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You need to give FXE a try Jack it really is something special and im sure that you would enjoy it. Much warmer and more psychedelic than Ketamine.

Remember reading that your weren't into that one so much. Personally after having both during the same week last month it really made me realize how much better FXE is in do many ways.

Only thing that Ket has as a benefit in some situations is the shorter duration which can be convenient towards the end of the night if youd like to get to sleep shortly.

With FXE it has a lingering duration that can keep you up for awhile, which is fine if you dose it earlier in the day. Just dont take anymore past 9pm if you are looking to get asleep before 3am.

I find its an amazing Disso for daytime use, i can do it at 11am and by the time im ready to clock in at work that night i just have a lingering afterglow working, and some full face smiles going on.
 
I’ll be honest with all of you, I have been down taking care of my parents this weekend, but now I’m ready to party. I think I need a new drug. I wish I like dissociatives. I did take some gabapentin and smoked a lot of weed.

Have you tried nutmeg essential oil?

I was going to recommend 2M2B which I literally bought on Amazon as Amazon's Choice but I can't find it on there anymore. Sad.

No oilahuasca required for the nutmeg essential oil, or at least that's not what I'm recommending. It does seem like some people get effects out of nutmeg and some people don't, but I'd just be recommending giving it a shot to see if you're one of the lucky ones, not trying to modulate your enzymes or something. For me it feels a lot like if you took the psychedelic and deliriant effects of MDMA and removed them from the stimulant and empathogen effects, and I can feel it trailing for a similar amount of time to a DOx molecule. I have found it to be extremely smooth and pleasant so far, if a little hit-or-miss (perhaps from different potency or degradation levels of the oil, I'm not sure). It does not have any noteworthy side effects for me (as of yet anyway) and is actually quite enjoyable, I think I like the way it feels better than a lot of phenethylamine psychedelics although it is a less intense psychedelic trip, but its delirium is notable, in a playful and easygoing way I compare to MDMA. One of my favorite visuals on it was once I drove to get fast food late at night after taking it probably in the morning (I usually do stuff then) and expecting that the effects were largely over, and I looked at one of the street lights in the parking lot I was waiting in the drive thru in and it spontaneously turned into a palm tree with clearly visible music note symbols like 🎶 gently and slowly raining down from the leaves.

It's definitely one of my favorite drugs that most people haven't used so it felt worth mentioning.

Its safety is not well-studied but I've yet to encounter any personal anecdotes about it or nutmeg in general that make me afraid of occasional use. Not saying I never will.

It would be great to get all of you together and pass a joint around. But I guess iMessage board will have to do for now.

:joint:
 
I came across a fascinating trip report linked to on Reddit by the person who wrote it today. I don't know if this is their website or whatever, I haven't looked beyond this page, but this is the link: https://kathleenmay.ca/2020/11/09/a-dance-with-time/.

The trip reporter is a cancer patient who was using very high dosages of oral cannabis oil and then took like around a couple months off from using it, then decided to pick it up again with close to the same dosage they left off on thinking they might still have a tolerance. They ended up tripping extremely hard in some ways that I find deeply intriguing in particular with how it relates to the cannabis tripping I've been doing and things I've been talking about related to that in general, but it's a good trip report either way.

Here's the actual excerpt.

A Dance With Time (A Dance Without Time) said:
I shot up from a dead sleep, the way you see happen in movies but almost never do in real life.

To the dark room, I say aloud, “Did that happen?”

Kai, my sleeping girlfriend, stirs awake, then freezes. I can tell the energy in the room is different than it normally feels in the middle of the night at our bubble friends’ house.

She doesn’t answer, so I add, “With the paramedics?”

“Yeah,” she says, getting into a sitting position as well. “That happened.”

The three of us: Kai, our friend Nancy, and I sat around the living room, compulsively refreshing our phones to witness what should have been a landslide in the US election become a neck-in-neck tie with no declaration of victory in sight. I hadn’t had any intention of watching the results so closely, thinking the new old white guy would for sure beat the old old white guy, but we got wrapped up in the drama despite ourselves.

We all called it a night fairly early, and Kai and I went upstairs into the room we always stay in while we visit Nancy and Jay, who is away hunting. Kai and I talked for a bit in bed, as we usually do, and I worked on my nighttime routine: take my medications and supplements, write in my daily pain journal, and tonight, start my new regimen of FECO, or Full Extract Cannabis Oil.

I have had FECO before, having finished half the protocol in September; I had to stop as I didn’t have the money to complete the 60 grams. Then, my loved ones started a crowdfunding campaign for me, in part so I could continue with the FECO treatment. I’d had the complete protocol mailed to me, which consists of 60 1-gram syringes of the tar-like, very concentrated cannabis oil (also called Rick Simpson Oil or Phoenix Tears). It’s popular among cancer patients like myself for its promising results on tumour growth and also its ability to ease nausea, promote appetite, and help with sleep.

When I’d stopped before, I was up to taking a full gram, so I decided to jump in again, thinking I’d likely still have some in my system. I also take a much lower concentration of THC to help with pain as needed and never had any psychoactive effects from that. I didn’t take an entire gram, but certainly didn’t start at the ‘grain of rice’ that is recommended.

Kai went to sleep, but I wasn’t able to. My sleep is poor on a good day, so I was anticipating a long night of trying to meditate myself to sleep. I made two notes in my text app, which isn’t unusual. The first was an idea for my column for the Doppler, and the second was inspiration for an innovative housing plan. I worked on that for a bit and then tried to get back to sleep, cuddling into Kai.

I realized I was freezing, so pressed in closer to my human furnace.

If I only told you my side of what happened next, it would include a gravitational well, the brightest light you can imagine, the sound of a million women laughing, a trillion lives re-experienced (and as many deaths), and the kindest, most loving energy I have ever known. Also, the answer to why we are alive, and what happens after we die. It would be a terrifying, confusing, impossible story.

Luckily, two people I trust and care deeply about have shared their perspective of this experience, so while I know what I experienced internally, I also have their insight as to the sequence of events, and many things I thought I was thinking but was indeed saying or doing.

So while I’m writing this as close to linearly as I can, I maintain that time is completely meaningless, and I’m only settled back here in my life is because I was too scared to decide to die, and because I saw amazing things here in this time and space that could still be done, and be done by me.

I woke Kai up with all my pressing into her – I started to see that my mind wasn’t in its normal state when I was looking at the alarm clock and thinking, how do people possibly forget? Forget that every inhalation is like dying and waiting to start life over again, over and over with every single breath? Oh my god, how do we forget? It was beginning to feel like nothing would ever be the same again.

Sleep was impossible because my brain was trapped in the dark, in the cold with pain and suffering.

Kai tried to reassure me, but I was in that place between understanding that something was really different and thinking if I could only sleep, I’d be fine. I’d been stoned on RSO countless times, and I usually just lie down and sleep it off. Only one time did it actually impact my functioning – I had to stop halfway through starting a load of laundry to go to bed because the washing machine was just too much to comprehend.

This time was quickly surpassing that.

I had another psychedelic trip in my early twenties, so a part of me understood what was happening, but another part was convinced this time was the real time, the time I would die. I would take in too much information and my mind would literally explode. It was after that experience that I completely changed my life, learned boundaries and communication, came out as a lesbian, began to believe in myself and my writing… but that all came later. Immediately after that trip, I fell into a massive depression, unable to reconcile the things I thought to be true with what the magic mushrooms ‘revealed’ to me. So as my trip heightened this time, I was afraid what would happen to me afterwards.

But before long, I no longer cared or believed that anything bad was possible at all, or that I was a person that things could happen to.

I remember much of what follows, but not how it begins.

Kai reports that I sat up in bed, much like at the end of the night. Only this time, I say, at the top of my voice: “We all need to wake up RIGHT NOW!”

Nancy says what actually awoke her was my pained, haunting yowls. From that point, Kai says there were as many as ten cycles of me losing it: beginning with a giggle, that would escalate into me throwing my arms around as widespread as they could go, and spinning around on the bed, with no concern for the very real limits of the mattress. Kai and Nancy tell me, and my bruised body confirms, that I would throw myself off the sides or end of the bed onto the floor, full force.

Eventually, I would calm down and could be coaxed back to bed. But, Kai says, it would start again with a giggle, and before long I’d be flinging myself around the room in a frantic twirl.

Nancy told me: “I could hear Kai attempting to calm you so waited a moment with the assumption you were in the middle of a night terror. But the howling continued mixed with Kai’s comfort. The giggle part started later and would then descend; arms waving almost dancing to horror again. It may have been the word NO, but if so, it came out noooooooooo in a most haunting and fearful manner as one might cry out on learning something terrible and not as a command.”

From my perspective, I was dying. I remember at one point, stretching my arm, shoulder and neck against the bed-frame hard enough that I broke the bed, only to me, every point of contact was like a million pixels bursting and cascading to the ground. I was breaking into shards of light.

It felt like what a seizure looks like, and I have seen many. My back arched, my head flung back, my fingers stretched and reaching. I saw, not stars, but frantically snapping synapses like a fireworks display, only each explosion was connected to and ushered in the next, explosively growing.

I thought that I would die, that this was death. There wasn’t a question of accepting it or being okay. At that point, I didn’t think there was any choice left in the matter.

But I did pull back from that, and shortly after, the ambulance was called.

From my perspective, the entire event took… millennia. I relived my life, from early years to present day, trillions of times, at varying speeds. Each breath I took began at my birth and ended at the current moment, just preceding death. If I could only just inhale all the way, I would be released from my life to the incomprehensible beauty of what’s next.

At one point, I felt that I was falling backwards into, or being held up by, the utter blackness of the vacuum of space. Every time I ‘fell’, I’d catch my breath and a burst of light came from my form (which was not human shaped, but more like a ribbon of rainbow light). And whenever I inhaled, more light held me up until I wasn’t falling, but dancing in the darkness as I lit it up with the light and joy of the connections I made with people while alive. As the lights flared, I saw the story behind them, a time I had connected in loving truth to another person. I fell, golden and glittering, through the billions of stories of other people, their laughter, the times I’ve helped and been helped.

It’s like if you measured being alive on a spectrum. Having an orgasm is in the middle. Obviously torture and suffering is on the ‘bad dark scary cold lonely loud’ end of the spectrum, but death itself is on the bright warm big loving peaceful side. And when I inhaled, it almost felt like the way you catch your breath before an orgasm – but over and over and every time it happened, I fell farther, was more supported, and the golden sparks got bigger and brighter. I had to let go, but it was scary because at first it felt like a broken arm or having all your hair pulled. But then I would let go, fall through the golden laughter, and be upheld. It was a good pain, like pulling a brush through the last knots in your hair.

Unlike other bad trips I had, there were no villains and no demons. I was afraid only when I thought I was dying, or when I thought I could never return to this window of time.

The spinning I was doing makes sense to me, though I thought it had all happened inside my head. I would by lying on the bed, my eyes flitting from one item in the room to the next: from the lantern on the shelf, to the blue wall decor, to the rug, to Kai, to Nancy, to the dog, and back, spinning faster and faster. Inside my head, I’m coming to terms with the meaning of life, and it’s joyous, so I’m laughing but out-of-control. Even spin is another round of this life, bringing me closer to truth somehow.

At one point, when I’m really stuck in the life-review, I look at Kai, and the clarity, the absolute infinitesimal detail of her, and every item in the room, it was too much for my brain to take in. Everything reminded me of some other place, some other person, countless other people, always approaching recognition but never arriving. In Kai’s face, I saw the faces of hundreds of people I knew, people who had loved me. I even saw myself throughout the ages, most strongly myself as a teenager. I also suspected there were faces of those I have not yet loved, but will.

It was beyond safe; it was as though my higher self had created Kai exactly for that moment, to ease my transfer into another world. And suddenly, I felt ready.

The next moments felt like they took a lifetime. I observed everything in the room from the point of view of every atom in the room. I saw everything, things at a scale or time-frame I couldn’t possibly see or understand.

Every breath I took was now preparing me to face the final challenge of being ‘alive’. I had to breathe so deeply, so consistently, that my breath would transcend my human form and become light, the light then destroying all form and revealing me as a new star.

My fingertips stretched outward because wherever I touched, I could see the imaginary walls that contain us, and on the other side of what we think of as ‘everything’ IS everything. When I touched it, sparks of light pierced the veil, and I could see that infinity is just us collapsing into stars, experiencing for eternity the good thoughts and feelings of the people who love us, and it’s enough. It doesn’t seem like it could possibly be enough to last forever, but it is.

When I looked into Kai’s eyes, which I’m told was quite intense but did not last several millennia for her as it had for me, I saw pure light shining through from the other side, as if people ourselves are gateways or channels of universal love, containing it or translating it. I kept looking between her, Nancy, and the dog, and thinking, everything that I love is so good, and I am also made of all of that love. It was beyond reassuring. I remember looking at Kai, seeing all versions of us within her, and thinking (and saying), like a mantra: “Oh, I’m so glad it’s you. Oh, I’m so glad it’s you!” But at the same time, I knew in my heart that no matter who was there, I would be that happy.

When looking at her, I felt she was telling me how to be ready to transition to the next phase. That she and Nancy and even Mills the dog were all there to help me meet/become god/a star. That all my life, ALL life, sped by up to this moment, where suddenly everything was so very slow. And on the other side, of her, of the veil, was infinite loving warmth, was love itself, pure and condensed.

It’s like, right now we see everything from the inside out. I look outside myself to observe ‘reality’. But I was able to see myself from the ‘outside’ of space/eternity (which is still us, somehow – sorry, this is impossible to explain). And I saw that I am not what I don’t want or don’t like, but I am everything I like and love, therefore we are all beings of true love, not the things we reject or hate, or the bad things that have happened to us or bad things people think about or say about us. Those aren’t real parts of ourselves. All that’s real is the love we’ve given, accepted, and created.

I feel like I was ready to check out of this fleeting and confining timeline, to leave you all here and enjoy the love at the end of the story. But one vision stays with me.

I watched my own story from the beginning, and saw me as a child say, “No!” and pull away from a dangerous situation. It wasn’t a memory because in real life, I hadn’t pulled away. But this time I did, and suddenly the scene divided, and I saw three little girls shout “No!” and pull away from the hands of someone who meant them harm. And when they yelled, the rooms filled with golden light, divided again, this time more girls, older girls, all shouting, being cast in golden light, and bursting into more scenes, and more. Until the world was filled with glowing spaces and safe girls, all using their own glorious golden voices for themselves and each other.

I realized two things: that time is not just linear and what we say and do now can impact the past as well as the future. I don’t fully understand it, but I watched myself live my own life over and over, and it wasn’t always the same. So what I do today could actually positively impact my past self. And I learned that when we stand up for ourselves, even when no one else ever sees it, it gives that power to others to do the same. It was like watching cosmic golden dominoes. That’s what I meant when I shouted that we have to wake everyone up – it became so obvious. I had to stay here and use my voice as a drop in the ocean of peace.

When the paramedics arrived, the trip felt more like a sitcom than a near death experience. It was explained that I had taken a moderate dose of high THC cannabis oil which is part of my cancer maintenance regimen. We couldn’t find the oil syringe to show them (someone threw all my belongings all over the room, real mystery).

One of the paramedics called me Sweetheart, and Kai told him to cool it with the terms of endearment. I found out later that Nancy had explained on the phone and again upon their arrival that I have trauma, which is good because if they’d tried to contain me, I might have unleashed the power of the stars I was channelling!

They did try to take my blood pressure, but I wouldn’t remain still and kept laughing and trying to spin around the room. I only had a sweater and underwear shorts on, so I was a little embarrassed later but in the moment knew nothing like shame. Finally, they were able to get a reading, and the one paramedic said my blood pressure was better than his. Apparently there was also a police officer on the scene, but Nancy explained the uniform and energy may not be appreciated, and he remained in the hallway; I never did see him.

I’m told the paramedics cleared me after a period of observation and released me into Kai’s care. Apparently when they were having her sign something, I shouted, “What are you signing!” because even on my way to becoming a celestial being, I still want people to read everything they sign.

The paramedics left the room only to run back when I immediately flung myself into the crevice on the floor between the bed and the wall. Kai says she tended to leave me there because I was snug like a bug and couldn’t hurt myself. I remember being a little chilly, however.

The paramedic who hadn’t called me sweetheart then called me ‘dear’, immediately backtracked and apologized, calling it a bad habit.

I shouted my response from the ground: “It’s not a habit, it’s a choice!”

So, hopefully we all learned something from that… Trauma informed first response means no ‘cutesy’ names, just get the patient’s name and call us by that. Otherwise, they did a good job, they were respectful and didn’t try to handle me a lot. I imagine getting a call for a drug overdose for a woman my age, they are likely not expecting a psychedelic trip – it looks a lot different than an opioid overdose. Hopefully less alarming.

I remember, while spinning, that I needed to decide: I could keep spinning forever, like a neutron star, and finally experience what happens after “death”, or I could jump back into this timeline, and keep trying to ‘wake everybody up’ by saying “No!” to injustice and teaching others how to do the same, eventually saving my childhood self and all childhood selves, with the help of everyone and all their selves. Although it was extremely painful, because again, what is on the other side is so stunningly beautiful and joyous and good, I decided to stay here and see what else I can do before I die.

No part of this was painful, though today I’m quite a mess physically from having thrown myself around the room like a pinball. Some parts were very scary – every time I had to relive my life, it was like a nautilus shell. The beginning was so fast and so dark, with only a few bright loving spots/people. Then a long dark stretch through my teen and young adult years. Then in my mid-twenties, a long stretch of bright glowing love, intersected by black sharp void of my surgeries and cancer diagnosis, then gold glowing warmth again, then, interestingly, as we move to the outer edge of the spiral, time took up more ‘space’ in every direction. Feelings were stronger, memories more clear. To the point where I could predict these beautiful surges as I relived it over and over: one was Iceland, a cold and blue-purple stretch of time, followed by Hawai’i, a warm, humid, bright yellow stretch. I replayed my shell over and over, trying billions of potential paths, dying countless times. I realize ‘past lives’ isn’t about being a vestal virgin or Egyptian queen: it’s about all the times I lived MY life, changing only the most minute details, or changing everything, like this night. I have done this so very many times.

But thank goodness Kai was there, and Nancy, and Mills, or I truly would have lost it. I remember thinking of my sister and heaving a huge, weighty sigh of relief that she even existed.

Thank goodness it happened at Nancy’s, where I could be relatively contained. Apparently the dog had been really freaked out, and while in Nancy’s room, aimed herself at the door, hyper-attentive, and only lay down when I quieted down several hours later.

Eventually, the lights were turned out, and I slept.
 
I am taking notes ya’ll. ;)

Long, drive ahead, and damn is it stormy around here. It’s been a while since I’ve seen this much rain but we need it.
 



we need more studies into understanding the true power of psychedleics and not just thepary. Thats holding us back big time.

We need to be giving people 1000 ug of LSD and understanding what is really going on with the spacetime continuum.

So many acid trips i transcended time itself and saw the future come TRUE. ANd many other folks have aswell. Not everyone though.

I could pop 500 ug of acid and come back and write a whole post on things that will come true within a year within my own life and it would happen.

YET No studies looking into this shit. Like fuck man even elon musk and silicon valley know this stuff is more than science knows. They use it to hack the fucking game of life to become rich
 
I wish I had some input for y'all. Alas, I've just been confronted with all the cracks in so many of the systems, I need some time to re-evaluate everything.

Blatantly spite-dosing my last DMXE dose alas. Not because there's any meaning to that, I just want this particular trip arc of mine to be over, so I can analyze it without any feeling of attachment to any of the tools.
 
I came across a fascinating trip report linked to on Reddit by the person who wrote it today. I don't know if this is their website or whatever, I haven't looked beyond this page, but this is the link: https://kathleenmay.ca/2020/11/09/a-dance-with-time/.

The trip reporter is a cancer patient who was using very high dosages of oral cannabis oil and then took like around a couple months off from using it, then decided to pick it up again with close to the same dosage they left off on thinking they might still have a tolerance. They ended up tripping extremely hard in some ways that I find deeply intriguing in particular with how it relates to the cannabis tripping I've been doing and things I've been talking about related to that in general, but it's a good trip report either way.

Here's the actual excerpt.

Reads like a novel. Synopsis?




we need more studies into understanding the true power of psychedleics and not just thepary. Thats holding us back big time.

We need to be giving people 1000 ug of LSD and understanding what is really going on with the spacetime continuum.

So many acid trips i transcended time itself and saw the future come TRUE. ANd many other folks have aswell. Not everyone though.

I could pop 500 ug of acid and come back and write a whole post on things that will come true within a year within my own life and it would happen.

YET No studies looking into this shit. Like fuck man even elon musk and silicon valley know this stuff is more than science knows. They use it to hack the fucking game of life to become rich


Studies are a red herring. We need to legalize instantly and anything else is a joke.

Your claims of clairvoyance are claims of clairvoyance.
 
Last night I dosed 4-ho-mipt with about 700mg of Ketamine throughout the tonight. First time mixing Ketamine with a psychedelic and they sure do go together well. Been really enjoying Ketamine but I think I gotta retire it. My deviated septum is getting worse, I can tell. So I think I need to retire my nose from having drugs in it and I'm not ready to reintroduce needles into my life.

I recently had a break up and I did a lot of good introspection about that. My ex partner and I had a short, whirlwind romance, then had a falling out and we just stopped talking. I've tried initiating conversation and rekindling things but I've put in more effort than them. I've been good about not letting it get to me too much, but the fact that they just disappeared and stopped talking to me hurt my feelings I guess because I felt we had something special. I feel I at least deserved a straight up "hey, I don't think we should see each other, we're not good for each other" or something like that. Last message I sent I was just left on read so it's been getting to me. During the trip I realized that this is something they do. When. People get too close and they're trying to prevent worse pain in the future, they cut ties before things get too good and people get too close. My trip last night helped me realize that it's not so much what I did vs how they react to interpersonal relationships, so thats good. We still had a good 6+ months together of being in love and having great sex and sweet pillow talk and I'll always hold those memories close, but I know I deserve better than to have to put up with being the only one making an effort so I'm walking away. I've tried my best.

That epiphany kinda got drowned out By a freak out I had later. I have a plate with a portrait of Joseph Smith on it that I do lines off of. Well when I decided to be done snorting, I licked my plate clean. Tasted metal and realized that they used metal paint of some sort to decorate the plate. Washed my mouth out really good but couldn't get the metal taste out of my mouth. The last 2 or 3 hours of the trip were me freaking out about my deviated septum and the fact that i convinced myself that I gave myself lead poisoning or something. Eventually my roomie came out of his room, I told him what happened and he got me chocolate milk and reassured me that I'd be okay and that I was just tripping, so that helped.

Was worried that I'd forget what I learned regarding my ex because the lessons got overpowered by the fear, but I think the lesson had stuck.

I also made some music last night and am working on a track I like. Just gotta get the lyrics completely fleshed out and recorded, so that was nice because I've been struggling creatively.
 
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I've been breaking my rule about 'don't redose in the psychedelic afterglow' and redosing mushie every two days. Not major. Just not my style either. I may have to drop tomorrow. We'll see.
 
Reads like a novel. Synopsis?

She took close to a gram of RSO with no tolerance and felt like she relived her life trillions of times in different ways over the course of the night that felt like it lasted several millennia. She felt as though she would start her life at the beginning again after breathing out and reload everything up to the current moment by breathing in again and felt that if she could breath in completely she would pass on to the other side, but felt that she still had things to do with this life. And other generally trippy things that accompany that level of tripping.
 
I had another experience that I found interesting on 30 mg of Δ9-THC orally today.

After my last experience that I wrote about where I saw fireworks that turned into flowers on 50 mg, I realized something that seems to be valid about the trips I've had on oral cannabis recently as well as how they both relate to and oppositely mirror my experiences on salvia. Specifically, it seems like when I do get those little bursts of hallucinations on oral Δ9-THC, they seem to go in a way that I would describe as first developing in an orderly way and then shifting into a sudden disorder that they continuously resolve into as they fade away, and thinking that made me realize that I feel like I could describe my recent salvia experiences in the opposite way, more like I would say that they develop first in a disorderly way, but then shift into a sudden order that they continuously resolve into as they fade away. For oral Δ9-THC, the simple example is the aforementioned hallucination: the hallucination spontaneously arose and developed as firework-like psychedelic geometric hallucinations totally abstract and orderly in design like I would typically expect from 5-HT2A receptor agonists, but when the firework blooms turned into flowers instead, the imagery became highly realistic in design and texture, and it started smearing out of existence in a way that I would relate to the look of smoke chaotically wafting away into the air, very disorderly, more like a dream or a drug I would consider to cause delirium. For salvia, I think the best example that comes to my mind from my recent experiences that I reported on here is there one where the way the trip started is that it felt like a wall of wind suddenly started slamming into me from the right and like I could feel the wind chaotically whipping all around me in random directions, but once I got over the hump of the trip, it felt like the psychic wall in my head the was holding the wind back burst, and then it was more like a dam breaking and the water suddenly comes spilling out, but it was like that water just covered me and submerged me at the bottom of it, where things became increasingly homogeneous and calm, orderly, and also more like a sensation I would associate with psychedelics unlike the very delirious onset.

I've only had a couple more edible experiences since then, 20 mg two days ago and 30 mg today. The first experience wasn't that notable, nor was I expecting it to be, but there was a moment where I noticed that I felt a very slight and vague onset of trippiness, and then suddenly felt the typical 'burst' I feel at the switching point for these experiences, and for just a brief moment I had very light but clear imagery of blades of grass around my peripheral vision. I thought this was interesting given the flowers from the previous experience, I think I might have an idea of what specific type of recurring scenery in my mind's eye this oral cannabis tripping might be reaching into at this switching point, but I need to explore it more before I'm willing to say anything with confidence. Today, on the 30 mg at some point I did get another very light burst of flower imagery, lighter and more transparent than from the 50 mg but notably more dense, but that wasn't the thing that really interested me. At what seemed like the clear peak of this trip to me, I suddenly saw psychedelic geometries of extremely high complexity, although still dim and maybe transparent for a lot of it but nonetheless clear, which looked exactly like those schizophrenic cat paintings by Louis Wain, particularly the ones further down the line.

This is the one in particular that it reminds me of the most I think:

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(My mental health is doing fine, by the way.)

I did completely see a psychedelic geometry just like this, but as usual with these oral Δ9-THC hallucinations for me so far, right afterward the switch happened and suddenly it transformed into a completely realistic and realistically detailed cat face, except that the cat had light pink fur. The cat then pulled away from my face (in my mind's eye, but clearly) and then ran around my field of vision along some asymmetrical spiral image that looked like the spiral was made up of some sort of lime green cloud-like substance with a solid lighter purple backdrop. A moment later the image of the cat sort of collapsed and I realized that the pink fur that the cat had was the exact same fur texture and color as what I described in my previous post about my previous trip on 30 mg, to quote myself: "A few days before this, I had taken 30 mg of Δ9-THC orally and laid on this same bed, and suddenly had one of those bursts of activity with my 'breathing out' effect I noticed, and it kind of felt like my perception of the bed suddenly popped like a bubble, and left in its wake was a new perception of the bed which made it feel like it was all made of a luscious pink fur, which it is nowhere near as comfy as in real life, and I laid there stroking it and rolling my face in it as if it actually was made of that material and it really felt comfortable in the way that I would expect it to if it were."

I find it interesting that it seems like there might be some considerable consistency between my more complex and structured hallucinations on different edible cannabis trips, especially because of how I've been reflecting the effects I get from them off of the effects I get from salvia, which is known to do a similar thing between it own trips and does for me too. I don't want to jump to conclusions and say anything too fast though, it just seemed like an interesting observation so far. I also thought it was neat that the Δ9-THC made me hallucinate a cat as most drugs do not give me vivid hallucination of just regular Earthly animals, although to be fair, the cat was pink.

I think I'm going to try to take a bit of a break from the edibles because I've been using a little bit too much for my liking in general, I don't want to build up a tolerance, but also I've kind of been in vacation mode for a little while and need to start pulling back the partying a little bit in general anyway. I'll happily come back and report more observations when I get around to having them though.
 
She took close to a gram of RSO with no tolerance and felt like she relived her life trillions of times in different ways over the course of the night that felt like it lasted several millennia. She felt as though she would start her life at the beginning again after breathing out and reload everything up to the current moment by breathing in again and felt that if she could breath in completely she would pass on to the other side, but felt that she still had things to do with this life. And other generally trippy things that accompany that level of tripping.

Thanks!

Never had anything like this happen. I do get visuals but they're incredibly chaotic, rapidly shifting, blurry and vague, often hilarious, very unlike classical psychedelics. If anything i'd describe it as amplified hypnagogia.

I do note the similarity between this and the experiences you described yourself earlier.
 
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Never had anything like this happen. I do get visuals but they're incredibly chaotic, rapidly shifting, blurry and vague, often hilarious, very unlike classical psychedelics. If anything i'd describe it as amplified hypnagogia.

I do note the similarity between this and the experiences you described yourself earlier.

You're welcome, and in general I think I can understand where you're coming from. Actually back in the day one of my favorite things about cannabis is the amplified nodding experiences I would get while falling asleep on the couch after smoking myself silly every night, it was easily the most dream-like hallucinogenic experience that was a regular part of my life at the time, just little snippets of things but they'd be so absurd or just funny, like floating in a black void watching the text float off of my phone and out around me, and stuff like that. It was fun but as a slightly older adult in retrospect I now feel like I probably damaged my posture and muscles somewhat with all the positions I would pass out in over and over every night lol.

The way I most frequently use cannabis now is smoking flower in a small or average-sized pipe. If I do not have any tolerance or I'm in a new environment like on vacation or something, even this level of use can feel genuinely psychedelic for me these days (not sure about back then, I kind of went too overboard too often to tell), but even at the strongest expressions of that, it's not that crazy. I would readily compare it to something like a halogenated 2C-x chemical, a good sexy energy, visuals that really are like geometric patterns but still more just like moderately complex shapes and colors than anything more significant than that, and a headspace that feels like psychedelic introspection but isn't likely to feel like anything crazier than that. When I do that all the time and I'm just going about my usual routines it feels much more just like a non-visual buzz, but I'm sensitive enough to cannabis that I also don't feel like I need more than that generally, like I don't really use concentrates or vape mostly because that high I get just from smoking flower out of regular pipe is enough. When I smoke flower out of a bong the trip is notably more intense than it would have been in a normal pipe, but it's also usually significantly more anxious, and I'm starting to not like it because I've realized I tend to go on long, rambling rants to my friends when I get that high.

With edibles, although the hallucinations haven't lasted very long for me when they come yet, it's a whole different ballgame. If smoking cannabis feels like a more recreational phenethylamine to me then edibles are more like a deeper tryptamine or lysergamide, and luckily, unlike smoking flower out of a bong, I'm getting this from the edibles at dosages that I still don't find anxious, just smooth and even more euphoric than the normal smoked flower highs I get. I'm sure there will come a point where I discover what edible dosage makes me anxious, but I'm really enjoying the ride up so far. I do still find the effects different in notable ways from psychedelics, like I very much perceive cannabis as a different type of drug from a serotonergic psychedelic, it just also seems to me like one part of the effects of cannabis touches upon the same kinds of neural processes that serotonergic psychedelics most famously do, enough that I'm willing to call it "psychedelic" in the more general sense, enough that I feel I can very easily see how in pre-scientific times, if you told me they were the same type of thing, I'd probably be like, "Yeah, sure, makes enough sense." But they're still not identical, and I'm having a lot of fun trying to note the differences as well as similarities in cannabis for me compared to other trips right now.

I do think it's very possible that my mental health issues or something about the reason(s) I have them might be making me more sensitive to this side of cannabis as that seems to be a thing that can happen, but I try not to let that hold me back with respect to exploring cannabis in this way or describing it exactly as how I experience it to others. It's still just how the drug affects me regardless of the reason(s), and I'm certainly not the only person in the world who uses cannabis with mental health issues either. I figure I might as well enjoy it as long as it doesn't seem to be doing me any harm and I'm managing it properly.
 
Took 3 hits of acid the other day and then remembered I had a couple of small but important tasks that needed to be done. That was really interesting trying to remember what space and time was. The whole linear narrative of my life had disappeared except for knowing about this task. It felt like things went from a uniform field of almost nothing (except there was a field of something - space? Yet the space didn't seem to have any dimensions or depth). Then it was like the space became curved, and out of the curvature dimension returned, and with dimension I could find my place within space.

When I got up it was like i was viewing everything through a fish eye lense. My book shelves which are taller than me seemed shorter than my knees, I felt like a giant and my room was so small. Looked in the mirror and my grin was larger than my head. "I don't know if I can go out like this." Looked in the mirror a long time and saw 100s of aspects of my self, my fear, my confidence, masculinity and femininity, etc. Got a call from a friend whose fish pond drained out and needed someone to come help save the fish. Ubered over and had so much fun catching fish with a net.
I had another experience that I found interesting on 30 mg of Δ9-THC orally today.

After my last experience that I wrote about where I saw fireworks that turned into flowers on 50 mg, I realized something that seems to be valid about the trips I've had on oral cannabis recently as well as how they both relate to and oppositely mirror my experiences on salvia. Specifically, it seems like when I do get those little bursts of hallucinations on oral Δ9-THC, they seem to go in a way that I would describe as first developing in an orderly way and then shifting into a sudden disorder that they continuously resolve into as they fade away, and thinking that made me realize that I feel like I could describe my recent salvia experiences in the opposite way, more like I would say that they develop first in a disorderly way, but then shift into a sudden order that they continuously resolve into as they fade away. For oral Δ9-THC, the simple example is the aforementioned hallucination: the hallucination spontaneously arose and developed as firework-like psychedelic geometric hallucinations totally abstract and orderly in design like I would typically expect from 5-HT2A receptor agonists, but when the firework blooms turned into flowers instead, the imagery became highly realistic in design and texture, and it started smearing out of existence in a way that I would relate to the look of smoke chaotically wafting away into the air, very disorderly, more like a dream or a drug I would consider to cause delirium. For salvia, I think the best example that comes to my mind from my recent experiences that I reported on here is there one where the way the trip started is that it felt like a wall of wind suddenly started slamming into me from the right and like I could feel the wind chaotically whipping all around me in random directions, but once I got over the hump of the trip, it felt like the psychic wall in my head the was holding the wind back burst, and then it was more like a dam breaking and the water suddenly comes spilling out, but it was like that water just covered me and submerged me at the bottom of it, where things became increasingly homogeneous and calm, orderly, and also more like a sensation I would associate with psychedelics unlike the very delirious onset.

I've only had a couple more edible experiences since then, 20 mg two days ago and 30 mg today. The first experience wasn't that notable, nor was I expecting it to be, but there was a moment where I noticed that I felt a very slight and vague onset of trippiness, and then suddenly felt the typical 'burst' I feel at the switching point for these experiences, and for just a brief moment I had very light but clear imagery of blades of grass around my peripheral vision. I thought this was interesting given the flowers from the previous experience, I think I might have an idea of what specific type of recurring scenery in my mind's eye this oral cannabis tripping might be reaching into at this switching point, but I need to explore it more before I'm willing to say anything with confidence. Today, on the 30 mg at some point I did get another very light burst of flower imagery, lighter and more transparent than from the 50 mg but notably more dense, but that wasn't the thing that really interested me. At what seemed like the clear peak of this trip to me, I suddenly saw psychedelic geometries of extremely high complexity, although still dim and maybe transparent for a lot of it but nonetheless clear, which looked exactly like those schizophrenic cat paintings by Louis Wain, particularly the ones further down the line.

This is the one in particular that it reminds me of the most I think:

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(My mental health is doing fine, by the way.)

I did completely see a psychedelic geometry just like this, but as usual with these oral Δ9-THC hallucinations for me so far, right afterward the switch happened and suddenly it transformed into a completely realistic and realistically detailed cat face, except that the cat had light pink fur. The cat then pulled away from my face (in my mind's eye, but clearly) and then ran around my field of vision along some asymmetrical spiral image that looked like the spiral was made up of some sort of lime green cloud-like substance with a solid lighter purple backdrop. A moment later the image of the cat sort of collapsed and I realized that the pink fur that the cat had was the exact same fur texture and color as what I described in my previous post about my previous trip on 30 mg, to quote myself: "A few days before this, I had taken 30 mg of Δ9-THC orally and laid on this same bed, and suddenly had one of those bursts of activity with my 'breathing out' effect I noticed, and it kind of felt like my perception of the bed suddenly popped like a bubble, and left in its wake was a new perception of the bed which made it feel like it was all made of a luscious pink fur, which it is nowhere near as comfy as in real life, and I laid there stroking it and rolling my face in it as if it actually was made of that material and it really felt comfortable in the way that I would expect it to if it were."

I find it interesting that it seems like there might be some considerable consistency between my more complex and structured hallucinations on different edible cannabis trips, especially because of how I've been reflecting the effects I get from them off of the effects I get from salvia, which is known to do a similar thing between it own trips and does for me too. I don't want to jump to conclusions and say anything too fast though, it just seemed like an interesting observation so far. I also thought it was neat that the Δ9-THC made me hallucinate a cat as most drugs do not give me vivid hallucination of just regular Earthly animals, although to be fair, the cat was pink.

I think I'm going to try to take a bit of a break from the edibles because I've been using a little bit too much for my liking in general, I don't want to build up a tolerance, but also I've kind of been in vacation mode for a little while and need to start pulling back the partying a little bit in general anyway. I'll happily come back and report more observations when I get around to having them though.


I get some intense psychedelic stuff with cannabis sometimes, but I haven't found a way to reliably replicate it. The only common denominator is having 6 months or more abstinence. Its very rare, only a few times in my life. Once I saw closed eye visuals of someone playing a video game, another time i felt enormous energy pouring in through my limbs, connecting at the heart center and then pouring out through my chest back into the unierse.
 
Took 3 hits of acid the other day and then remembered I had a couple of small but important tasks that needed to be done. That was really interesting trying to remember what space and time was. The whole linear narrative of my life had disappeared except for knowing about this task. It felt like things went from a uniform field of almost nothing (except there was a field of something - space? Yet the space didn't seem to have any dimensions or depth). Then it was like the space became curved, and out of the curvature dimension returned, and with dimension I could find my place within space.

When I got up it was like i was viewing everything through a fish eye lense. My book shelves which are taller than me seemed shorter than my knees, I felt like a giant and my room was so small. Looked in the mirror and my grin was larger than my head. "I don't know if I can go out like this." Looked in the mirror a long time and saw 100s of aspects of my self, my fear, my confidence, masculinity and femininity, etc. Got a call from a friend whose fish pond drained out and needed someone to come help save the fish. Ubered over and had so much fun catching fish with a net.

Having responsibilities to attend to on LSD is a bummer but that sounds fun. I love having size distortion visuals like this, although they don't come often for me.

I get some intense psychedelic stuff with cannabis sometimes, but I haven't found a way to reliably replicate it. The only common denominator is having 6 months or more abstinence. Its very rare, only a few times in my life. Once I saw closed eye visuals of someone playing a video game, another time i felt enormous energy pouring in through my limbs, connecting at the heart center and then pouring out through my chest back into the unierse.

I can relate to both of those things from smoked cannabis. The thing you describe about energy pouring in through your limbs and out through your chest reminds me of an effect I was getting for a first while when I was smoking regularly at the beginning of my relationship with ones of my exes, I was just feeling very energized and bubbly all the time and that seemed to be the way it was mixing with the high, and it was really cool. At the time I described it as feeling like I was like a beacon of energy open to the universe. Video game stuff is also common for me especially if I've been playing games, although sometimes not. Just the other night after I made my last post here I was passing out on the couch while high and had a sudden, very clear and colorful (with light tone colors) hypnagogic-style closed eye visual of a bunch of blocks suddenly and rapidly raining down like Tetris blocks in the late stages of the game, except that instead of making 2D Tetris rows, they were making sideways 3D Jenga towers, like tipped over on their side instead of upright but still in perfect tower shape just sideways, which was pretty nuts when it happened, I really liked it.

The most memorable video game one for me actually was caused by getting really into playing a video game though. I was playing Phantasy Star Online very addictively I think staying up overnight just grinding constantly and in that game when you find a rare item it comes in a red box and it's a big deal, and even though I was playing a new character I was finding lots of red boxes which I imagine was like tons of tiny dopamine hits or something, and when I finally stopped playing the game and went to take a shower, I smoked some cannabis first, and things in the shower got wild.... Suddenly, I started visually clearly hallucinating tons of little rare item red boxes popping up all around me in the shower, with green arrows around them like the cursor for where my character is looking, and then I started clearly hearing the background music from the game and even saw a brief scene drift by of my character running through one of the maps on the wall in front of me, but then it, the music, and the red boxes all just faded away shortly afterward.

Psychedelic experiences from cannabis used to feel like a once-in-a-blue-moon thing for me too, but I used to smoke a lot and I smoked it constantly (that part hasn't changed that much yet). I suspect that part of the reason why the psychedelic experiences became more common for me over time is just because I backed off some, thus lowering my tolerance from where its relative baseline was even though I was still using it every day. I'm not saying that's an easy change to make, I was always just using however much I felt I needed to get to a satisfying high, and maybe that required quantity just got lesser for me over the years for multiple reasons. As it is, I'm actually hoping to cut back significantly even more so as I get more settled into living in my new state, hopefully making all forms of cannabis experiences I have even more psychedelic going forward. I'm really looking forward to having it be that way and hope it is, I kind of just feel like I've already gotten high on cannabis the way I'm used to so intensely so often it just doesn't seem that necessary anymore, but I still really like the highs especially when they are more psychedelic, those are the ones that really still seem worth it to me.

Edibles really do make a big difference for me too though when trying to trip specifically, I can't overstate that. Whatever the reason is, they are genuinely a much stronger hallucinogenic experience for me than smoked or whatever when dosed appropriately. But I really can trip off of any type of Δ9-THC ingestion under the right circumstances too.
 
Has anyone here tried nanoemulsified Δ9-THC edibles? Sometimes labeled something like "fast-acting edibles" specifically, but they're actually a totally different type of science from traditional Δ9-THC edibles. The nanoemulsification process basically makes the Δ9-THC act like it's water-soluble, absorbing rapidly through the mouth, throat, and stomach lining, skipping first-pass metabolism and getting into your bloodstream and brain quickly. A significant consequence of this specific form of absorption is that there is no strong conversion of the THC to 11-OH-THC like there was when you eat normal edibles, and the high feels basically like a smoking high rather than a traditional edible high in both effect and onset and duration.

I find them fascinating but haven't gone too overboard exploring with them yet, but I think I might try switching to them for a while. They completely spare the lungs while still providing a smoking-like high, and unlike other forms of Δ9-THC that provide that type of high, they are precisely dosed like store-bought traditional edibles, so you can know exactly if you're taking 10 mg, 20 mg, 30 mg, etc. I'm thinking I might make a thing of doing a one-to-one comparison between them and traditional edibles at some point for fun and to compare the highs and trips for me.

I've got a bunch of bottles of them being delivered to the house right now so the experimentation will begin soon. :)
 
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