Alcohol Perscribed Benzo Schedule to Get off Daily Alc Usage

[blight12]

So was Perscribed Diazepam 10mg mornings and evenings schedule to Get off Daily Booze usage. Mostly for personal improvement purposes and because, while i dont get booze withdrawals, only a hangover for a day, I get very frustrated and depressed if I dont have something to sooth me after a long day, and help with some lingering anxiety issues, especially as the evenings come around, I get bored and I worry about getting to sleep which has always been a problem.

When i did a half bottle vodka a day for anxiety issues years back for about a year or more i also never got withdrawals. I hope this means im immune to benzo withdrawals. That would be great

The Diazempam schedule is 10mg mornings and night which tapers down for 45 days. I currently take the 20mg evenings only because thats when i struggle, dont need the morning dose and 10mg is way to low a dose for me even though i explained my benzo tolerance to the doc. Also taking Zolpidem at night with the benzo for sleep (Nice combo BTW).

Wanted to know:

1. Since I have anxiety and get paranoid about things, I wanted to know if 45 days on the benzo might cause a dependency, even if its tampering, its still daily use. I dont need that issue for sure. How long should i take them to be safe from dependency?

Right now im doing the benzos for 3 days and Kratom for 3 days which works really well. The kratom works far better as a replacement in my opinion, but thats most likely due to the euphoric properties of which diazepam has none (for me at least at my dose)

2. Is this a common treatment for alc addiction? Would xanax work better or even be an option they would consider?
I wanted to ask for this intead as it works better for me then valium.

3. Any other drug replacement based options that are better for Booze? He wouldnt give me any Larica or other related drugs even though I have neck pain due to neuropathic pain due to the booze (not sure why but its gone now since i stopped daily drinking for about a week.

(FYI Zolpidem/Ambien works extremely well for this type of pain as well as muscle pain and issues, way better then other benzos which didnt help at all)
My reseach never indicated why this was the case beyond the muscle relaxant properties, but then why dont benzos work?

4. Why do the benzos make me somewhat stimulated mentally (in a good way). I would call it more motivation. When I use i dont sleep, I end up working all night or doing other shit that needs doing. Its the same for me with booze (to a lesser degree, but still dont desire sleeping and never pass out) and kratom as well, i could sleep but just wouldnt as other activities seem better. Is this normal? I even take Ambien in the day sometimes for this purpose (intially tried it for neck pain), it doesnt make me sleep, instead makes me super productive and works better as a benzo for me then other benzos by far (but I have a tolerance, so beyond the wierd visual and blacklout level, just get a very pleasant benzo effect, but with more euphoria).

Basically benzos/gaba drugs do for me what amps seem to do for others when it comes to getting things done. I become a ton smarter on benzos and it shows in productivity, thinking, speed of getting things done, accuracy and quality of work etc, as not only "feeling like im smarter". It functions better for me as a nootropic then all the other actual popular nootropics. Could this indicate some kind of general GABA difficieny or issue? Its tempting to use them daily for productivity but perhaps there are better GABA options that are safer? (Got Phenibut already, works well but also dependacy issues).

Amps however for me make my stupid, slow, distracted and completely in-interested in doing anything contructive. This is high dose meth though.

FYI being of the daily booze is amazing. No more hangover anxiety which triggers my anxiety badly and I feel significantly "smarter", less depressed, way more motivated and far more productive. And I only drank like 6-8 beers a day, not even a lot. Alcohol sucks. The benzos dont seem to cause any negative effects the next day, or the Kratom.

I am include to take up low dose Kratom again (now that my insane tolerance has fixed itself), perhaps 3 days on, a day off afterwards, after the benzo schedule is done, to deal with the daily frustrations, anxiety and cravings for other substances. The stimulant effects it seems to give me (instead of sedative) would be useful and it deals with any anxiety, general malaise and deletes any cravings for anything else. Will just need to dose at a time appropriate to allow sleep at a reasonable time. When it comes down I get sedated and sleep fine, but not while its active.

 

[smashpast]

Hi,
i am in the 30s, since 3 years dry alcoholist. When I wanted to get off Alc (Wodka in my case) I either went to hospital or did a "48h/half of it" schedule. This is the steepest you can do in my eyes. It depends on age, too. The older you are, the more you should attend a doctor! Benzos, watch for halflife and do a corresponding schedule.

When you are dry (dry means: you are that relaxed, that you can read a book without distracting thoughts, e.g.) try 'Olivier Ameisen - the end of my addiction'. I am happy dry with baclofen (see Wikipedia GABAergic). Baclofen is a muscle relaxant, used 'off label' against alcohol cravings (makes me like indifferent to alcohol)

Cheers,
sma

EDIT: baclofen is best for 'social/anxiety' drinkers. Have a look at it.. Ameisen is a interesting person, too. That's valueable 12 EUR spent.

EDIT2: Dont mess it up with Benzos. Two weeks max! The withdrawal is very hard and long. In my eyes harder than H (did both withdrawals, saw many people suffer in detox)

 

[MagickalKat777]

You're dead wrong if you think that because you don't withdraw from alcohol, you won't withdraw from benzos. I had the same stupid idea and I ended up with an addiction to both benzos and alcohol. Kicked the alcohol back on 9/17 and I started my Valium taper from 20mg on the same day. Its now 2/22 and I'm only down to 7.5mg of Valium and not feeling great. Don't be stupid with GABA agonists... Its by FAR the most miserable experience I've ever had, its so debilitating that I'm now on disability for it.

To answer your questions.

1. Yes. Two-three weeks is the most that I would say before you will develop a dependency because you are dependent on alcohol for anxiety currently. You'll inevitably trade one for the other and start the vicious cycle of trying to stay balanced.

2. Due to its long half life, Valium is commonly used in alcohol withdrawal treatment. Tranxene is what is typically used in an inpatient "rapid detox" setting.

3. Stick with the GABA-A agonists if you are going to stay the course with using them for anxiety. Lyrica and gabapentin have shown some sort of GABA-B mechanism that isn't entirely understood and baclofen, phenibut, and GHB are GABA-B agonists - pretty much everyone will tell you that the withdrawal from GABA-B agonists is worse than GABA-A and if you have both going (benzos/alcohol + baclofen/phenibut/GHB) then you're going to be in for a hell of a ride trying to get off of them.

4. I don't remember what it was like when benzos did that but it doesn't last. Since 2007 or so when my benzos went to daily use, my cognitive functioning has probably dropped 20% with the largest deficits being in my memory, spelling, and mathematical abilities. With that said, I was abusing alcohol and empathogens as well but memory loss seems to be commonly reported among non-drug users as well.

The best thing you can do for yourself is get off of the GABA agonists with the help of a doctor and work on a holistic path - proper diet, exercise, etc. Stop now before you do a lot more damage.

 

[blight12]

Great thanks for the info. Yeah the benzo dependacy was more of a joke. But I definitely do not want a benzo dependacy, after you read all the stories.

Yeah will definitely get off the benzos in that timeframe. I dont really enjoy them, besides anxiety relief. Daily anxiety is managable now so I wont continue with the benzos after the alc schedule, basically i was just drinking more as a rec, boredom situation and to improve my day, not because its really necessary. And I have zolpidem for the sleep which is the only other issue, but that works fine, ill also change over from those to OTC ones most likely.

Then just do the Kratom for those occasional shit days when I need to feel better, but not daily.

It might be that my mental capacities have increased because of the lack of alcohol hangover and not the benzos im taking each day, but there is definitely something GABA related that has improved my faculties immensly during this process.

I am also doing a tone of health related and other lifestyle stuff now as well, so that might be helping.

Already came off all the Paxil and Seroquel last year as its no longer necessary. Mostly trying to clean up any daily drug use for health and other reasons.

 

[bukweat]

Be careful not to pick up a benzodiazepine addiction in the attempt at quitting booze. No more than two weeks max. I have detoxed and used librium.
Switched over to gabapentin for two weeks and was done.

 

[smashpast]

Just detoxing won't solve your probs. Think about eight (.. they'll tell you sixteen, when there) weeks therapy, if your life is frightening you too much when sober. You are trying to get off devil with the help of Belzebub.

EDIT: if you want to trade one for the other, choose something 'reasonable' (take it with a grain of salt): http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...to-mxe-o-O?p=12166796&viewfull=1#post12166796

 

[blight12]

The psychological aspects of not drinking will of course be a different story, but 45 days for the withdrawals should be fine. Plus Im not stopping drinking completely, im trying to move over to no daily drug use of any kind first (like alc) but will still drink on social occasions (once a week mostly). I know that risky but in my case it might be easier then other addicts as i have no interest or desire for alcohol or the effects, rather its a form of self medication to make my day got a bit easier, but its not necessary. I have other solutions planned to assist with mood etc moving forward.

Because of anxety issues and breaking my brain on MDMA 8 years back, some days can be tough, but mostly thats healed recently and any ligering tiggers for drinking are more frustration/boerdom and these triggers are not debilitating and can be managed easily without medication if I actually try. I just need to detox without withdrawals as i have a business to run daily and need to be functional but would definitely not continue benzos after the treatment. I am very anti any form of daily drug use and have even suffered 8 years of anxiety in the past without getting a benzo script once because of what i know about benzo addiction. I did paxil which helped in my case but stopped that already last year.

I already feel amazing now, better then i expected after no drinking daily. Even many anxiety issues i thought was inherent and permanent have gone away I think once the withdrawals are over and the vicious cycle of hangover/anxiety/drink more to resolve is over, ill be all sorted along with my other health related and lifestyle changes.

Of course ill have my occasional rec drug usage here and there (prob kratom and meth on the rare occasion but i need to stop the meth next once i kill smoking which is even harder and its getting bad at 3 boxes a day) but those rec drugs never exceed more the once a week at max, alc is the biggest issue right now due to daily usage and impact on quality of life.