Permitting discussion of RC vendors...

[ihatepipes]

I am not trying to piss any of the BDD mods off so I offer my apologies in advance and request that this thread be binned if it is a problem.

I was just wondering why discussion regarding vendors of RC's is not permitted in the interest of harm reduction. I have never used a RC and I would not use one simply because I knew of a legitimate vendor (I just want to say that I am not looking down my nose at people who want to take RC's its just not my cup of tea). However, there are people who are going to use RC's no matter what. In light of this wouldn't it be in the best interest of harm reduction to alow discussion of RC vendors so people can make an educated decision regarding who they obtain their substances from. At the very least wouldn't it be sensible to direct those persons to a reputable forum that does allow sourcing.

In regard to street drugs word gets around the drug taking population in any given neighborhood about who sells good drugs and who sells shitty drugs. Bluelight as a community does not allow this dialogue in any form. However, it may be prudent to do so with legal research chemicals.

I am just interested in what anybody thinks about this including moderators.

I want to say that I am happy to have the information bluelight offers at my fingertips and again that this post is not meant to piss anyone off.

 

[rincewindrocks]

it goes against sourcing rules. besides, those of us with legit sources dont want to see them shut down

 

[ihatepipes]

it goes against sourcing rules. besides, those of us with legit sources dont want to see them shut down

Well, that makes alot of sense but at least people could be pointed in the right direction.

 

[LivingOnValium]

Well, that makes alot of sense but at least people could be pointed in the right direction.

There are a few websites running a "vendor reliabilty check" service. You can type in the url of the vendor's website in the same fashion you would use the search function of google and the website gives you then other users' reports about the their experiences with the vendor in question.

 

[rickolasnice]

What if the vendor discussion kept strictly to legal stuff (ie.. no site selling anything illegal in their country) ? Then they wouldnt be shut down ?

 

[LivingOnValium]

What if the vendor discussion kept strictly to legal stuff (ie.. no site selling anything illegal in their country) ? Then they wouldnt be shut down ?

Umm.. The idea is kind of balancing between how much attention drawing is good for business and not too much to be getting officials like police/customs interested in the products the vendor is supplying. Becoming too popular is committing suicide from the vendor's point of view.

 

[ihatepipes]

I agree that legitimate sources should not be fully exposed because I am certain that it will bring unwanted scrutiny from LEO, and maybe the research a person does to find a legitimate vendor reduces harm because they are forced to sift through information regarding the RC.

Now I am certainly not the person to do this, but what about a FAQ of some sort that will help someone who will potentially attempt to order RC's ascertain whether they are dealing with a legitimate source.

Everything I have seen regarding the price of these RC's lead me to believe that they are not really cheap. Therefore people who are going to use these substances should be advised to mail a sample and a $120 to ecstasydata.org to confirm that they have what they are supposed to have. I know that if I were to try a RC I would definitely have the powder/crystals/whatever tested before I ingest anything.

 

[Dug]

I've put in many hours searching for sources, but I've only ever came up with one (potentially) good source, and they don't really have shit.


I'd love to enter the world of the 2c's and other RCs...

 

[Bardeaux]

What if the vendor discussion kept strictly to legal stuff (ie.. no site selling anything illegal in their country) ? Then they wouldnt be shut down ?

That would probably work if this wasnt an international community. Plus just because something isn't illegal doesnt make it legal.

An extremely popular legal herb vendor was just raided this year due to too much unwanted attention.

Its just not a good idea.

 

[ihatepipes]

There are a few websites running a "vendor reliabilty check" service. You can type in the url of the vendor's website in the same fashion you would use the search function of google and the website gives you then other users' reports about the their experiences with the vendor in question.

This is the kind of information which should be compiled so people can be educated about the decisions they are making.

 

[xoqqiy axlotao3al]

here is a simple math equation.

this is an open, public site that only exists because it does not tell people where or how to get drugs or RCs of any sort.

as soon as it starts to, it starts on a very fast slide to oblivion. the site wouldn't last weeks. and there are histories of other message board sites to prove it.

i will repeat: bluelight only exists because it does not provide people with any information on where or how to get substances of any sort.

 

[nopipesdfw]

Cool name, but believe me, it's for a reason.

Also, all of those vendor review sites are filled with so much spam, no need to fill this place with a million (many ill intentioned) vendors.

This is the kind of information which should be compiled so people can be educated about the decisions they are making.

Honestly, advertising ANY source of a drug on this site will never be accepted here. If people want to get into something highly dangerous and not that well known, they can research their way there.

We can't help on your sources considering the incredible social and legal stigma based around drugs in general, only you can.

 

[shoolameet]

I do agree with ihatepipes just because of that whole benzo fury mix up incident. On the other hand, because law enforcement can watch this forum you would be wading into murky waters and could potentially get bluelight and RC vendors shut down.

Tough call.

 

[ihatepipes]

Cool name, but believe me, it's for a reason.

Also, all of those vendor review sites are filled with so much spam, no need to fill this place with a million (many ill intentioned) vendors.



Honestly, advertising ANY source of a drug on this site will never be accepted here. If people want to get into something highly dangerous and not that well known, they can research their way there.

We can't help on your sources considering the incredible social and legal stigma based around drugs in general, only you can.

As I said I have no interest in consuming any research chemicals myself and I see your point as valid and that sourcing should not be allowed. I guess that the only thing to do as I said above is to advise people to have their substances tested by ecstasydata.org before consumption.

 

[TokinDerrick]

posting RC sources using the excuse its for harm reduction is the same thing is posting sources for hard drugs for harm reduction.

I'm all for free speech, but using "harm reduction" as your excuse just doesn't work. the same thing can be said about where to find the purest heroin or something.

 

[ihatepipes]

posting RC sources using the excuse its for harm reduction is the same thing is posting sources for hard drugs for harm reduction.

I'm all for free speech, but using "harm reduction" as your excuse just doesn't work. the same thing can be said about where to find the purest heroin or something.

People have already given me plenty of excellent reasons why RC sources should not be identified and I agree with them. The question is then what should be done to reduce the harm associated with RC's as this is a frequent topic on these forums. Not trying to come off as a dick but did you read the whole thread before you posted?

 

[fryingsquirrel]

I know some vendors have google sponsored lnks, it isn't like they're trying to keep a low profle. But others are. That aside it would quickly turn into a forum of vendors callng each other scammers and hyping their own sites.

 

[shoolameet]

posting RC sources using the excuse its for harm reduction is the same thing is posting sources for hard drugs for harm reduction.

I'm all for free speech, but using "harm reduction" as your excuse just doesn't work. the same thing can be said about where to find the purest heroin or something.

I get what you are saying, and while I somewhat agree with parts of it, I don't think the harm reduction aspect was meant to be used as an "excuse," I think it is a legitimate point and the sole reason why the discussion sould be allowed (if you see my above post I referenced the benzo fury mix up and maybe some of the injuries/deaths could have been prevented if more harm reduction sites put the word out and specified the vendor.)

Although, ihatepipes is welcome to correct me on that if I am wrong.