Misc Phenazepam dangers

[Pythagoras]

This is the mother of Pythagoras writing using his login as I could not find any other way of posting.
Some months ago I found my son lying dead in his kitchen. There is considerable evidence that he did not intend to die. Those who followed his posts will know he was a highly intelligent man who was very well informed about drugs.
If he could get it wrong, so could you. He had taken phenazepam and ketamine to cope with some recent tragedies in his life. The import of phenazepam has since been banned in the UK as it has been implicated in a number of deaths, usually in combination with other drugs and in long-term drug users.
At the inquest it emerged that even the top lab in the country could not say what the lethal dose is. My son found out the hard way - no doubt many posters will tell of how they took it and lived to tell the tale. The point being that those who don't, don't come back to post their experience.
If there is anyone at all that you care about in this world, remember that the risks you take don't only have consequences for you. His death has devastated family and friends.

 

[Dedbeet]

Really sorry to hear about this. Wondering if this post should be moved to the BL shrine (well, I'm sure a moderator will decide). U are right about the dangerous of this and other substances, and the risks involved. Hope u and your family (as well as Pythagoras's friends) find peace.

 

[MrNaptown]

Sorry 4 your loss

 

[itsok]

sorry to hear about what happened to ur son.

yea i think phenazepam is pretty strong stuff. the one time i took it the next morning, after my usual methadone dose, i got into a huge car wreck. i always blamed the methadone but im sure the phenazepam didnt help.

it is good to warn people of the dangers.

 

[Ohayou]

I was going to order some phenzepam but I now I'm not so sure, I never hear anything good about it. Sorry to hear this.

 

[MikeRWK]

This is why im not a fan of research chemicals, we dont know enough about them.Sorry for your loss.

 

[cj]

Sorry for your loss. If its not to painful could you relay to us what the toxicology tests determined to be the cause of death? It would be almost unheard of to die from phenazepam alone.

 

[Albion]

Thank you for taking the time to write this and potentially altering the fates of other undeserving souls. Any drug-related death is a tragedy, but overdoses/fatal combinations are particularly torturous...I can only hope you and your family are coping as best as reasonably possible.

I want to keep this thread where it is. Of course it's 'not Other Drugs material' but Pythagoras has a fitting tribute in The Shrine, and if his mother wishes to post a warning in Other Drugs for others to read, then I'll absolutely respect her intentions and keep her thread where she puts it.

 

[madog11]

This is why im not a fan of research chemicals, we dont know enough about them.Sorry for your loss.

I feel exactly the same. I really am sorry for you at this awful time.

 

[John15243]

I'm very, very sorry for your loss. Did the hospital send an exact tox report? Phenazepam is very dangerous, but to my knowledge ODing on benzos alone is nearly impossible.if it weren't for the ketamine aaspect, he'd probably still be aalive :/

 

[Ohayou]

Right, I can't imagine phenazepam causing death by itself unless an obscene amount were taken (maybe 250mg+?) which wouldn't be hard considering it is very potent at even just 1-5mg, but it probably would when too much is taken with a powerful drug like Ketamine.

I know this is not something you probably would want to discuss, but do you know what in combination with the phenazepam caused his death?

A tox report would really help and could help other people who plan on using this RC benzo from doing something dangerous and losing their lives. However, I'm not sure some things that he could have possibly been taking (strange RC analogues like MXE, etc,) would even show up in a toxicology report.

 

[Albion]

Right, I can't imagine phenazepam causing death by itself unless an obscene amount were taken (maybe 250mg+?) which wouldn't be hard considering it is very potent at even just 1-5mg, but it probably would when too much is taken with a powerful drug like Ketamine.

I know this is not something you probably would want to discuss, but do you know what in combination with the phenazepam caused his death?

A tox report would really help and could help other people who plan on using this RC benzo from doing something dangerous and losing their lives. However, I'm not sure some things that he could have possibly been taking (strange RC analogues like MXE, etc,) would even show up in a toxicology report.

She clearly stated in the explanation that he had taken ketamine with the phenazepam.

Maybe I'm naive, but this is the first time I've heard of such an incident with ketamine and a benzo. Ketamine itself at moderately high doses is, amongst other things, a stimulant. In fact wikipedia even claims that for patients under ketamine anesthetic who start hallucinating, benzos are administered to bring them to their senses. Ketamine can also potentiate sedatives such as phenazepam.

If the way they interact is as unstable as that, then no wonder the lab guys couldn't figure out what exactly happened.

More people really need to treat ketamine with more caution. And especially methoxetamine. MXE is the twisted king of unpredictable drug interactions.


Drugs can leave us extremely vulnerable physically, but I think the greatest vulnerability lies in the psychological belief in your own invincibility, which is a total fallacy. When you first get into drugs, you feel anything but invincible, but as time goes on, more drugs are tried, more often, and as the confidence rises and you get more accustomed, it's so fucking easy to just throw caution to the wind and start combining drugs left right and center, especially if nothing seriously bad ever seems to happen.

I got complacent after a little while and began combining RCs for the hell of it. But eventually, combining MXE with 5-APB led to fuck knows what, but that was the one time in my life I genuinely thought I was going to die. I can only thank the drugs for beginning to ease off before I collapsed from exhaustion and passed out (I couldn't lie on my back because my tongue kept falling down my mouth and effecting my breathing (In hindsight, I may have had a Partial (focal) seizure.) Flashing strokes of numbness down my head, face, hands and arm on the left, violent muscle contractions. I was hallucinating in a way no person should...Vision dancing with floaters, translucent blobs, wiggling zigzags. I was extremely agitated, if I stopped moving I felt I would black out. I remember my eyes darting over my lamp and I just writhed in absolute terror as everything turned deep violet, the lamplight erupted and as my eyes darted. All I could see was purple and yellow light tracers...argh. Heartbeat was blurred. I ended up repeatedly standing up, sitting down, rubbing hair, standing up, sitting down, rubbing hair etc just to try and get some control of my body. I'm not sure how long the really horrible seizure lasted for, but I was conscious throughout. The entire ordeal took a good 4 hours before I started to relax again, and the lingering visual weirdness lasted the whole day after.

Never found out why this happened. I've never had anything approaching a seizure before or since.


Anyway...Complacently combining drugs, and especially RCs - Not worth it at all.

 

[Ohayou]

Actually, It wasn't so clear to me but then again English is my 2nd language. Are we sure he took both at the same time? It says he was taking both in response to life tragedies? I just want to know what caused this to happen.