People and relationships are like trading stocks

[laVoix]

Cloudy day in here. A message arrives from a friend who I texted earlier to meet for lunch. He says he hadn't received it cuz of the battery problem. Clever excuse, since I actually saw him in a restaurant with a smallish and not so cuteish girl chatting along. Probably ditched my invite in order to meet a girl. Nothing bad about it, I'm not angry at all. Even if I was, I'd be shooting myself in the foot since I can choose between getting angry with him and losing one potential lunch acquaintance, or staying cool and having a potential lunch mate on another cloudy day. Easy choice.

However some choices in life are all but easy. People are commodities, bought and sold daily like stocks, which are, btw, unless you were under a rock for the past 2 years, roaring like young happy bulls ready to fuck. For me fucking is important. That's my weakness since it drags down my productivity (how about using this one in a job interview?). Chilling around the campus or sitting in a library, I'd like to fuck all of them. And some of them even literally. I dream upon body after body, gracious females in knee boots, young asian girl in leather pants, funny hippie with converse. Those are all potential buying opportunities passing everyday.
But then, why I'm reluctant to buy? Because I'm too timid to rise my voice in the pit and say "I WANT...BUY, BUY..."? Maybe I could benefit from a dating coach? I beg to differ.

I'm not buying because I'm already invested. In a dubious thing called monogamy. Value of people fluctuates like in the stock market, one goes to university, lands an internship, gets an offer, buys nice car and house and the value goes up, and up...It's a trend. And the trend is your friend. Girls come, lifestyle is superb, bed spot nothes go from A to AA to AAA. And then the guy gets hit by a bus, his insurance won't pay cuz he was drunk after party, he loses money on healthcare, lack of funding strains the relationships, cruel corporation dismisses him and the personal value crashes...People delete him from Facebook and won't even poke him anymore and he dies miserable, slowly, in pain. Then there are those who workout, get nice body and a girl, marry first nice rule and then they get fat and lazy, the girl ditches them, they workout again and put up a nice borrowed car and a fancy tshirt, the value goes up, get another girl, revert to a routine, the value goes down...a sideways pattern.

If someone asked me what bothers me the most is if you buy a top and the person's value goes down or declines. I feel I'm personally living through that. And I am a stubborn young happy bull. I keep keeping the stock hoping it will somehow turn around, that it will continue to meet my standards and demands.
What I covered in my previous posts, if at least there was someone to shout BUY, BUY after my girl and speculate up the price. It's more about perceived value than a true value after all, think about that one! So I beg you, go after my girl, stare at her desirably, tell how beautiful and valuable she is, how irresistible she is even without any makeup or fancy high heels. Because people tend to forget and fall in a rut.
And I'm desperate keeping something that (in my eyes) loses value, but hardly I'll sell. We rarely sell, just keep holding and hoping the stock will turn around. After all we are such young happy bulls.

 

[axl blaze]

hey there. I like this post, it's very well written and brings up some good critical points about relationships - but I don't necessarily agree with most of it

it appears as if you seem to be preoccupied with what's on the surface of relationships, and what is material. I can only bring up an argument from my own experiences. and that is argument is that most women aren't as obsessed with the material as you are, in fact, quite the opposite. I have been in relationships when I've had a good job, car, and "nice shirt" (as you put it), but I have also been in relationships where I didn't have a pot to piss in and was a less-than-favorable type of character. I think instead of material prowess most women are interested in passion and loyalty - if you can bring that then you are doing something well

you are stubborn and young, the world is your oyster. don't try to be roadblocked by detours that your mind is placing on women. and anyways, keep on keeping on that stock (as you say) - the better you make yourself is only going to make you a better lover and and a person

here's to a "bull market" in your future

 

[Ksa]

What you describe is typical male hyper-sexuality and women hypo-sexuality. This is no discovery, it was mentioned by Allah 1,400 years ago in Sura An-Nisa 4, Ayah 3:

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."

Men are more hyper-sexual then women, and also in a population, there are slightly more women then men, so this is why the Qur'an allows for several wives, if you can justice them all. If anybody argues with you that you degrade women, or that you seek multiple women, or that you treat women as objects in stock market, bring them the Qur'an and quote that verse. 1.5 Billion people follow the Qur'an, ask him how many people follow him or her. Maybe his parents, a few friends.

I am on your side, all men are on your side and Allah is on your side. I challenge anyone to prove the OP wrong, will be an overkill debate.

 

[axl blaze]

you know what in my experiences, you are wrong

I have a nice healthy male sex drive, but I have been in relationships to where the woman's sex drive is even stronger than my own

my last gf of five years was an absolute sexual pterodactyl. during those five years I've never worked as hard. it's like damn woman! sometimes a dude just wants to read the latest issue of Spider-Man, not tear that ass up for the fourth time today!

 

[pofacedhoe]

yeah- more of the same people are objects/possessions. what a surprise.8)

but what are you actually asking? this thread is not clear in the sense of what you want to gain from posting a new flavour of what has previously been misogynistic claptrap.

people are not objects, they dont pay dividends.

 

[laVoix]

yeah- more of the same people are objects/possessions. what a surprise.8)

but what are you actually asking? this thread is not clear in the sense of what you want to gain from posting a new flavour of what has previously been misogynistic claptrap.

people are not objects, they dont pay dividends.

I just wondered if other people thought of all this in a similar manner, or (as some said) the concept is quite known. Because if we accept that people are valued and traded on the market through all aspects of life, and if we define some valuation rules and apply market efficiency principles, my thesis is that we should be able to overcome taboos, cynicism and misconceptions we face in everyday life.
For instance we won't hear "You should like me even if I am fat" or "You should not look at other girls since you're in a relationship!" or "I will dress what I like and not what you deem attractive" or "Beauty is only skin deep". If a person is conscious of valuation process and how some mis-behaviors affect the perception of his/her value, he or her is less likely to blame the other side for a potentially disastrous consequences or (what seems as) hectic actions.
I've rather got an impression that people today don't actively think in these terms and tend to blame the other side for problems in relationships.

People do pay dividends: they provide their time, services, love, companionship, they can enhance or hinder what other perceive your value is. More valuable they are, higher the dividends. Top model on your hand gains you privileged access to most of the NY clubs, which would be rather costly and difficult to pull out as a single. To the same extent a rich guy (usually) pays higher absolute dividends to the girl than a poor guy could afford. So it's a two way street. Generally it should be less emotions involved and more focus on substantial, measurable qualities.

 

[Mariposa]

What is it, OP, that makes you feel that commodifying people is OK?

How would you feel if someone were to commodify you in the context of a relationship?

I wouldn't want to run into you on a trading floor. You'd be too easy of an opponent to defeat, no challenge whatsoever. Go back to the books, little boy.

 

[Ksa]

What is it, OP, that makes you feel that commodifying people is OK?

How would you feel if someone were to commodify you in the context of a relationship?

I wouldn't want to run into you on a trading floor. You'd be too easy of an opponent to defeat, no challenge whatsoever. Go back to the books, little boy.

They are many submissive men who enjoy being objectified by domina women, they become their foot stool, their chair, table, ashtray etc. and they enjoy it! Best time of their life!

Next question.

 

[Foreigner]

^ There are also many men and women who value equal partnerships and compassionate intimacy. I know plenty of straight and gay men who can't respect partners who want to be less than them, or be taken care of by them. Please give up on trying to codify the way relationships work based on the fucking Qu'ran. Most modern Muslims, like modern Christians, don't follow that book to a tee anymore. You're going to have to provide more evidence for your claims other than what some scripture says.

If you treat people like material commodities who are there to augment your life in some kind of one-way exchange, then don't be upset when other people never rise to your expectations. You can't expect them to treat you as a whole human being when you're objectifying them. You get back what you put out.

 

[Ksa]

^ There are also many men and women who value equal partnerships and compassionate intimacy. Please give up on trying to codify the way relationships work based on the fucking Qu'ran. Most modern Muslims, like modern Christians, don't follow that book to a tee anymore.

If you treat people like material commodities who are there to augment your life in some kind of one-way exchange, then don't be upset when other people never rise to your expectations. You can't expect them to treat you as a whole human being when you're objectifying them. You get back what you put out.

Brother, do you know the definition of a Muslim? A Muslim, is a person who submits his will to God. If you do not follow God's teaching, you don't submit your will to God and you cannot be a Muslim. I think you confuse Muslim and Arab. There's no such thing as modern Muslim. There's practicing Muslims and non-practicing Muslims. Non-practicing Muslims:

- Believe in one God
- Believe that prophet Muhammed (pbuh) is the last and final messenger of Allah
- But they do not practice, like pray or fast.

Even non-practicing Muslims can enter Janna because Allah may forgive any sin but the sin of shirk, that is, associating other partners with God. If you practice, prey, fast, don't have Pork or alcohol, chances increase to enter Janna.

 

[alasdairm]

If you treat people like material commodities who are there to augment your life in some kind of one-way exchange, then don't be upset when other people never rise to your expectations. You can't expect them to treat you as a whole human being when you're objectifying them. You get back what you put out.

pretty much was i was about to write.

alasdair

 

[pofacedhoe]

there are people who value humans as commodities and they are called pimps and slave owners

a normal relationship doesn't overlap that much with a pimp/slavemaster

so the whole analogy falls apart OP...

 

[Foreigner]

Brother, do you know the definition of a Muslim? A Muslim, is a person who submits his will to God. If you do not follow God's teaching, you don't submit your will to God and you cannot be a Muslim. I think you confuse Muslim and Arab. There's no such thing as modern Muslim. There's practicing Muslims and non-practicing Muslims. Non-practicing Muslims:

- Believe in one God
- Believe that prophet Muhammed (pbuh) is the last and final messenger of Allah
- But they do not practice, like pray or fast.

Even non-practicing Muslims can enter Janna because Allah may forgive any sin but the sin of shirk, that is, associating other partners with God. If you practice, prey, fast, don't have Pork or alcohol, chances increase to enter Janna.

Every religion says if you don't believe in their supreme being then you're damned. So I guess we're all screwed.

I've met Muslims who would disagree with your assessment, but I'm not a Muslim and thus I don't care. What the Qu'ran has to say about masculinity and femininity according to such old world superstitions and power struggles has absolutely zero relevance to my existence, especially when their interpretations are as sexist as yours just was.

We don't need to bring religion into this discussion to know that most human beings on this planet ultimately enjoy being treated with compassion, decency, and respect, especially in relationships. Anyone who's into domination (either as the dom or sub) either has a kinky side or just serious boundary issues. In the case of the OP it's just self-centredness.

 

[missmeyet?]

there are people who value humans as commodities and they are called pimps and slave owners

a normal relationship doesn't overlap that much with a pimp/slavemaster

so the whole analogy falls apart OP...

It is just the sociopath wannabe back again attempting to rile who ever he can.....(I am sure that is giving the OP too much credit and that he will feel pride in any comment all reasonable people might make regarding his mentality).

 

[Noodle]

some people are afraid to move past their projections of self

I agree that objectifying others is shallow and weak. Really you become a slave to your own narcissism.


Narcissists are pathetic, because they are always alone and dependent on others to perform simple ego functions to feel "right"

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

I just wondered if other people thought of all this in a similar manner, or (as some said) the concept is quite known. Because if we accept that people are valued and traded on the market through all aspects of life, and if we define some valuation rules and apply market efficiency principles, my thesis is that we should be able to overcome taboos, cynicism and misconceptions we face in everyday life.
For instance we won't hear "You should like me even if I am fat" or "You should not look at other girls since you're in a relationship!" or "I will dress what I like and not what you deem attractive" or "Beauty is only skin deep". If a person is conscious of valuation process and how some mis-behaviors affect the perception of his/her value, he or her is less likely to blame the other side for a potentially disastrous consequences or (what seems as) hectic actions.
I've rather got an impression that people today don't actively think in these terms and tend to blame the other side for problems in relationships.

People do pay dividends: they provide their time, services, love, companionship, they can enhance or hinder what other perceive your value is. More valuable they are, higher the dividends. Top model on your hand gains you privileged access to most of the NY clubs, which would be rather costly and difficult to pull out as a single. To the same extent a rich guy (usually) pays higher absolute dividends to the girl than a poor guy could afford. So it's a two way street. Generally it should be less emotions involved and more focus on substantial, measurable qualities.

I think you're looking at it backwards. You're looking at it as a business man trying to relate what you see with relationships to the marketplace. Your analogy to trading only works in certain respects. Value of stocks and partners both do increase and decrease, and partners do pay dividends of sorts, you're right, but you have to stretch to make the deeper comparisons. Partners are not traded on trading floors as if they were slaves. Investing in a partner requires you to invest emotionally as well as financially. There are many values to partners that stocks do not have... You have sex with partners... You can get a partner pregnant and start a family. Your comparison works in certain, limited respects, but fails in other regards. To try to make relationships sound as hollow and cold as the marketplace based on an imperfect comparison is fallacious.

 

[blue1995]

Next.

 

[Ksa]

some people are afraid to move past their projections of self

I agree that objectifying others is shallow and weak. Really you become a slave to your own narcissism.


Narcissists are pathetic, because they are always alone and dependent on others to perform simple ego functions to feel "right"

Brother do you believe in idol worship? But Parasti, idol worship, worshiping things or people? It's not a trap question, just requires yes or no answer :D

 

[Noodle]

I idolize no one. I do cherish great ideas and even better conversation.

...hope that makes some sense?

Why you always tryin' to get it twisted?

 

[Ksa]

I idolize no one. I do cherish great ideas and even better conversation.

...hope that makes some sense?

Why you always tryin' to get it twisted?

No? Why are you narcissistic? You don't worship a God, person or thing, all you're left with is yourself.