'd like to know more about phenibut too. Some folks, like yourself, rave about it. I've read of it being compared to heroin (hard to believe) but still suggests that folks are feeling a strongly pleasant effect. I've never had GHB but understand it is supposed to be in the same ballpark, and if it's a "cleaner alcohol" effect like I've read GHB is, I'm interested. The only times I've ever had phenibut, I hated the feeling. It was like being drunk but without euphoria, just annoying, borderline anxious, the exact opposite of "clean drunk", it was more like "dirty sober"! Poisoned is a good descriptor as to how I felt. I also find it lasts for 12+ hours, just progressively gets more and more sedating, I eventually pass out and then wake up the next day un-refreshed, drained, still feeling poisoned, and pissed off that I feel this way because I tried to catch a buzz

How do you dose daily!? I got the Liftmode stuff, got great reviews...

I've been looking for some variety in my daily menu. I use kratom nearly every day and I pepper in kava, kanna and edible cannabis sometimes mixed with, sometimes in place of kratom. I'm moving towards using things exclusively, as in Monday I have kratom, Tuesday kava, Wednesday kanna, etc.. I've experimented with phenethylamine powder (with and without hordenine) on and off and I don't get consistent or long enough lasting results from that. I've gone through tubs of -racetams, not once noticing any effect. I'd love to see if I can get positive results from phenibut!

 

[88dood88]

Best way for me to take it was to capsule it up and wash the caps down with some water. I would try a .5 - 1g dose to start with to see how it effects you, and go from there. It takes a couple of hours to come up on and it lasts awhile.I took about 2g before bed when I first got it and woke up to use the bathroom and was tipsy and off balance, so I fell back asleep for another 3 hours or so and woke back up feeling very alert and awake. I personally never used it for a high, only for sleep on the weekends, but I always felt like it acted similar to a benzo and when I woke up, it was in a more positive mood. One time I did take it in the morning, as I had a large social event happening around noon, and phenibut made it so easy and anxiety-free, whereas normally I have lots and lots of anticipatory anxiety and such.

Be careful about taking it often though, because I've read that the withdrawal/rebound effects are very shitty. Keep it to 2 or 3 days consecutive use max, don't want to fuck with this stuff, it can be potent. Theres plenty of withdrawal and rebound stories you can search for on google.

Hey Seattle, how is kanna? I take kratom often, have some legit kava (that I haven't made because I'm afraid I would fuck up making it), and was always curious about kanna. Heard it acts as a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. How was your experience with it?

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Kanna is a glorious herb and should be a staple in any natural/plant-based psychonaut's funbox right next to his kratom and kava. I often enjoy a ~3-500 mg pinch in with my morning kratom. Sometimes I will even just pound a ~500mg shot mixed in warm water! It mixes phenomenally with alcohol, totally changing the drunk to more of a stimulating high, especially when smoked. If you're the kind of person who can appreciate a subtle effect from an organic compound, this can provide feels of ecstasy. If you expect it to make you "roll ballz bro" you will be wildly disappointed and nauseous.

It's effects come on really quick, smoked is about as quick as nicotine and oral is ~30 mins, maybe 1 hour depending on contents. The "stomach must be empty or it won't work" comments I read around the net are not true, I drank a ~2 oz shot of warm water with 500mg ground kanna mixed into it right after a stuffed-my-face dinner, and felt full-on extremely pleasurable effects in about an hour. You notice colors get super saturated, your eyes gently pop open wakefully, your vision becomes razor sharp and your field of view appears to widen, all effects akin to the very first alerts of a mushroom trip, but not nearly as anxious. Music takes on a spacial quality, your body feels good, your mind is anxiety free and at ease, it really does feel like a weak MDMA roll when you properly appreciate it. There definitely is a reverse tolerance, you need to use it for a while to "learn" it's effects, but then you can't ignore them once you do, if that makes any sense. I recommend using it orally when trying to learn it, smoking might be too quick and intense and potentially unpleasant. A good experiment, though, with a couple of drinks in you and nothing to do at home, smoke a small bowl of kanna (without weed or anything else in it) and see how it alters the drunk into a more giddy, light, bright, shiny buzz. Snorting works but I don't find it to work as well or be as pleasant, for obvious reasons. Smoking kanna while on mushrooms literally does actually feel like full-on MDMA.

Sorry I don't mean to de-rail. Kanna just rocks

 

[88dood88]

Hmmm... might have to stock up on some then. Not sure where to get some quality kanna, but I suppose I'll have to figure that out on my own. Since I saw you mention that you felt like phenibut was similar to alcohol, minus the euphoria; I wonder if something like a small dose of kratom might mix well together? I have some phenibut coming in later this week so I'll give it a try at some point and will see how it is. Currently on some red vein thai and feeling great

 

[liftedgift]

I've used Primaforce and it was good. I've been using Lift mode for the last 4-5 months though. I used to eat around 5-11 grams a day as I didn't have a scale and would just take scoops all day long and felt awesome until it just made me extremely tired and I lost the glow it gave me. Those days are done, as I've been tapering for awhile now down to 1.8 g a day.

Now I weigh it out, drop it on a piece of paper and bend the paper to drop on my tongue, then I just drink something. Although liftmode has HCL phenibut which is the usual kind and FAA phenibut(free amino acid) that you can supposedly just put in your mouth and let it dissolve. It's suppose to kick in much faster and not mess up your tongue like the normal kind does.

 

[liftedgift]

Seattle_Stranger - Would you reccomend kanna extract(5x)? Or just regular Fermented Powder? I never noticed the kratom vendor I use offers it and you make it sound very nice, I'll have to try it out sometime.

 

[88dood88]

I've used Primaforce and it was good. I've been using Lift mode for the last 4-5 months though. I used to eat around 5-11 grams a day as I didn't have a scale and would just take scoops all day long and felt awesome until it just made me extremely tired and I lost the glow it gave me. Those days are done, as I've been tapering for awhile now down to 1.8 g a day.

Now I weigh it out, drop it on a piece of paper and bend the paper to drop on my tongue, then I just drink something. Although liftmode has HCL phenibut which is the usual kind and FAA phenibut(free amino acid) that you can supposedly just put in your mouth and let it dissolve. It's suppose to kick in much faster and not mess up your tongue like the normal kind does.

Did you experience any rebound effects while tapering? That seems like an awful lot at 5 - 11 grams a day. I thought the normal dose ranged from 1-3g?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Best way for me to take it was to capsule it up and wash the caps down with some water. I would try a .5 - 1g dose to start with to see how it effects you, and go from there. It takes a couple of hours to come up on and it lasts awhile.I took about 2g before bed when I first got it and woke up to use the bathroom and was tipsy and off balance, so I fell back asleep for another 3 hours or so and woke back up feeling very alert and awake. I personally never used it for a high, only for sleep on the weekends, but I always felt like it acted similar to a benzo and when I woke up, it was in a more positive mood. One time I did take it in the morning, as I had a large social event happening around noon, and phenibut made it so easy and anxiety-free, whereas normally I have lots and lots of anticipatory anxiety and such.

Be careful about taking it often though, because I've read that the withdrawal/rebound effects are very shitty. Keep it to 2 or 3 days consecutive use max, don't want to fuck with this stuff, it can be potent. Theres plenty of withdrawal and rebound stories you can search for on google.

lol, dude.. I dont think you read my original post. I've taken Phenibut for years and years.. I was just asking about this particular brand/powder. this is the only thing NEW to me; Phenibut I've been playing w/ for years and years.

and yes, you are right.. physical addiction picks up quick w/ this one. even on the bottle it tells you to only run 3 days and then follow it w/ 2-3 days off, etc. well, I've always run a week or so, and then follow it by 3 days and then run that week again, etc. always worked out fine for me.

 

[88dood88]

lol, dude.. I dont think you read my original post. I've taken Phenibut for years and years.. I was just asking about this particular brand/powder. this is the only thing NEW to me; Phenibut I've been playing w/ for years and years.

and yes, you are right.. physical addiction picks up quick w/ this one. even on the bottle it tells you to only run 3 days and then follow it w/ 2-3 days off, etc. well, I've always run a week or so, and then follow it by 3 days and then run that week again, etc. always worked out fine for me.

Oh wow, I'm a dumbass lol, currently on some kratom and temazepam so Im probably more buzzed than I realize. Yeah I admit I just skimmed your post and thought you were asking about the effects . Primeforce is the brand I got when I tried it the first time, it worked great for me.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'd like to know more about phenibut too. Some folks, like yourself, rave about it. I've read of it being compared to heroin (hard to believe) but still suggests that folks are feeling a strongly pleasant effect. I've never had GHB but understand it is supposed to be in the same ballpark, and if it's a "cleaner alcohol" effect like I've read GHB is, I'm interested. The only times I've ever had phenibut, I hated the feeling. It was like being drunk but without euphoria, just annoying, borderline anxious, the exact opposite of "clean drunk", it was more like "dirty sober"! Poisoned is a good descriptor as to how I felt. I also find it lasts for 12+ hours, just progressively gets more and more sedating, I eventually pass out and then wake up the next day un-refreshed, drained, still feeling poisoned, and pissed off that I feel this way because I tried to catch a buzz

How do you dose daily!? I got the Liftmode stuff, got great reviews...

I've been looking for some variety in my daily menu. I use kratom nearly every day and I pepper in kava, kanna and edible cannabis sometimes mixed with, sometimes in place of kratom. I'm moving towards using things exclusively, as in Monday I have kratom, Tuesday kava, Wednesday kanna, etc.. I've experimented with phenethylamine powder (with and without hordenine) on and off and I don't get consistent or long enough lasting results from that. I've gone through tubs of -racetams, not once noticing any effect. I'd love to see if I can get positive results from phenibut!

like Heroin.. no! like GHB.. sure! that's what originally turned me on to Phenibut and how I found it/it found me.

I still use heroin to this day; so I am sure it is NOTHING like heroin; although, I do use the two together (not because I want to, or read its a good combo, but because I have to, unfortunately due to my dope habit).

back in 01 I was doing GHB daily; loved it. never thought I would love. well, once I left NY and the NY "club scene" and moved back to Boston; I lost my GHB connects/scene. since then I've done G but always been a hassle; once I found this stuff I was happy again; plus, this is "legal", so why not!?

daily dose ranges. when I first started I would always use 1-2G in the AM and then 1-2G in the PM (first at 7AM and 2nd at 1PM). your tolerance rises quickly and within a week you are using 2-4G both AM and PM; but still feeling the same. this is why its KEY to stop using OFTEN; your tolerance will jump quick.

def. take a look at it. also, check the brand I just posted; that's the best out there now from what I've read. I also did about 2-3G's earlier today and was feeling good. I will dose twice tomorrow and give an update.

Phenibut is always fun! give it a shot!

 

[Jabberwocky]

I've used Primaforce and it was good. I've been using Lift mode for the last 4-5 months though. I used to eat around 5-11 grams a day as I didn't have a scale and would just take scoops all day long and felt awesome until it just made me extremely tired and I lost the glow it gave me. Those days are done, as I've been tapering for awhile now down to 1.8 g a day.

Now I weigh it out, drop it on a piece of paper and bend the paper to drop on my tongue, then I just drink something. Although liftmode has HCL phenibut which is the usual kind and FAA phenibut(free amino acid) that you can supposedly just put in your mouth and let it dissolve. It's suppose to kick in much faster and not mess up your tongue like the normal kind does.

you dont use the "scooper" inside to measure our your caps? each cap is .5 and just use enough to get your daily dosage in there. thing is, w/ this new powder, the scoop is SO SMALL that I am having a hard time believing that each scoop is .5 G's. then again, who knows.. I could easily be wrong.

when I dosed today I just took a scoop each time and anytime there was extra hanging over the top of the small scooper I let it go and just put it in my drink. I ended up taking around 2G's+ I'd say; felt great.

only BAD thing about Phenibut is that it takes 2-3 hours to FEEL IT!

 

[liftedgift]

Yeah the W/D effects from phenibut are horrible. I even experienced when I was taking 2-3 grams a day for awhile. It's the amount of time you are taking it for that really matters not so much the amount.

But I read people going from 7-8gs down to 2gs in a couple days so I said alright I'll try it out. As I said though I didn't have a scale at the time so I'm not sure how much I was taking daily> I know it was more than 5gs though because when I finally got a scale I weighed out 5 grams a day,taken at night, and could feel the WD. Phenibut withdrawal is indistinguishable because of these electric shocks my brain gets when it misses a dose, never experienced anything like it and I know exactly what it means.

However, I've been going down .1g-.3g a day and then I will maybe stop at a certain amount for a few days to get used to it and it's been relatively painless although I don't get much positive effects really it just keeps me from having WDs.

The weirdest thing that happened to me while tapering was when I was going from 5g down to 4, I did this in 3 days and felt fine. Got home from work on the third night and was on the computer when all of a sudden it felt like my head got knocked back and my vision literally went sideways and shook. My heart immediately started beating fast and I felt like I was falling but I was seated in a chair. It scared me so bad I stood up and had a mini panic attack thinking I was about to have a seizure or something so for some reason I started eating a bunch of stuff thinking I needed nutrients or something. My vision came back but I felt extremely dizzy and had these weird bursts of anxiety/heart racing the rest of the night. I ate a lot of kava and kratom that night and finally fell asleep. I didn't cave in for more phenibut and honestly at the time wasn't even sure it was from the WD as I've never experienced something like that besides the head/brain jolt it gave me. I continued the taper the next day, and that has never happened since as I take it slow.

Long post I know but it scared the shit out of me.

 

[liftedgift]

you dont use the "scooper" inside to measure our your caps? each cap is .5 and just use enough to get your daily dosage in there. thing is, w/ this new powder, the scoop is SO SMALL that I am having a hard time believing that each scoop is .5 G's. then again, who knows.. I could easily be wrong.

when I dosed today I just took a scoop each time and anytime there was extra hanging over the top of the small scooper I let it go and just put it in my drink. I ended up taking around 2G's+ I'd say; felt great.

only BAD thing about Phenibut is that it takes 2-3 hours to FEEL IT!

Haha yeah I used the scooper, I would dose throughout the day and never kept track on how many scoops I was taking. It was a good bit though. And the 2-3 hours wait does suck, you should try the FAA phenibut from liftmode as I said supposedly you can let it dissolve on your tongue and it kicks in much quicker.

 

[88dood88]

Haha yeah I used the scooper, I would dose throughout the day and never kept track on how many scoops I was taking. It was a good bit though. And the 2-3 hours wait does suck, you should try the FAA phenibut from liftmode as I said supposedly you can let it dissolve on your tongue and it kicks in much quicker.

If it tastes anything like the non-faa phenibut, I don't see how anybody could hold it under their tongue without gagging it back up. I tried parachuting a 1.5g dose one time, and it broke through the issue and it was fucking awful tasting and practically threw it up from my throat. The 2-3 hour come up is the main reason why I took it for sleep though. Take it 9pm, fall asleep at midnight, wake up feeling great!

 

[liftedgift]

If it tastes anything like the non-faa phenibut, I don't see how anybody could hold it under their tongue without gagging it back up. I tried parachuting a 1.5g dose one time, and it broke through the issue and it was fucking awful tasting and practically threw it up from my throat. The 2-3 hour come up is the main reason why I took it for sleep though. Take it 9pm, fall asleep at midnight, wake up feeling great!

Yeah phenibut taste exactly like stomach bile to me, not good. And I loved the day after effects I would get. Very calm and relaxed.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I just throw my 2-3G scoop in a small SHOT-LIKE cup of fruit punch and down it. always easier to just take it like a shot.

 

[RDP89]

Wash that shit down with some water or gatorade or somethin. I wanna get some of this.....unfortunately i'm broke. I do have kratom coming in the mail(someday) but now i' also out of weed...aaaggghh lol. Anyway yeah i would just wash the powder down with some water........or you could gel cap it but thats kind of a pain.

 

[Jabberwocky]

dude, you gotta be BROKE AS FCK not to afford this stuff; we are talking $25 for a GOOD SIZE.. will last a month+.

but yea, this morning I downed 3G's w/ my 1G of dope (always need dope to get through day - ADDICTED!).

feeling great; way better than usual. it's not the dope.. but the Phenibut which is making me WANT TO WORK and WANT TO DO THINGS!

always loved this stuff. good brand here; new to powder but def. took some hefty scoops; probably did more than 3G's for all I know. anytime I take a scoop I just scoop it; I dont top it off w/ the scooper, but whatever is even over/above the top of the scoop I put in the drink as well. I TRY TO TAKE IT AS A SHOT, rather than just a full drink. taste like shit that way. a quick shot never hurts.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Seattle_Stranger - Would you reccomend kanna extract(5x)? Or just regular Fermented Powder? I never noticed the kratom vendor I use offers it and you make it sound very nice, I'll have to try it out sometime.

Definitely just regular course-grind powder. Grind it up yourself at home to ensure the best/freshest product. Extracts are almost always a waste of money.