I originally posted this in another forum, but wanted to share it here too and discuss it, if anyone is interested.
> Why do we need to agree or disagree on anything? We can just talk,
> discuss.
Just a final note on the above, fwiw -- I've encountered very few people who are interested in open discussion, and not interested in agreement/disagreement -- being OK with whatever the other thinks, being genuinely interested in sharing thoughts, rather than "aligning" thoughts, "being right".
It is very rare, IME. Social interaction for most people (particularly on Net
forums) is for making stances, and defending them.
No one seems to see the utter emptiness and repetitiveness of self/other stance games, because what is driving it, thrives on it.
It is "felt" as meaningful, important, crucial. If it doesn't happen, 'self'
doesn't feel like itself. It feels empty, meaningless.
Quite the paradox. To avoid feel empty, meaningless and repetitive, repeatedly take empty and meaningless stances.
Self feels, and acts on how it feels, and produces thoughts based on how it feels. Unfortunately, what it feels is backwards, so it acts backwardly (to reality's detriment) and thinks confusedly.
"Step 1" of transcending self for someone, might be to simply *stop* the moment one feels a reaction to something someone has said. And don't reply.
It is highly likely that the offense an other offered, was actually the defense the self threw up --
i.e. that the other did not offer any offense at all. Rather, it was 'taken',
interpreted in based on an inside-out perspective. As long as others are
interpreted as self's opposite, they can do nothing right but to treat self like God and be happy with the flames they receive in return.
Honesty is called for -- integrity. Something more important than childish
feelings that supercede everything because they *feel bad*. Then the situation can actually be examined and something can actually change.
"Other" is not self's opposite.
"Other" is a reversed view called "self", in which other is other because it is "self" seen in a reversed mirror.
It's true. These thoughts are the reader's own, thunk one at a time as they are read, and reversed to reflect something coming in from outside, rather than seen purely through a pair of eyes looking out at the words.
Nothing ever came in from outside. There are not others. All that is needed is to stop creating them in one's own reversed image.
To transcend duality, simply don't create it.
Peace...
> Why do we need to agree or disagree on anything? We can just talk,
> discuss.
Just a final note on the above, fwiw -- I've encountered very few people who are interested in open discussion, and not interested in agreement/disagreement -- being OK with whatever the other thinks, being genuinely interested in sharing thoughts, rather than "aligning" thoughts, "being right".
It is very rare, IME. Social interaction for most people (particularly on Net
forums) is for making stances, and defending them.
No one seems to see the utter emptiness and repetitiveness of self/other stance games, because what is driving it, thrives on it.
It is "felt" as meaningful, important, crucial. If it doesn't happen, 'self'
doesn't feel like itself. It feels empty, meaningless.
Quite the paradox. To avoid feel empty, meaningless and repetitive, repeatedly take empty and meaningless stances.
Self feels, and acts on how it feels, and produces thoughts based on how it feels. Unfortunately, what it feels is backwards, so it acts backwardly (to reality's detriment) and thinks confusedly.
"Step 1" of transcending self for someone, might be to simply *stop* the moment one feels a reaction to something someone has said. And don't reply.
It is highly likely that the offense an other offered, was actually the defense the self threw up --
i.e. that the other did not offer any offense at all. Rather, it was 'taken',
interpreted in based on an inside-out perspective. As long as others are
interpreted as self's opposite, they can do nothing right but to treat self like God and be happy with the flames they receive in return.
Honesty is called for -- integrity. Something more important than childish
feelings that supercede everything because they *feel bad*. Then the situation can actually be examined and something can actually change.
"Other" is not self's opposite.
"Other" is a reversed view called "self", in which other is other because it is "self" seen in a reversed mirror.
It's true. These thoughts are the reader's own, thunk one at a time as they are read, and reversed to reflect something coming in from outside, rather than seen purely through a pair of eyes looking out at the words.
Nothing ever came in from outside. There are not others. All that is needed is to stop creating them in one's own reversed image.
To transcend duality, simply don't create it.
Peace...
