Phenethylamine and deprenyl - experienced - Floaty Euphoria but Harsh Crash

[Percussion_is_Free]

Background: I'm on lexapro for generalized anxiety disorder. Lex was beneficial, made everyday interaction less 'fraught with significance' and casual interaction more comprehensible and enjoyable to me. But it made me a little lackadaisical too, so I added in 5mg/day deprenyl to boost dopamine and try to counter that. *WARNING: Combining SSRIs with MAOIs is dangerous. Deprenyl in doses below 10mg a day is said to inhibit only MAO-B. Other MAOIs would be more problematic. This dose has not caused me any problems, but I am young and healthy. Caution is advised.


I'd read that deprenyl and phenethylamine has a synergistic effect. Without a doubt it does. My first attempt, I took 500mgs of phenethylamine in the morning, expecting some kind of dopaminergic type moodlift. But at T+45, I suddenly realized my body was feeling very, very soft. I've used the term 'phenethylamine softness' in mescaline and MDMA TRs, this was on that level. Mood became very expressive, driving me to chat to people and do some creative writing.

But an hour later, just about on the dot, you get that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach. Ouch. Then, 2-3 hours of nervous, shy, withdrawn, and irritable feelings. Nicotine doesn't fix this, as it does with coffee jitters and other brands of anxiety.

Another con is that the face can get splotchy and red, as I discovered at a family dinner the other night. It was VERY OBVIOUS, to the point where the entire group was touching my face and wondering what I was allergic to. This side effect only develped on my second of two 250mg doses, which I foolishly took sublingually. Don't do that.

250 milligrams is a more dopaminergic-type high, slight body-softness (the best feature imo), lesser crash, and lesser duration. During the time it took me to write this, I've gone up and come about halfway down. Very roller-coaster like.

I've heard that L-Theanine is a good addition, its said to modulate how the brain deals with phenethylamine and/or its byproducts. I've tried drinking green tea to combat the crash, but felt no significant relief.

There is so little info on this combo. Is it neurotoxic? Can the crash be avoided with L-theanine? Any way to combat the red face? This has the sort of social disinhibition one would want to take for a job interview or a speech, but looking like you need an epi-pen is one hell of a catch-22.

Experiences? Theories? Advice?

 

[jackie jones]

Over to Advanced Drug Discussion

 

[atara]

http://taimapedia.org/Phenethylamine (EDIT: There used to be a nice guide at that URL. It is no longer there after a server mixup) -- the guys at 420chan probably have more experience than anyone on this particular whatchamahoo. I've tried phenethylamine + caffeine at 1500/250, 1750/250, and 2250/250 dosage levels -- the last one caused moderate hyperthermia and felt like an overdose, the others were intensely enjoyable, 20-30 minute experiences. Other people have reported combinations with selegeline, where the active dose is closer to 100 mg PEA (instead of the 1500 required with caffeine).

When doing phenethylamine + caffeine, I never felt a crash, which is odd, but it may just have been youth, since I was 18.

 

[ebola?]

You dosed way to high on the phenethylamine.

ebola

 

[ebola?]

I'll go ahead and toot my own horn:

selegiline combination faq

 

[Phener]

"floaty euphoria"

extremely suitable wording.

Definately wouldn't describe it as amphetamine/speedy type which one might have guessed given the resemblance, instead quite different and in my opinion fairly rubbish.

 

[contractor]

Background: started using caffeine, nicotine, ephedrine in HS as a study aid. this was effective up until college where i moved on too occasional adhd meds such as adderal, ritalin, focalin. Tolerance to adderal reached about 30 mg/day when work needed to be done.
having much social anxiety i never thought to go to the psychiatrist to get checked for adhd so i found an alternative PEA and Deprenyl. after some reading and experimentin with PEA alone i found 3 OO caps to produce a 10 min at best rush. looking to extend the duration i stoped using PEA for 1 week while dosing Deprenyl 10mg/day after a week i dropped this too 5mg/day. now came the PEA i estimated that the mao-b inhibitor would potentiate PEA several fold.

first dose 1/4 of a OO cap: produced a low dose amphetamine buz id say equivalent to 5mg of adderal with my tolerance at about 15mg of adderal for a good buz (2-3 hour). the Pea lasted about an 1.5 Hours then i felt a need to redose so i did.

1/2 OO cap this brought me to a slight rush initially and then was very smooth focused come down about the same duration with lingering aftereffects to the 2.5Hour mark

This led to continued use for over a month where i would dose almost 4 times a day and at my worst 12 times. It is all a dosage game to maximize duration and minimize bad side effects.

Side effects experienced were at the worst when i dosed with 1.5 OO caps at once while on Deprenyl 5 mg/day was a very rapid heart rate where u can hear your heart beat in your chest and be very aware of your own heart beat. erratic rythem. light headedness, red flushing of chest and skin, seemed that any cuts i had would tend to bleeed more during this experience, need to lie down flat just to control heart rate.

over the month my tolerance did increase to where a 3/4 full OO cap was a normal dose for me but this is with an extreme amount of redosing.

I would discourage this combo unless the user is well experienced with stimulants and dosing , and has self control.

when I hit the right dose it felt similar to a 90 mg dose of adderal for me. which makes it far too enticing for me to continue but get the dose wrong or redose two quickly and be prepared to endure a pounding heart that will make and work you planned on doing to the side for atleast 2 hours.

since this experience i have been diagnosed with Adult add and am on vyvanse 70mg/day which tends to not do much for me.

This experience as far as damage it has doen has been pretty minimal i lostt 5 pounds 150 to 145 slight muscle mass decrease due to malnutrition im sure. other than that i feel like there might have been some cross tolerance developed to amphetamines. and i learned that on Deprenyl adderal atleast for me seems less effective with a lower high but also a much lower crash.