🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[Pfafffed]

Never tried 4-HO-EPT but have tried 4-ACO-EPT twice and enjoyed it. Don't remember the first experience but my last experience I took 15mg or so with some FXE. I was expecting a light trip at that dose but it was rather intense due to the FXE. It was manageable but just had a sense of intensity, especially the first hour or so. The headspace wasn't too heavy, the visuals were nice and colors were extremely bright. I had a pretty fun trip. Went on a walk with my roommate down to the nature trail and we went and picked some flowers. I look forward to trying it again

I could actually see that being a lovely combo. Use the FXE to enhance the dreamy loveliness of the 4-sub while tamping down on the energy and discomfort.

 

[SuperPsych]

I could actually see that being a lovely combo. Use the FXE to enhance the dreamy loveliness of the 4-sub while tamping down on the energy and discomfort.

That's exactly why I've grown to like a dissociative with my psychedelics. I always struggle with body load, and a bad body load during the come up can set the mood for my whole trip.

Now I basically always pre-load with a dissociative when it comes to 4-sub tryptamines. I can still use 2cb, mescaline and LSD without them (although it sure can be interesting to use a dissociative with them), but with 4-sub tryptamines I tend to be able to let go and enjoy them a bit more with something to help the body load

 

[cosmic charlie]

On the way down to south jersey with my girl and sister to spend the night with my Mom. She has outdoor, indoor pools, jacuzzi and sauna where she lives. Its gonna be a real nice day but the traffic is brutal right now, its pretty fucked. We have been in the car for a couple hours already and still got 45mins to go. Have to go see my Mom once in awhile tho you know. After the past week and me almost dying it feels especially important.

 

[Chris Timothy]

Mine would have either been all told-you-so about it, or have tried 'n lay on a guilt trip making it all about her, heh. Empathy shwempathy.

Good idea to keep the functional ones around though.

 

[Chris Timothy]

So I just looked in the mirror and my skin is messed up again. I don't actively monitor my appearance so I'm not entirely sure about the timeline, but the most recent sedated evening involved alcohol. I've noticed this link before, but not at these low (relative to my standards) levels of intake.

I've been already feeling for a while I'm not tolerating alcohol as well I used to. But visual signs of liver impairment remain alarming. Regardless of the precise mechanism, I'm looking at having to quit alcohol altogether, i.e. not just quitting binge drinking.

But what's new is that it could also possibly be a sign of cirrhosis. Even though there's no official link with dissociatives, I can find three clear cases in the literature (plus some speculative ones). I guess it makes sense that it's rare, since the renal system tends to give in first. But the link could very well apply to a pickled liver.

I suppose it's too soon to panic and flee the ketamine space just yet. But if I reduce inflammatory markers by hard-quitting alcohol and maybe going back to keto, yet get messed up skin right after dissociation, I will have to conclude it's killing my liver.

:sadcat:


Edit: on the bright side, cannabis helps for liver diseases. I guess I'll regretfully cut the tolerance break short..

 

[swilow]

Yep, I want to like this one but I think Kaleida and I are on the same page. Its effects are too subtle for the body load at every dose I've tried. It's a shame, because the effects that are there are really nice, but I don't want a mild but pleasant trip if I'm processing a ton of somatic energy

While I doubt it truly is dangerous, it just doesn't feel "right" in my body. I may try a low dose, say 15mg, with something I enjoy more like 4-HO-DPT and see how that goes. I'm only taking 4-HO-EPT as I got it in a sampler pack so maybe it will just sit in my collection. Also have some 5-Br-DMT which I'm curious to sample soon... Any thoughts on that?

My mum gave me 8x25mg baclofen pills. I don't take gabaergics these days basically ever (besides kava once a week or so) because I tend to get kindling wd feels from them, but I must say, a low 15mg dose of a nice stimulant (2-FMA) and 25mg of baclofen went really nicely together. Not something I'd want to do often but I was able to sit comfortably for 5hrs with my synths and computer and get a really nice first 3 mins of a psytrance tune bubbling away.

Haven't taken stims in years and i forgot how empty it feels when they wear off. But 2-FMA had legs to it and seems quite tolerable and useful. I'm thinking it's a once a week thing, if that.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Didnt get much from 5-Br-DMT honestly Swirlow but i tried it once at like 100mgs intranasal during a psychedelic binge so tolerance was at play. Do remember getting some visuals minutes after i snorted it tho. I was going hard on Shrooms for a few days like ate 7 grams total and did Proscaline, MAL and 3C-P all mixed in there with the 5-Br-DMT.

Had some Alprazolam also so i was able to sleep at night, it was a great time tho and i had an afterglow for days when i stopped and got obsessed with this song and listened to it repeatedly, felt like i was truly climbing the mountain.



Ohh and yeah 2-FMA is awesome, best functional stim out there. And i find it sorta fun in higher doses but not as recreational as most amphetamines. It kinda had this ceiling limit in that regard. But its a good drug for sure.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Finally bought the new scooter cuz that old cheaper one i had finally broke for good this week. This one is three times as powerful and goes fast as fuck, 28mph is no joke and im gonna have to be careful when im speeding around town. After getting used to riding one of these im just not beat for walking anymore, especially after working all day when im tired. Excited for my girl to bring it Saturday.

isinwheel X1 Electric Scooter, Peak Power 1000W E-Scooter, 10" Off-Road Tires, 24 Miles Range, 28 Mph Portable Folding Commuter Electric Scooter for Adults, Dual Suspension​

 

[cosmic charlie]

Love dancing down the sidewalk to this

 

[Mjäll]

This forest smells good

So friendly and intimate

 

[swilow]

One thing which is concerning me. When I took 4-HO-EPT, I had a feeling of pressure in my ears, not uncommon for tryptamines ime and reminiscent of DIPT at times but with only minor/maybe-not-present audio effects...Well, the pressure hasn't really gone and has turned into tinnitus. It really peaked yesterday, I felt that high frequencies in general were distinctly masked and there was a bell-like, white noise oscillation matching my heart beat, got worse after the gym, was present during the night but is declining now- it's about half the magnitude that it was yesterday. It's annoying more than anything, but it does feel causally related to the 4-HO-EPT. Hence I will not be taking this substance again!

I don't know much about chemistry or pharmacology but it seems odd (and definitely concerning) to me that this particular tryptamine seems to have so many negative physical sides effects. With very few positives. Of course, i cannot be positive that the chemical is either pure or what im told it is, but its from a very trusted source and the general experiences haven't diverged markedly from other user's.

Oh well, live and learn and its good to be reminded that these drugs have very limited data and despite being as prepared as one can be, it's always an experiment being run on oneself with all the uncertainty thar that entails. I'll stick to my 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-MET from now on. Two lovely molecules, particularly the former which, for me at least, is so psychedelic and deep.

My brain wishes to add bzzzzzzzzzzzzing.

 

[Xorkoth]

Anyone here tried 4-HO-EPT? I took 55mg last night (my 2nd time, first was at 35mg and was subtle but pleasantly stoning) and was surprised at how strong it was. Not too visual, enhanced saturation and a sense of "busyness" and sort of weird gleaming quality to things. Clarity of though, no thought loops but a type of tangential quality the reminded me of weed. Physically, this didn't feel great at all though. Nausea, and strong cardiovascular effects (heart rate high and I could see my vision vibrating in time with it, blood pressure felt high, I was a bit flushed looking) such that I took some propanolol about 1.5hrs in. No anxiety, although body was very tense and the energy wasn't entirely pleasant feeling. Of the 4 sub tryptamines I've taken, this is the first time I've had physical concerns such that I probably won't take at this dose again. Probably the 35mg is enough and it might shine with another psychedelic in combo. But the physical effects concern me. It was over in about 3 hrs or just under.

I read Howl by Alan Ginsberg (notably I hate poetry) and really felt it so deeply. Was getting some really unique and vivid internal imagery from it. I then read my current book "Heads" and had a wonderfully immersive inner sense of it. A great book actually about the history of the psychedelic counter-culture in the USA.

No trouble sleeping and I feel totally fine and normal today. Actually may be a little bit scattered...!

Yeah I have, once. I wrote a trip report. I found it odd, quite a bit of bodyload with little in the way of mental effects, but not really unpleasant, not negative like you're experiencing. Hope it clears up soon

 

[Mjäll]

One thing which is concerning me. When I took 4-HO-EPT, I had a feeling of pressure in my ears, not uncommon for tryptamines ime and reminiscent of DIPT at times but with only minor/maybe-not-present audio effects...Well, the pressure hasn't really gone and has turned into tinnitus. It really peaked yesterday, I felt that high frequencies in general were distinctly masked and there was a bell-like, white noise oscillation matching my heart beat, got worse after the gym, was present during the night but is declining now- it's about half the magnitude that it was yesterday. It's annoying more than anything, but it does feel causally related to the 4-HO-EPT. Hence I will not be taking this substance again!

I don't know much about chemistry or pharmacology but it seems odd (and definitely concerning) to me that this particular tryptamine seems to have so many negative physical sides effects. With very few positives. Of course, i cannot be positive that the chemical is either pure or what im told it is, but its from a very trusted source and the general experiences haven't diverged markedly from other user's.

Oh well, live and learn and its good to be reminded that these drugs have very limited data and despite being as prepared as one can be, it's always an experiment being run on oneself with all the uncertainty thar that entails. I'll stick to my 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-MET from now on. Two lovely molecules, particularly the former which, for me at least, is so psychedelic and deep.

My brain wishes to add bzzzzzzzzzzzzing.

Psychedelics do so much stuff to perspective, emotions, muscular tone, skull pressure. The contrast between temporary bliss and ordinary existence may be jarring and even physically taxing. There are so many little muscles and so many ways to be and feel - especially within our sensory organs. Personally i wouldn't worry about impurities since this is all classical tripping symptoms.

I would take it as a note to do more integration of whatever life changes you may need. No judgment of course, since i don't really know you whatsoever. Maybe you can perfectly discern this from your usual symptoms and then i apologize for the presumption. However, i want to put in a word for the natural explanation here.

Last time i vaped some D i had almost like a river of life force running through my skull towards the sky. I had to ask my partner if i looked 10x more awake than normally. Everything in my head felt like it was churning.

Cardiac symptoms are more alarming, considering the 5HT2B issue. That's not to say you're necessarily in danger just because of feeling the heartbeat, of course.

 

[Chris Timothy]

True. 4-HO-EPT could do all sorts of things. Pulsatile tinnitus could mean all sorts of things.

My own tinnitus has been playing up after a loud, screechy machine passing by outside. High frequencies like that have the highest sound pressure and tend to get stuck in my head, but normally not for more than a day. I hope kratom's kappa-opioid effect didn't mess things up again. And now I have to consider inflammation from potential liver problems too.

I guess I'll give it a week before going into metabolic lockdown.

 

[cosmic charlie]

My girlfriend is making me buy a helmet for the new scooter since its so much more powerful. And im trying to map out a course right now so i wont have to take the buss anymore and ill just tear thru neighborhoods on this thing everyday, bring my charging cords with me and plug up once i get to work.

It got delivered yesterday, but bad luck had struck us and her car broke down. So i will have to take the train up there to NY possibly this weekend to go scoop it up. Didnt wanna have it delivered here cuz sometimes amazon just bounces when they cant get buzzed in the building.

Im gonna get my hands on that thing soon tho, really worried about my girls car that is gonna be a big financial hit if we have to do major repairs, or buy another car. Thankfully we have money saved up. Its really supposed to be for our town house tho.

We are gonna be moving into a place this winter hopefully. Gotta keep the positive vibes flowing, despite the real life stressors

 

[cosmic charlie]

 

[Chris Timothy]

Ordered some ginkgo biloba. I hope that will be enough kappa-opioid antagonism to take away the earache. Importing Naltrexone, which did the trick last time, would take a couple of weeks. So bloody annoyed with this old deeeeeemon rearing its head again..

 

[cosmic charlie]

Thank the gods i dont have tinnitus anymore, there was a period in my youth that Dissos made my ears a rang of angels. But they have quietly gone away it is such a blessing as i love this class of compounds so much.

This flight off the FXE has once again shown me the light, as a pedestrian stumbles to work. Cheers good fellow

 

[swilow]

Cardiac symptoms are more alarming, considering the 5HT2B issue. That's not to say you're necessarily in danger just because of feeling the heartbeat, of course

The cardiac stuff was only a bit concerning during the trip. It eased off about 2 hours after the dose. I just hadn't really experienced that feeling from a psychedelic before and it distracted me from the mental effects.

Anyway, the tinnitus has eased off but now I'm actually just sick with a cold or something, blocked sinuses and nose, etc. Truth be told, the whole thing was probably just a prodrome to that. Still, there are better drugs and I'm going to stick with those.

 

[Kaleida]

@swilow

For what it's worth I'm pretty sure @cosmic charlie took 350 mg of 4-HO-EPT at once one time on top of other psychedelics I think, I want to say including DOC? And was totally fine. I remember reading something about hyperspatial entities and swimming in eternity.

I don't have the kind of tolerance he does but I also explored 4-HO-EPT up to 100 mg orally. I stopped pushing it at that point because the body load became intolerable and the trip still wasn't strong enough to be worth it, but I found it fundamentally similar to taking too much of most other psychedelics in terms of how my body felt. Aggravating, but I didn't perceive it as actually likely being dangerous. That being said, around four years ago @lamanogaucha appeared to experience rhabdomyolysis from taking 120 mg of 4-HO-DPT orally. This is a very serious medical concern that is usually present in the rare but not unheard of fatal psychedelic overdoses, although this particular incident was thankfully non-fatal. This is documented in The Big & Dandy 4-HO-DPT Thread. Having done a decent amount of research into indole psychedelic pharmacology, I personally think that's relatively likely that 4-HO-EPT and 4-HO-DPT have some functional similarities between them that are also relatively more different from the majority of tryptamine derivatives with lesser tail bulk, and I personally wouldn't want to push them too far beyond comfort now especially with this in mind.

I hope you feel better soon regardless.