All this salvia talk has me reminded of my only salvia breakthrough. You guys have mentioned a "wheel" that often travels around the tripper, and a "wait your turn" feeling.
I had both on my unexpected breakthrough. The "wheel" that I was on was slamming into different dimensions or realities. I would envision myself in the shower of my childhood home for a few seconds and then SLAM, it felt kinda like slamming through the wall into another reality, and I would envision myself somewhere else.
In another portion of the trip, there was a circular ritual going on with all of my loved ones. I had to wait until "it" got to me, and then perform a specific diving type of dance move if I wanted to get back to the reality I knew from normal life. I came to, trying to gently dive into my coffee table.
Prior to that, I didn't believe in the salvia breakthrough. I had tried a few times in my youth and only got mildly entertaining effects.
It's a good thing you came out of it when you did, lol. I've definitely heard some salvia horror stories about moving around during breakthroughs... as I assume most of us have, since unlike with most propaganda it really can throw you for a loop like that. Something I have to keep reminding myself to be properly prepared for as I push the dosage up further.
Despite what I was saying before I did actually end up coming up with a couple more theories about salvia that are potentially relevant to what you're saying here....
First of all, I've been thinking a lot about the fact that quite a lot of people mention childhood imagery, behavior, or specifically their own memories during salvia trips. As I said above, my now first breakthrough also, other than myself (which I remember being an adult for), specifically involved only a large (relatively large) quantity of child entities (all human, but children). I was thinking about how this differs for me from dreams, regular or lucid, as well as human-related hallucinations I get on most drugs, including others that are claimed to be dream-like either in terms of "feeling like dreaming while awake" or literally producing dream-like experiences, such as DMT, ketamine, and even things like nodding on opioids or cannabinoids. It seems like in general, most drugs, if they produce hallucinations or mental imagery of humans at all, they tend to produce experiences involving adults, and the emotions I feel during the experiences also seem rather clearly adult-oriented, like feeling manic confidence about my place socially in a way that seems to mirror adult social behaviors, and stuff like that. This makes the childhood-oriented effects of salvia seem to really stand out to me, and it makes me wonder if part of how salvia feels "backward" (to me at least, as I've been describing here) in comparison to dreams, cannabis, and indeed, most other recreational drugs I'm familiar with that produce dream-like experiences, specifically involves what I would call the "forward" instincts produced by these drugs and dreams to relate to the circuits in the human brain involved in adult social interaction, while part of the "mirror reflection" / "opposite parallels" of the "backward" instincts produced by salvia that I talk about relates to the circuits in the human brain involved in child social interaction instead, like possibly regardless of whether you yourself are a child or an adult, possibly causing salvia trips to bring back all kinds of childhood memories and behaviors during the trips that we don't normally experience much anymore otherwise, again regardless of whether it turns us into children again during the breakthroughs (which I have sometimes read about too) or if it leaves us our adult selves (or, you know, someone else's)? So I just wanted to bring that up first because of what you said about it bringing you back to your childhood home, it seemed worth mentioning. (Maybe part of your trip involving all of your loved ones could relate in part to this kind of social instinctive drive being stimulated too?)
And second, I'm starting to wonder if perhaps another significant part of what differentiates the effect of salvia from all of these aforementioned "dream-like" drugs and dreams themselves that might also relate to the "backward" as opposed to "forward" logic I talk about is, what if the dreams and dream-like drugs work in part by stimulating the part of the human brain involved in excitement, while salvia works in part by stimulating the part of the brain involved in boredom? The way I was initially thinking of this is, what if this is responsible, at least in part or perhaps full, for the extreme time dilation that some people describe in particularly intense salvia experiences? As they say, time flies when you're having fun, and dreams and dream-like drugs are often described as feeling fleeting once they're no longer happening, like for instance even DMT breakthroughs are often said to fade quickly like a dream and be hard to recall even when they're describing as being perfectly clear and lucid and immersive, and this is a similar issue with lucid dreaming, where even when you're totally aware and conscious for it and it's very vivid, you still have to train yourself to remember your dreams more easily a lot of the time to actually be able to hold on well to what happened once you've woken up. Additionally, "dream-like" drugs that are as powerful as DMT are often described with phrases like "timeless eternity" (at least in my own observations) after the fact, which, despite the "eternity" in that phrase, does seem to reflect the notion that time is meaningless or nonexistent in those states, which is something I sometimes see more explicitly said as well. On the other hand, salvia is often described as being an experience that very, very, very explicitly includes a perception of time passing in a realistic sense, sometimes in a way just a bit more dilated than what one would normally experience, sometimes in relatively extreme durations like days, months, years, or lifetimes, and sometimes all the way up to talking about infinities, like having an experience that lasts forever, or, I think perhaps more commonly, having an experience of realizing that you've already been in the other place you found yourself transported to for infinity already. And what is both the fundamental opposite of excitement as well as something that we all know can cause an elapsed real time duration to feel like it lasted longer than it would have otherwise? Boredom.
This is essentially what I'm saying.... Let's talk for a moment about the experience of Steve Cantwell, the comedian who (while not claiming to be joking, to be clear) claimed to live a completely realistic eight years in the span of forty-five seconds on a salvia trip that was unplanned, so it caught him by surprise and he dosed much higher than he probably would have if it was planned, and was his first ever drug experience. Many people question the believability of this story, but I personally have debated that before, and for the sake of this discussion, let's assume just for a moment that it's definitely true. I'll also point out really quick that while he is very clear about the eight years passing in the trip and that seems to be an exact figure (I mean maybe not an exact eight years, but at least around eight years of time is what he's claiming), I'm assuming that the "forty-five seconds" he claims to have passed in real time during that trip is just an estimation, just guessing but I think that's probably the case, but also just for the sake of ease of conversation here, let's assume for a moment that it was exactly forty-five seconds. Essentially what I'm suggesting here is, perhaps the explanation for his supposed trip is that when he smoked that salvia and it hit him so hard, according to the circuits in his brain that were being activated and how it would be described more generally as opposed to as a drug trip, perhaps it was as if that salvia trip made him feel so unbelievably bored, so ridiculously, gargantuanly, gruelingly bored, that the experience of him simply waiting for that forty-five seconds of real time to pass felt subjectively to him like having to wait for an entire eight years of lived time to pass, complete the richness of experience that would actually occur in eight years of actual elapsed time. Perhaps, because salvia hypothetically produces an experience that is in some ways fundamentally opposite but at the same time relatable to a dream, like a mirror reflection, by stimulating the same part of the brain that hypothetically produces this subjective experience of boredom, this level of boredom is inherently associated with an "opposite dream" where, like a dream, the experiencer vividly and immersively enters the hallucinatory landscape as if they were really there, and the brain simply pads it with level of content required to feel as though that much time really has passed, like to truly believe the feeling that eight years could pass in forty-five seconds of real time? And after all, if you ask me, both things like lucid dreams as well as DMT breakthroughs seem to be filled with all kinds of explicitly exciting content... but this notably extreme salvia breakthroughs often seem to come off as rather boring, don't they? For instance, Steve Cantwell's trip was described as going through a rotating of repetitive events, spanning from working a dead-end job every day of the week, going grocery shopping, watching kids' movies on TV that he had already seen, and hanging out with friends who were wanting to have fun, but who he thought were just hallucinations and therefore couldn't really get into the spirit of the fun with - all of which, separately and together especially as an eight year span, if you ask me, actually sounds quite boring, and it was only, according to him, at the moment that he felt like he might be able to finally give in and accept that it's real and enjoy it that it suddenly ended, leaving him right back in this reality where he started. Could it not be essentially that he was just, like... waiting an entire eight years for forty-five seconds to pass, so that he could finally start coming down again and move on?
I haven't listened to the whole album you posted yet but I'll log it to try at a later time when I can fit the whole thing in.
I've thought of taking a full eighth before though, but the cokehead that was gonna sell them to be re-upped around when I hit him up before and then he never answered back.