Misc Phenibut + alcohol overdose – permanent damage?

[rikardo999]

Hi, my first post on this forum and I am seeking advice because I am starting to worry. I am going to try to explain my situation as simplified as possible. I am a guy, 180 cm, 88 kgs.

Here goes:

3 months ago: I discover phenibut and thought that I had found a miracle substance. Started taking it with alcohol twice a week when going out to clubs. I took around 3-5 grams / night with 35-50 cl of vodka.

This was kind of the honeymoon period and I experience no negative side effects.

2 months ago: One night, things got out of hand and I consumed around ~10 grams of phenibut with around 45 cl of vodka with redbull. I know I was fucking stupid so no one needs to remind me of this. Needless to say, the night ended abruptly when I started puking constantly and just felt super high energy and super fucked up. I could not concentrate for one second on anything. Eventually I fall asleep, and the day after I vomit several times and feel high for about 3 days or so. It was ridiculous.

Ever since then I am having light panic attacks in most social situations every single day and I constantly feel nauseous. And I really mean nauseous 24/7. I am now starting to worry that I have gotten some permanent brain damage from this disastrous and careless overdose. These panic attacks are really starting to annoy me because they restrict the shit out of my everyday living.

Also, my alcohol tolerance has flown through the roof. For instance, when I was out this Saturday drinking, I think I had around 45 cl of vodka and still felt super clear headed (coke sober kind of).

My question is, does anybody know anything about permanent damage from phenibut mixed with alcohol?

Anybody had a similar experience? Are the panic attacks going to stop anytime soon? It’s been over 2 months now since the incident.

What I am thinking is that my receptors are still recovering and that’s why I feel this way. Or could it be that it’s all in my head and I am suffering from some kind of stress disorder just because, as soon as I get in a situation where I have to interact with people, I start thinking “don’t puke all over the place, don’t puke all over the place” and then it just gets worse.

TLDR: Took a boatload of phenibut with alcohol. Having panic attacks and feels nauseous every day since then. What happened?

 

[liftedgift]

Even at twice a week, phenibut can cause WD at those doseages. Now, I didn't experience panic attacks when I first started, it took me days of daily use to get there. So 2 months and this is still going on?

Have you completely stopped phenibut and alcohol for 2 months? You might have been in slight withdrawal and if you continued to drink even just a few times, it could have reset the WD a bit since alcohol and phenibut act on some of the same receptors.

I could never take phenibut with alcohol, first of all it would enhance the effects tenfold. And alcohol makes me so foggy headed and depressed, unlike phenibut which gives me such a nice glow.

 

[adrenalinerushes]

i've been wanting to try phenibut but have really been torn because of the awful things i have heard about it here.

 

[liftedgift]

Phenibut is amazing when used sparingly. It makes me feel like when I was a kid, going outside on a nice summer day, sun hitting you and you just know its going to be a good day.

I've been on both sides, just read my post history i was eating 5-8 gs a day for 6 months and i got off with tapering and then jumping on gabapentin. You can't take phenibut regularly. I would suggest no more than once every two weeks to be safe.

 

[Erikmen]

The panic attacks may be associated to your online concern and probably because of some minor addiction acquired during these days.
I would stay very healthy, drink lots of water and see how you are in two days from now.
Now, if you are really worried, nausea can be a symptom of head related aches. I don´t think it´s your case but it wouldn´t hurt to go see a doctor.

 

[Americanfloosie]

I had some panic problems after a three week binder on vodka and whatever else would get me shit canned. It was terrible for a very long time. I think it was just my body telling me to chill the fuck out with the partying. Can you see a doctor and maybe get some anxiety meds? Maybe a non benzo ( Or a benzo if you trust yourself to not overdue it?)
I doubt you've done brain damage I'm sure it's just wires getting crossed from the overload of chemicals. Drink lots of water and try to work out. I wish you luck my friend, I've been there and it's not fun.

 

[Wetrippymayne]

It could be that you had such a traumatic experience that you have developed social anxiety from it but I think this is unlikely.. Downers shouldnt create too much cognitive damage, if anything id worry about the beating your liver is experiencing from that kind of abuse. The only situation where these drugs could give you anxiety are if the experience was truly traumatic or if you are experiencing withdrawl. You said you have been drinking since then but you didnt mention phenibut. Have you used phenibut since then? Have you noticed that when you drink or take phenibut it helps your anxiety? If so, this may be a sign of dependency. My advice would be to taper off from phenibut, alcohol, and other downers and take it easy for a while. If your anxiety goes away that means that it was caused by withdrawl, if it doesnt go away after a month or two it means that it was caused by trauma. If this is the case I would see a therapist or at least talk it over with a friend and try to get to the root of the problem. Find out why the experience has made you anxious in social situations and work out ways to move past it. This would be a much healthier solution than self medicating or taking prescription drugs like benzos to numb the pain. Psychedelic drugs could help you accept your traumatic experience and move forward, although if you arent familiar with psychedelic drugs then this could potentially make the problem worse so I cant recommend it 100%. Best of luck to you.

 

[yteek]

Even at twice a week, phenibut can cause WD at those doseages. Now, I didn't experience panic attacks when I first started, it took me days of daily use to get there. So 2 months and this is still going on?

Have you completely stopped phenibut and alcohol for 2 months? You might have been in slight withdrawal and if you continued to drink even just a few times, it could have reset the WD a bit since alcohol and phenibut act on some of the same receptors.

I could never take phenibut with alcohol, first of all it would enhance the effects tenfold. And alcohol makes me so foggy headed and depressed, unlike phenibut which gives me such a nice glow.

I've seen people insist that you can develop WD's with just a day or two of use, call it what you want, my experience aside, whatever it is, isn't really withdrawals. Side effects, after effects, whatever it is, a day or two of use, resulting in followed discomfort is not WDs. Your body doesn't become accustomed with such a short period to find attachment with a physical dependence of any significance, as to how these exaggerated claims have came about is beyond me. Note, I'm not saying phenibut is all good, I just as much as anyone know of the dangers, but withdrawal is the wrong word to be thrown around.

 

[Erikmen]

Not withdraw. I really believe the over thinking is not helping. Plus with that much, I agree, it could be all discomfort.
To beat the fear of having something odd, like brain damage, since constant nausea in another scenario could suggest that, go visit a doctor.

 

[liftedgift]

I've seen people insist that you can develop WD's with just a day or two of use, call it what you want, my experience aside, whatever it is, isn't really withdrawals. Side effects, after effects, whatever it is, a day or two of use, resulting in followed discomfort is not WDs. Your body doesn't become accustomed with such a short period to find attachment with a physical dependence of any significance, as to how these exaggerated claims have came about is beyond me. Note, I'm not saying phenibut is all good, I just as much as anyone know of the dangers, but withdrawal is the wrong word to be thrown around.

You misread, I'm not saying one or two times or even a week straight of phenibut use will cause withdrawal. But if you are taking 5+g a day 2 times a week, that can build up. Your body doesn't have time to fully 'heal' before you just shoved more phenibut down the burner. You don't have to be a daily user to develop negative symptoms that closely relate to phenibut withdrawal.

 

[yteek]

You misread, I'm not saying one or two times or even a week straight of phenibut use will cause withdrawal. But if you are taking 5+g a day 2 times a week, that can build up. Your body doesn't have time to fully 'heal' before you just shoved more phenibut down the burner. You don't have to be a daily user to develop negative symptoms that closely relate to phenibut withdrawal.

No, I didn't misread....

Negative side effects and withdrawals on the behalf of discontinuation and physical dependence are two different things.

You don't become physically dependent with two days of use, regardless of what amount you're taking. I myself have had encountered negative side effects with just a day or two of use, but, that isn't withdrawals.

It like inferring a weekend of heavy drinking resulting in a problematic week to follow is withdrawal, no, it isn't.

 

[liftedgift]

You don't become physically dependent with two days of use

Again, it's not just two days of use. It's two days a week for an extended period of time with high doses.

Guy takes phenibut twice EACH week for a month, feels fine. Okay, so let's say this guy continues this schedule and later down the road he only sleeps a couple hours the 5 nights a week he isn't taking phenibut. But maybe by the 4th night he starts to feel better, but then doses phenibut again resetting the cycle. How is that not being physically dependent? If it affects your sleep and eating patterns, is that not physically dependent?

Maybe the guy can take 10gs twice a week and be fine, I'm pointing out that with phenibut and IME this has happened.

And in OP's case I was kind of thinking about if alcohol could be 'resetting' the withdrawal in some people as well. Since alcohol and phenibut hit some of the same receptors, it doesn't seem too far fetched. So maybe somebody takes phenibut once a week and drinks alcohol every other day thinking there would be no problems. But since the same receptors are being hit, withdrawal could creep up. Did this guy experience withdrawal from using phenibut just once a week? Maybe, but he was also ingesting another chemical. There's always multiple factors at play.

 

[yteek]

It still isn't withdrawal, even with the use of just twice a week.

I still think it is the same as if you drink twice a week and did so for months, maybe years, even if issue arises, it isn't withdrawal. You can use alcohol in a similar fashion, rely on it, utilize it, take it out the equation, issue may present itself. You can maybe attempt to call it withdrawal on a technicality, but, I think that is just a cop out. You can look at a person who uses a few beers to calm their nerves, aid in sleep, for a couple days out the week, they stop, and then of course unsettled nerves and difficulty sleeping may ensue.

I just disagree, call it what you want, doesn't discount the issues at hand, I genuinely think withdrawal isn't exactly the phenomenon at hand.