Penalties for possesion of LSD

[belarki]

^ Thanks Mr B, your google-fu is strong today *bows in reverence* :D Haha at least I got the manufacturer right.

 

[titstypedthis]

ok, still i question its effectiveness.

if anything, the smell would be a degradation product of lsd, like other drugs that are truly odorless but always have trace amounts of other more volatile analogues or whatever.

so if you meet one of these acid dogs i hope you got it sealed and on ice.

 

[Sameria]

^I remember when p_d posted that link too. From memory I think there was less than a handful of dogs trained around the world.

People need to completely get this "no smell" out of their head. Just because we are incapable of smelling LSD does NOT mean dogs cannot.

 

[titstypedthis]

^ exactly why i think its not very successful..
just because they can smell it doesnt mean they'll be able to pick it up in a crowd of thousands of people..

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ I doubt many, if any dogs, are trained to smell it here in Australia. And I bet that if you have a couple of tabs on you, they aren't going to pick up on it. It makes sense to me that the dogs that would be trained in it are present at busts or maybe even airports and are useful only for large amounts.

^ Thanks Mr B, your google-fu is strong today *bows in reverence* Haha at least I got the manufacturer right.

That's cool, I buy all my drug scented incense from Sigma-Aldrich.

 

[ooh.shiny]

Dogs can smell anything. No instrument has been made to replicate a dog's nose. Dogs just aren't trained to smell for LSD. The sniffer dogs would pick it up, along with the billions of other scents they're smelling, but they aren't trained to react to it. Dog training is time intensive and expensive, and why catch a couple of people when you can catch so many more carrying something like cocaine or heroin? Similar to mushrooms and other psychedelics... I'm sure dogs rarely catch people with shrooms (unless they are also carrying things the dogs are trained to sniff)... and even humans can smell those a mile away.

 

[poledriver]

In NSW (taken from - http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/dmata1985256/sch1.html)

 

[poledriver]

So under 4 tabs is personal use? What is it if you had say between 5 and 14 dosage units?

 

[futura2012]

LSD is one of the hardest chemicals out there to manufacture. Even mature, saturated chemistry majors with honours/masters and a PhD in Organic Chemistry some what have difficulty manufacturing it.

I agree its not easy but I think the difficulty of LSD manufacture has lead to almost "myth" status.

A lot of the hassle depends on your sources. If you have a ready supply of clean ergotamine or lysergamides (usually medicines) then an awful lot of the hassle is removed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergamides

Another alternative is using Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. Some of the internet recipes I have seen listed look relatively simple. I dunno how accurate these recipes are or what kind of quality the acid would be? but definitely not PHD stuff.

If you dont have these sources I think this is one of the biggest obstacles. You have to get interested first in quite a high level of botany. The Ergot Fungus is renouned for not cooperating in culture conditions. If you culture ergot it will not produce the needed alkaloids and as a result you actually have to resort to properly harvesting your own alkaloids. Growing rye seems to be one of the preferred methods of producing quality LSD.

To cultivate Ergot you have to spray the rye flowers with spores to "infect" it with ergot. As you can imagine you effectively have to start an entire rye and ergot farm before you even begin any of the necessary chemistry. In addition if you were caught with a Rye / Ergot plantation the heat would be far more interested in you than say a cannabis grower. I dunno what the Aussie Heat would do if they found this kind of activity but I suspect they would be all over it like flies to a rather ginormous cow dung.

Handling ergot also needs a lot of care and caution.
Ergotism is a very nasty disease
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism

Once the alkaloids are released from the fungus they become super sensitive to light, heat, air and wrong chemicals. You have to treat them with utmost care or you can very quickly find yourself with bunk. The processes have to be performed using dark red light and under vacuum.

With the extraction techniques in the mix a mountain of solvents is required.

For the Hydrolysis of the alkaloids often anhydrous hydrazine is used. This is the stuff that was found written down on a scrap of paper in the back of a Range Rover that got the operation Julie Chemist Kemp Busted.

Also ordering Diethylamine is a heat cow dung.

The techniques are tricky for sure and do require some sophisticated kit but if you are motivated enough I think it would be possible.

In my opinion LSD manufacture is more a precursor and motivation issue than a no can do unless you have a major in organic chemistry.

Im no expert on the topic but would value feedback from members.

Sorry I cant provide links but thats where my info comes from
Its not gospel and a little dated but the books are an interesting read

Ergot Infested Rye

Ergotism from handling Ergot

Ergot Life Cycle

Ergot Germination

Ergot Alkaloid Bond Line Diagrams - All the Alkaloids contain the Lysergic Acid Structure
The process of cleaving off the Amides (additional atom groups) is called Hydrolysis.
In the case of Lysergic Acid this hydrolysis is usually achieved using Anhydrous Hydrazine

Ordering Ergotamine, Hydrazine and Diethylamine unfortunately attract unwanted HEAT.

It does have an odor, and Sigma-Aldrich makes a version of it for training dogs.

Pseudo Narcotic Scent LSD Formulation

That my friend is an awesome link. Like other members I always assumed LSD was tasteless and odourless but sure like someone said what might be odourless to us clearly isnt for a dog.

I just wondered maybe the narco scent is not the LSD but maybe the alkaloid scent something like that. Very very interesting link.

For some reason I think phase_dancer posted it up.

Where is PD? I love reading this chaps posts a fountain of clandestine knowledge



On the main topic what would be the situation if you got caught with say a 10mL bottle of LSD vs say a bag filled with 20,000 blotters?

Do the Aussie heat consider the individual blotter doses worse or are you prosecuted on simply dosage regardless of dose format?

Just out of interest is it considered that most LSD is home grown in Aus? Or is it smuggled from California Holland etc?

 

[Portillo]

Once we get LSD users in prison, our streets will be safe again.

 

[poledriver]

Where is PD? I love reading this chaps posts a fountain of clandestine knowledge

I havent seen a post from him here in along time I dont think

That pic of the hands is pretty yucky..I guess that's gangrene?

 

[poledriver]

This happened in Byron many years ago (2003 0r '04 maybe I think?)

FEDERAL police arrested a 52-year-old Byron Bay artist yesterday after seizing a massive haul of hallucinogenic drugs worth $45 millionin in raids on three homes.

The bust - the largest batch of LSD to have been found in Australia - is the second record drug seizure by the Australian Federal Police in less than a month after it impounded a load of amphetamines in The Philippines last month, destined for the Gold Coast.

The AFP hailed the operation as a major success yesterday. "This was a two-month probe conducted by intelligence teams here in Brisbane," AFP Brisbane office manager Paul Jevtovich said.

Mr Jevtovich refused to reveal the source of the LSD, citing the need to protect the ongoing investigation, which involves 30 police officers.

During searches of the Byron Bay and Ocean Shores houses, police seized 19 small bottles of liquid LSD, 1kg of cannabis, 20g of ecstasy, a small amount of cash and computer equipment.

Mr Jevtovich said the confiscated LSD would have made up to 4 million doses.

About 212,000 tabs of paper printed with red hearts that were to be impregnated with the drug also had been confiscated.

"The issue is not so much its value," Mr Jevtovich said.

"LSD is a dangerous drug and federal agents have been able to stop a large amount of it from being distributed on the street."

The Byron Bay man has been charged with possession of a commercial amount of LSD reasonably suspected of being imported, and possession of prohibited drugs.

He will appear in Byron Bay Court on April 23.

Police yesterday also charged 14 people on 53 charges as the culmination of an eight-month drug operation targeting amphetamines trafficking on the Gold Coast and northern NSW.

Just before dawn, police raided homes at Murwillumbah and Currumbin Waters, seizing two cannabis crops and knuckledusters, a flick-knife and a telescopic baton.

After the raids 14 people were charged, including a 39-year-old Murwillumbah man who was charged with trafficking and supplying a dangerous drug.

Late last month, the AFP and Queensland drug squad co-operated in the arrest of five Gold Coast residents for allegedly planning to import Chinese-made pseudoephedrine with a potential street value of $325 million.

The plan was foiled when the drugs were seized on a wharf in Cebu city in the southern Philippines, shortly before they were due to be flown to a remote north Queensland airstrip thence by road to the Gold Coast.

The Crime and Misconduct Commission is investigating a Gold Coast police officer over allegations he supplied information to the drug smugglers

This one might interest you as well, i dunno...

http://www.byronnews.com.au/story/2010/02/04/men-charged-after-major-drug-bust/

 

[poledriver]

what p_d posted about that LSD bust -

190mls, if pure and concentrated, is a LOT of LSD.

If there are 20 x 50ug trips (low dose I know) in 1 milligram, that makes 20,000 per gram.

As 1ml of a saturated solution contains roughly 1 gram, that makes:

190 x 20,000 or a massive 3,800,000 trips.

Enough to kill an elephant

If it makes the acid lovers feel any better, I'd say there'd be more acid around. From reports, the stuff seems to be made in larger batches, and I'd be very surprised if this was intercepted at, or close to it's origin. The manufacturing charge would surely apply to making up doses, rather than the chemical itself, as an LSD lab in Aus would be big news worldwide.

 

[futura2012]

Once we get LSD users in prison, our streets will be safe again.

Why do you say this?

I havent seen a post from him here in along time I dont think

That pic of the hands is pretty yucky..I guess that's gangrene?

Shame I pmed him and did get a reply but i think he is just a bit busy. Very very informative posts. I often stumble on his posts when I am researching something.

Yes thats Gangrene / Ergotism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism

I hope that picture is okay to have here. If I get another pulled I risk getting chucked off Aussie DD. Fingers crossed. I think its okay. I did check that post carefully and edited a few bits to be sure

This one might interest you as well, i dunno...

Great interest thanks PoleDriver. I might put that lab article on the MDMA Superlabs thread in ED.

 

[Portillo]

"LSD is a dangerous drug and federal agents have been able to stop a large amount of it from being distributed on the street."

Good to see the police keeping us safe.

 

[what drugs????////]

Bored on twitter the other day i remember reading this in a post from @OMGFACTS - tracked it down from their website, link below.
http://www.omg-facts.com/Other/An-ounce-of-LSD-is-enough-to-get-300-000/53358

"One ounce of LSD contains enough doses for 300,000 adults.
Two suitcases of the stuff would be enough to dose the entire population of the USA"

Just to be clear - I would never just blindly accept ANYTHING ive read on that site as 100% undisputed fact, without checking the original sources etc..
But, its certainly not the most reputable looinkg website.
Just interested to know if you guys reckon that could be true? or even plausible?
Ive had mushies a handful of times - but have never even seen so much as a single tab of LSD before, so i have absoloutly no experince on that subject. But fuck me - At least in terms of weight compairson - if only 2x suitcases full of it could get an entire countrys population high, that would surely make it one of the most powerful/potent drugs on the planet! Crazy shit.

 

[futura2012]

"One ounce of LSD contains enough doses for 300,000 adults.
Two suitcases of the stuff would be enough to dose the entire population of the USA"

This is the amazing thing about LSD. This comment is very true. The Operation Julie Factory in Wales in UK was supplying large area of the world with production runs of a few kilos a week.

Heres the maths.

One Ounce = 0.0283495 kG

1 LSD dose = 100uG
1mG = 10 LSD Dose
1G = 10,000 LSD Dose
1kG = 10,000,000 LSD Dose

10,000,000 x 0.0283495 = 283,495 Doses of LSD so as you can see your source of information is near bang on!

The playing card factory in Hereford UK were importing 1kG of LSD and supplying the entire UK rave scene for a while in the early 90s. 1 kG would last as a major source for a long while.

http://www.itnsource.com/en/shotlist//ITN/1992/05/28/BSP280592016/?s=lsd+lab&st=0&pn=1&v=0

This was a crew where they were effectively the LSD equiviliant of a "pill press lab" . They were bringing in Crystal LSD from California and then breaking it down with Vodka and printing their own blotters.

They were notorious as they were printing their own playing card boxes and distributing the drugs in novel 50 packs.

Somewhere there is a documentary about this crew and initially they had problems figuring out the dose. A lot of their trips were notoriousley strong.

I actually had one called a Red Dragon it took my head off. Reports suggest their average dose was 250uG!! They were also responsible for Batmans, Jokers, Laughing Buddhas, Red Green and Black Dragons.

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